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The Article

 

Basically, these two football players sexually assaulted an unconscious, took pictures of her, and completely VIOLATED her, and only served TEN MONTHS in prison. In the meantime, the boy who helped expose these crimes is facing up to 10 years in prison for "aggravated internet identity theft".

 

So pretty much, the rapists are the victims, the victim is being shamed, and the hero of sorts is being persecuted. I'm pretty heated -- how about you? What are your thoughts?

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Oh god, the comments (That's all Ima say, read them at your own peril)

Mostly the reason I got mad, really.

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I'm upset about the situation. But I can understand it slightly. Wish the rapists were going longer, and feel bad for the hacker guy. But he did make some pretty strong threats and was breaking the law, so I understand why his sentence could be longer (that stills feels a bit long. I would hope he'd get some form of break for helping an innocent young girl. Pfft, like that ever happens :/)

 

But the comments are a bit much. So many of them are blaming the girl. And most that aren't are glad for the one guy's release. And that's too much

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There's something wrong with the system when a threat and hacking get more jail time than a serious offense (in this case rape) that destroys someone's life.

 

This doesn't surprise me in the least though. The US has a supremely poor track record of keeping the criminals who actually should be in jail for extended periods in there (like murderers).

 

I am disappointed in the US "justice" system for allowing this rapist to be released and having the gall to propose a 10 year sentence for the person who helped expose him.

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Ridiculous. You can tell where the priorities of the lawmakers are at. Apparently the internet is vastly more important than women's safety.

 

EDIT: I'm getting a lot of conflicting evidence that says he hasn't been charged with anything yet, and that what he might be charged with either is or isn't related to the evidence he discovered about the rape.

 

It's still awful that they only got 1 and 2 years even if they are minors. I strongly disagree that a 16 year old somehow isn't old enough to know that rape is wrong while an 18 year old is.

Edited by Syaoransbear

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Their crimes are unrelated, and should not be compared. Anyone who does this, is basically trying to get their agenda across instead of staying neutral.

 

Yes, crimes and their consequences do not always follow rules that are easily understood, especially the time you have to serve in prison. If I murder my neighbour, I might serve only 5 years, if I cheat him out of his house, might serve for life. But that is not the underlying issue here. Comparing crimes is no way to make an argument any more valid. And it derails the actual question, which is: why are there so few consequences all around?

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It's still awful that they only got 1 and 2 years even if they are minors. I strongly disagree that a 16 year old somehow isn't old enough to know that rape is wrong while an 18 year old is.

^This

 

Everyone in the comments was saying how he's just a boy. Clearly he's not or he wouldn't have been able to rape the girl in the first place :/

 

Their crimes are unrelated, and should not be compared. Anyone who does this, is basically trying to get their agenda across instead of staying neutral.

I also have to agree with this

 

However, I do think that the rapists needed to serve longer, and feel that, due to the circumstances of how he was caught, the hacker should get a bit of slack (Though maybe he is getting some slack, IDK what the normal punishment is, so this could be less) Nothing to do with the comparison, I just think both numbers are a bit off

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What really struck me from the article was the quote from the victim's attorney

 

“Although everyone hopes convicted criminals are rehabilitated, it is disheartening that this convicted rapist’s press release does not make a single reference to the victim and her family — whom he and his co-defendant scarred for life. One would expect to see the defendant publicly apologize for all the pain he caused rather than make statements about himself. Rape is about victims, not defendants. Obviously, the people writing his press release have yet to learn this important lesson,”

 

This whole case has been upsetting. From the extreme measures necessary to get the courts to take action at all to the outcry from so many people that they just didn't know any better and now this ridiculously shortened sentence.

 

I think it is important to note that the hacktivist hasn't been indicted yet. We don't know yet whether he will be or whether he'll actually receive a 10-year sentence.

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The crimes may be unrelated/incomparable but there is still something wrong with a system that allows murderers, rapists, and other serious offenders who destroy lives fewer years in prison than a person who, say, illegally downloads a movie.

 

It's still awful that they only got 1 and 2 years even if they are minors. I strongly disagree that a 16 year old somehow isn't old enough to know that rape is wrong while an 18 year old is.

 

I fully agree.

 

If someone doesn't know that rape is wrong by the age of 16 there is something wrong that needs to be addressed, starting with how they were raised. A 16 year old is plenty old enough to know what's right and wrong. Whether they're minors or not they should have been given much longer sentences.

 

why are there so few consequences all around?

 

Because the justice system allows for deals to be made for lower prison sentences (which is flat out stupid) and appeals to be made. And for some reason prisons let out on "good behaviour" which is equally stupid. Criminals should serve their full prison sentences.

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So angry. Can't even. As if it wasn't bad enough, giving them both *such* a short sentence -- but to let him off early! Yes, I want them to have a chance to move on with their lives, but I also want there to be justice served, so the victim and her family can heal. I would hope, too, that the young men would be rehabilitated in some significant way that could be reported to the public -- that they underwent psychological counseling for the duration of their stay, that they, oh... can actually address the reality of what they did? And that it was in no way, shape, or form okay, and they have created damage which will never be undone?

 

BAH!

Edited by Kelkelen

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I was appalled by the SYMPATHY of the general public -- not towards the young woman, but the perpetrators. Addressing it as losing two wonderful athletes rather than persecuting two rapists...

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I was appalled by the SYMPATHY of the general public -- not towards the young woman, but the perpetrators. Addressing it as losing two wonderful athletes rather than persecuting two rapists...

This, this upsets me more than anything else. I just can't.. The girl was the victim, not the rapists

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*looks at the comments* Ugh, I hate it when people use age as an excuse! A 16-year-old should be able to know that rape is wrong and because of that knowledge, these two boys should be charged as adults and be given a longer sentence for permanently scaring a girl for life. What's worse, the hero has been put in jail longer than these scums and the Facebook people are blaming the victim! This is one of the reasons why victim refuse to report rape crimes. And I'm also angry at the fact that these rapists won't have their names up in the public records. People, stop going easy on the juveniles, because they'll never learn their lesson if you do!

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I think that a society that so heavily promotes young male sportsmen to be idolized heavily, and who at age 18 could play in a major league and earn millions, will always have that kind of problem. Especially in football, they are expected to be the tough, mean, fighting machines, and honestly: you can't have that attitude only on the field for 3 hours a week.

 

about the sentences/comparison of both: you should NOT compare the actual sentence received to a theoretical maximum. The theoretical maximum for rape is for sure somewhere around 10 years (i am no lawyer for the us). But law has to have varying degrees of punishment, and this is where other factors come in:

  • first time offender?
  • pleaded guilty?
  • other circumstances that soften the punishment (like drug abuse... even if i dont like that excuse...)
  • age of the criminal
All of that went probably in their favour. If you don't want to take that as a reason personally, that's your prerogative, but what would you do to a repeat offender, someone who was not a minor and pleaded "not guilty"? death penalty? well. not much justice there, then.

 

now compare that to the hacker: probably repeat offender, combine that with the threats he made, and additional identity theft, and you got a triple charge easily.

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That's the US justice system for ya dry.gif

 

Those comments... They're happily welcoming home a rapist? Wow. There's something wrong with that...

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I live just a county away from where this took place and have followed the entire thing. It absolutely SICKENS me that one of them were released for any reason after what they did. If anyone has seen any of the videos that the football players made after the rape, saying that the victim was "dead" while making jokes about it. They may have been drunk, but they still believe the girl was actually dead at the time, and in my opinion, that alone should have made the punishment even harsher. They didn't even attempt to call help when they thought she was dead!!

 

And the fact that their were adults that knew about this and didn't react? The legal system in this area is a complete joke! I'm ashamed to live in an area where rapists can be freed after something like this!!

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I live just a county away from where this took place and have followed the entire thing. It absolutely SICKENS me that one of them were released for any reason after what they did. If anyone has seen any of the videos that the football players made after the rape, saying that the victim was "dead" while making jokes about it. They may have been drunk, but they still believe the girl was actually dead at the time, and in my opinion, that alone should have made the punishment even harsher. They didn't even attempt to call help when they thought she was dead!!

 

And the fact that their were adults that knew about this and didn't react? The legal system in this area is a complete joke! I'm ashamed to live in an area where rapists can be freed after something like this!!

I've just seen it now. I felt like I had to face the reality of the whole thing; things this bad do happen in the world. And they shouldn't go ignored.

 

They knew, they absolutely *knew* it was rape. They joked about it for 12 minutes straight. I can't believe NO one stepped in, picked her up, and got her to a hospital. So disappointed in and furious with all of them.

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I think that a society that so heavily promotes young male sportsmen to be idolized heavily, and who at age 18 could play in a major league and earn millions, will always have that kind of problem.  Especially in football, they are expected to be the tough, mean, fighting machines, and honestly: you can't have that attitude only on the field for 3 hours a week.

 

I definitely, definitely agree with this.

 

I understand that sports are an important part of our culture, but the fact that we idolize athletes to such an extent...ehhh. It perpetuates this attitude of brawn being more attractive than brain.

 

EDIT: Reading comment on a CNN article about the incident...now I've seen people excusing their bad judgment due to intoxication.

 

So next time someone is killed by a drunk driver, I'll remind them that the driver was drunk, so it's not really their fault.

Edited by Lila

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Their crimes are unrelated, and should not be compared. Anyone who does this, is basically trying to get their agenda across instead of staying neutral.

I don't agree with you often, but in this case I do. Completely.

 

Predictably enough, I don't quite agree with the rest of your post, or rather, I don't think there are too few consequences happy.gif

 

To me, putting someone in prison is a completely inadequate reaction. It's a form of impotent rage that does nothing to solve any problem. It's like the national conscience is collectively repressing their problems by closing the door after them. And many people, as is evident in this thread, want to throw away the key on top of it.

 

I'll readily admit, I haven't got a better idea. If I had, I'd probably be writing my habilitation treatise right now.

 

I can only really speak for the German legal system. And one thing I like about it, is that it concentrates on the offender, not on the victim when deciding on a consequence.

 

Judicature must not be a tool for revenge on behalf of the victim.

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Because the justice system allows for deals to be made for lower prison sentences (which is flat out stupid) and appeals to be made. And for some reason prisons let out on "good behaviour" which is equally stupid. Criminals should serve their full prison sentences.

Which ultimately comes down to:

 

Because the prisons and jails are horribly overcrowded, it costs a ton of money to keep prisoners fat and happy, and-- of course-- politics.

 

To me, putting someone in prison is a completely inadequate reaction. It's a form of impotent rage that does nothing to solve any problem.

Keeps them from preying upon the public for a little while. =o

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I'm going to say my piece then get out of this thread for a few hours, because heck the thought of this does not put me in a good mood, and I tend to stick my foot in my mouth more often than not when my mood is bad.

 

These guys deserved the maximum punishment, they raped her for several hours, joked about it, dragged her around to other houses while she was unconcous, raped her in more than one place on her body, and video taped her.

 

So all in all...

1. They raped her that deserves a sentence

2. They dragged her to other houses when she could not consent, I'd say someone should slap them with a kidnapping charge

3. They video taped her without her consent, and at the time she was a minor, child pornography anyone?

4. Not really a legal charge but this is what happens with RAPE CULTURE. The victims get smacked and after less than a year the rapists('victims of their own desires' rolleyes.gif ) go free.

 

 

Really and America wonders why people are not reporting rape?

Edited by brairtrainer

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It's very sad that this country has such a sickening mentality, that the victim is at fault, and the rapist gets the sympathy. And even in non high profile rape cases it's because of rape culture that most rapists get little punishment if any at all. When I was molested and almost raped my mom and her friend had talked and told me it would be best not to report it to the police. All the case would do is drag me through the mud and cause me even more emotional stress since a lack of evidence means it would be my word against his and he wouldn't be convicted, or he would only get a short sentence since it didn't go the way he wanted.

 

Though because of the excuse he used to come into my room while I was half asleep his email was left open on my laptop so my mom was able to warn other women he was using about him. We also reported him to christian mingle since that's where he and my mom met.

Edited by Cecona

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Sorry for not coming back to this thread to reply. I had other stuff going on.

 

I think that a society that so heavily promotes young male sportsmen to be idolized heavily, and who at age 18 could play in a major league and earn millions, will always have that kind of problem.  Especially in football, they are expected to be the tough, mean, fighting machines, and honestly: you can't have that attitude only on the field for 3 hours a week.

 

And that makes me hate football even more.

 

about the sentences/comparison of both: you should NOT compare the actual sentence received to a theoretical maximum. The theoretical maximum for rape is for sure somewhere around 10 years (i am no lawyer for the us). But law has to have varying degrees of punishment, and this is where other factors come in:

 

first time offender?

 

pleaded guilty?

 

other circumstances that soften the punishment (like drug abuse... even if i dont like that excuse...)

 

age of the criminal

 

All of that went probably in their favour. If you don't want to take that as a reason personally, that's your prerogative, but what would you do to a repeat offender, someone who was not a minor and pleaded "not guilty"? death penalty? well. not much justice there, then.

 

I personally think those 4 factors (including drug abuse, but excluding some of the other circumstances like self-defense or killing to save someone's life) are BS, because the victim and her loved ones' lives are ruined with the traumatic memories stuck in their world forever and no amount of temporary jail time is ever going to fix that. And also, I do believe that repeat offenders should be given the death penalty or locked away forever with no parole so that they won't hurt anyone again. You might call it injustice, but I think see it as good.

 

 

And Cecona, I'm sorry you went through that.

Edited by Red Dragonette

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Sad thing is I live in the state this happened in. :/ Now these jerks are out and free. They shouldn't be walking the streets at all. If they have that much of a sick personality they need locked up permanently. One time is TO many times.

 

The hacker should be given a freaking award for this and a job to help with this sort of thing not punished because he helped a woman get justice. Twisted freaking world. Victims get shamed and no help yet the attackers get all the help they can get to get out of trouble.

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