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After seeing Fiona's example above, I was expecting a rainbow Copper from this pairing. Confused now! o_0

I thought the mother determined the colour of the copper child so doesn't this make sense?

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I thought the mother determined the colour of the copper child so doesn't this make sense?

Only if the mother is CB. If the mother is a bred Copper, it's the father's colour, like here.

 

But maybe it's not a certainty after all, and the rules only point out the most likely outcome, not the certain outcome? Or Amazon_warrior's example is a glitch...

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I wonder if TJ coded it so that the outcome is 50/50 if both parents are biome-less (bred) Coppers of different colours? Which I wouldn't mind, tbh! xd.png I've come up with a sort of plan to do an EG "Copper Alloy" lineage of random Coppers x other metals - just breeding, seeing what comes out, letting everything gender randomly where possible, and then breeding some more. I think the mixture of Gold, Silver, Shimmer(s?) and assorted colours of Copper could look quite interesting.

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does this track what biomes the metals come from..?

 

my green copper x female gold pair has only produced brown coppers.. progeny

 

and i recently traded for this: green from the same kind of pair

 

so i guess i'll have to start breeding my green copper with my other CB gold and see what that does :s

Yes, it does. A pre-Biome Gold or Silver female bred with a male Copper will give a Copper of the male's colour, but a Gold or Silver female caught in a Biome will produce a Copper of that Biome's colour. E.g., I caught this Gold in the Coast, so she will always breed green Coppers regardless of the colour of her Copper mate.

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  • Biome of egg

  • Biome of mother

  • Breed of male copper parent

  • Breed of female copper parent

  • Random (should never happen)

 

Ok, here is exactly what the rules are regarding breeding coppers. This is directly from TJ. As far as I know, bred dragons do not have biomes, nor do dragons stolen before biomes were implemented, nor prize dragons.

 

So, as you can see, random should never happen. I paraphrased this earlier, but here is the direct quote. So color of copper eggs is determined first what biome the egg is picked up in for CB, then the biome of the mother if the egg is bred, then if she has no biome, it's the breed (color) of the copper father, then it's the breed of the copper mother.

 

So, I don't know why Amazon's was green.

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Biome of egg

 

Biome of mother

 

Breed of male copper parent

 

Breed of female copper parent

 

Random (should never happen)

 

Ok, here is exactly what the rules are regarding breeding coppers. This is directly from TJ. As far as I know, bred dragons do not have biomes, nor do dragons stolen before biomes were implemented, nor prize dragons.

 

So, as you can see, random should never happen. I paraphrased this earlier, but here is the direct quote. So color of copper eggs is determined first what biome the egg is picked up in for CB, then the biome of the mother if the egg is bred, then if she has no biome, it's the breed (color) of the copper father, then it's the breed of the copper mother.

 

So, I don't know why Amazon's was green.

Stranger and stranger! I'll have to breed them again next week and see what happens. *snugs quirky little Copper eggie*

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So I've been following this thread for a while to get a clear set of rules for the Coppers' breeding, and thanks Fiona for the following post. But I do have one question.

 

Ok, the rules governing what color your copper egg will be are pretty simple.

 

1. CB egg color is determined by what biome it was picked up in.

2. A bred egg will take it's color from the biome of the mother if the mother's biome is other than "none."

3. If the biome of the mother is "none" (like bred mothers, or pre-biome mothers and prizes) then the breed of the copper father will determine the color.

4. If none of the above are true, then it will be the breed of the copper mother.

What does "If none of the above are true" mean? The mother either has a biome or doesn't...so what cases does #4 refer to?

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So I've been following this thread for a while to get a clear set of rules for the Coppers' breeding, and thanks Fiona for the following post. But I do have one question.

 

 

What does "If none of the above are true" mean? The mother either has a biome or doesn't...so what cases does #4 refer to?

The mother's biome is none and the father is not a copper but the mother is, so the copper egg will be the color of the mom.

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Thanks Shadowdrake. Somehow my mind considered that a given but it's indeed a different category the way breeding is set up.

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Ok, the rules governing what color your copper egg will be are pretty simple.

 

1. CB egg color is determined by what biome it was picked up in.

2. A bred egg will take it's color from the biome of the mother if the mother's biome is other than "none."

3. If the biome of the mother is "none" (like bred mothers, or pre-biome mothers and prizes) then the breed of the copper father will determine the color.

4. If none of the above are true, then it will be the breed of the copper mother.

And yet I'm somewhat confused.

 

So please help me see where I'm lost on this....

 

If it's CB, this its breed is dependent upon its own biome.

If the mother is CB, then the breed is dependent upon the biome of its mother.

If the mother is NOT CB and it is a 3rd gen or more from either side (because both parents are bred), then the breed is dependent first on the father's breed if he is a copper and then on the mother's breed if she is a copper.

 

Where I get lost is if the mother is CB but not a copper, if a copper egg is produced, will the breed of the egg still depend on the biome of the mother or of the copper father?

Edited by Grandmother_cathie

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If the mother is cb but not copper the breed of the egg will be based on the mother's biome, if she has one.

 

If she has no biome then the egg's breed will be the same as the copper father.

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bred 5 Coppers so far.

 

Red x Flamingo - refusal.

 

Red x Red - Red Copper

 

Brown x Brown - Brown Copper

 

Brown x Albino - Red Copper (APd egg)

 

Green x Tsunami - http://dragcave.net/lineage/qjw4S wub.gif influenced Male to start a pretty spiral

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So wait....if the rule is that color of father comes first if the egg is not CB and both parents are bred, how did this egg end up brown? I had a little plan laid out for my coppers but looks like it won't work. sad.gif

Edited by Kizzikins

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We're not sure here. By the rules TJ set out that egg should have been rainbow, but it's not the first example we have the didn't appear to follow the rule. Yet, we have other examples of 3rd gen coppers from 2 2nd gen coppers that were the color of the father as expected. TJ said random should never occur, but that's what it looks like we're getting in the case of 3rd gens (or higher?) from 2 copper parents.

 

We'll just have to keep trying it, and see what happens.

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@red2111: Green x Tsunami - http://dragcave.net/lineage/qjw4S influenced Male to start a pretty spiral

 

that's not a tsunami, it's a blusang. going to be really hard to continue unless you're one of those that can catch blusangs when people like me can't even see them in the cave.

 

It really is very pretty though.

 

Windy and Kizzikins seem to have bred the same lineage, but Windy's egg is red, while Kizzikins's is brown.

 

Correct me if that's wrong, because I have a terrible time telling red from brown as dragons, I don't know why. I'd like to blame it on my screen properties rolleyes.gif and not on my eyesight.

 

I haven't seen TJ's "rules" about this, but I would have assumed that as with any bred dragons, you could get either/or if the parents are different.

 

Which, if I am seeing those 2 lineages properly, would fit the results of those breedings.

 

EDIT: I scrolled up to read some more, and did find the "rules". It still makes more sense to me that it would follow the example of all the other breeds, but that's just an opinion. This is all very confusing!

 

I don't have plans to breed, myself, because I can't even see any in the cave, never mind catch any, and I don't like inbreeding. which pretty much limits what I can do. I do enjoy seeing everyone else's experiments, though. They are wonderful!

Edited by daba555

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Biome of egg

 

Biome of mother

 

Breed of male copper parent

 

Breed of female copper parent

 

Random (should never happen)

 

Ok, here is exactly what the rules are regarding breeding coppers. This is directly from TJ. As far as I know, bred dragons do not have biomes, nor do dragons stolen before biomes were implemented, nor prize dragons.

 

So, as you can see, random should never happen. I paraphrased this earlier, but here is the direct quote. So color of copper eggs is determined first what biome the egg is picked up in for CB, then the biome of the mother if the egg is bred, then if she has no biome, it's the breed (color) of the copper father, then it's the breed of the copper mother.

 

So, I don't know why Amazon's was green.

daba555, the "rules" were quoted just a few posts earlier.

 

They're worth repeating though. As you can see, he says random should never happen. Yet, how do we explain the experience of two pairings that are the same having different results?

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Very strange. I'll just have to try again next week and see what I get...

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I made a good choice with this breeding. wub.gif

Gorgeous swallowtail x green copper.

I'm stealing that combo idea from you! xd.png I seriously love Swallowtails, and that's gorgeous.

 

EDIT: See? I bred my own. tongue.gif

Edited by Dimar

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Ok, here is exactly what the rules are regarding breeding coppers. This is directly from TJ. As far as I know, bred dragons do not have biomes, nor do dragons stolen before biomes were implemented, nor prize dragons.

 

So, as you can see, random should never happen. I paraphrased this earlier, but here is the direct quote. So color of copper eggs is determined first what biome the egg is picked up in for CB, then the biome of the mother if the egg is bred, then if she has no biome, it's the breed (color) of the copper father, then it's the breed of the copper mother.

 

So, I don't know why Amazon's was green.

daba555, the "rules" were quoted just a few posts earlier.

 

They're worth repeating though. As you can see, he says random should never happen. Yet, how do we explain the experience of two pairings that are the same having different results?

Fiona, thank you for the information. I did edit my post almost immediately to mention I did find those rules, I hadn't read up far enough.

 

Yes, I suppose there is no explanation, unless it's a coding glitch.

 

But I prefer to think that the dragons are simply thumbing their noses at TJ and saying "Sez you".

 

Very interesting dragons you've made smile.gif

 

 

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I wonder if TJ coded it so that the outcome is 50/50 if both parents are biome-less (bred) Coppers of different colours? Which I wouldn't mind, tbh! xd.png I've come up with a sort of plan to do an EG "Copper Alloy" lineage of random Coppers x other metals - just breeding, seeing what comes out, letting everything gender randomly where possible, and then breeding some more. I think the mixture of Gold, Silver, Shimmer(s?) and assorted colours of Copper could look quite interesting.

I bet that'll look amazing when it's done. I really like the mix of colors that you've got going so far. c: Coppers are really neat because they have such a different blend of colors than any of the other dragons in the cave. It's too bad that they're so uncommon right now because there are loads of unique and beautiful lineages that could be done with them.

 

Personally, I'd like to do Green Copper x Guardian, but that's my only pair at the moment. I have a couple more old Guardians I can use, but I'm fresh out of Green Coppers.

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