Change description/look of dead eggs from biting

[Amaterasu-sama]

First of all, I tried to search for related topic but found none - if this is a duplicate, sorry and please delete. Secondly, it's my first time making a suggestion and I haven't been active long in forum, please be polite if you're against the suggestion. >_<

 

 

This is in support of Vampires and all those people who love this particular breed. I'd like to suggest clearly distinguishing the description/look of eggs that died or killed by vampires during the process of turning from the ones that are killed purposely by scroll owner using kill action. As it stands now, you can't tell apart if a person with bunch of dead dragons is just a careless owner or kills eggs for kicks or was genuinely trying to make a vampire and failed. Before we go off and "BOOO!! EGG KILLER" we must think about all those people who are willing to turn vampires solely for the purpose of gifting/donating/sending to AP for others. I know others may disagree, but for the small time I've been here, I've at least come to understand the having dead things on someone's scroll are frowned upon by many, irrespective of if they are bite fails or not. This makes a lot of people reluctant to use vampire BSA even if they want to. I m personally also very uncomfortable with having a bite fail egg sharing description with a KILLED egg. I've never used a kill action on an egg. But if an egg failed to return as vampire during turning, however unfortunate it is, that WAS NOT my intention behind using the BSA.(though some people may use bite to kill eggs only, my point is that this is not why the BSA was made.) Even as vampire owner I understand the risks involved, I wasn't using bite to kill eggs, so it's kind of hard to be lumped together in one group. Biting is a natural way of reproducing for vampires, and owners of these beautiful vampires shouldn't have to be penalized in any way for reproducing their dragons just as they would reproduce any other breed. I personally have some original CB vampires also that were directly caught from cave, and many people like to have a bittern vampire from them, so I've bitten for many which results in having an ugly scroll AND ineligibility to join majority of giveaways, which I don't mind, what I do dislike is my scroll looking like I'm randomly catching and killing eggs out of some sadist mentality, so something to clearly distinguish would be nice. I'm sure there are people out there, specially in vampire loving community who may agree with me.

 

By "I" in my post, I speak for all people who use Bite BSAs and have/had similar conflicts.

 

Reasons why I think biting is NOT same as regular killing action:

- Killing is only one possible outcome of biting, the worst one at that. Nevertheless, it is not the intended result of the BSA, it is one of the side-effects/failure.

- The description clearly says this is how vampires reproduce. It's in the nature created in DC universe that not all eggs will be strong enough to survive venom, there is no other way to reproduce them.

EDIT: I stand corrected about the kill slots. Thanks SockPuppet Strangler

 

possible changes:

dead egg that didn't survive bite could have some description like:

"Your vampire injects venom inside egg in attempt to turn it, but unfortunately the baby doesn't survive."

 

- or anything that basically isn't generic kill/dead message. It should say something about vampires and the process of biting. The dead egg shell can be plain/muddy brown in color (something like neglected, just green replaced with brown) - something that shows egg was attempted to be turned but died so it didn't fully take a vampire egg's form/color.

 

 

Again, I'm sorry if this doesn't float everyone's boat but I just wanted to put my thoughts across. Thanks for reading and considering.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Amaterasu-sama

[Pokemonfan13]

"This dead egg has a bite mark"?

 

Support.

 

 

The dead egg message you gave doesn't seem like a dead egg message, but a different action fail result message. A dead egg message should talk about the egg and the evidence left by the vampire.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Pokemonfan13

[Isuzu]

"This dead egg has a bite mark"?

 

Support.

 

I agree with PF13, the one you suggested sound a bit too much like a rewording of the failed Bite message we currently have, but this one sounds really nice.

 

*looks at the two failed Bites on scroll* I'd definitely support something like this

Edited January 21, 2013 by Isuzu

[terradi]

I support this idea. I have two dead eggs on my scroll right now from failed vampire bites. My vampires seem to kill more often than anything else by a lot.

 

Given how many contests seem to disqualify anyone with a dead egg, being able to point to the description as proof that someone was trying to bite an egg, not just killed or neglected an egg to death would be nice.

 

A description like:

 

"This egg has been killed. Upon close inspection, you see a set of fang marks on the shell of this egg, as if someone (or something) tried to bite it."

 

Would be lovely.

[Ember_Silverly]

"This egg has been killed. Upon close inspection, you see a set of fang marks on the shell of this egg, as if someone (or something) tried to bite it."

 

This one is lovely. P13's is good too, but I think I like this one a bit more.

[Spelunker]

+Support

 

I really dislike not being able to be on the gifting service lists, like TGT, because I want more vamps.

[fainewebbe]

Another support. I'd love to see this idea implemented.

[tridymite]

I am IN.

 

I hate so much when eggs die when bitten. But it should be different from a killed egg message!

[Pokemonfan13]

I think succinct is better for the message, since all the other dead egg messages are very short. Anything more than 7 words or so is going to look out of place.

 

Another option, based on the current "killed" message:

Unfortunately, your egg has been killed by a vampire.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Pokemonfan13

[fainewebbe]

Another option, based on the current "killed" message:

Unfortunately, your egg has been killed by a vampire.

 

I think that's perfect. It's succinct and goes with the other kill message.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I think succinct is better for the message, since all the other dead egg messages are very short. Anything more than 7 words or so is going to look out of place.

 

Another option, based on the current "killed" message:

Unfortunately, your egg has been killed by a vampire.

I very much like this one! It'd be nice if there was a slightly different dead egg sprite, too (perhaps just adding in two deep bite marks with cracks coming out of them?).

[purplehaze]

Another option, based on the current "killed" message:

Unfortunately, your egg has been killed by a vampire.

I really like that and would support the change. I might even go back to occasionally trying for vampire eggs if this were done. My vamps are real killers and I hate having it look like I have been deliberately killing eggs.

[TheGrox]

I would support this, as long as it's a short succinct message. =)

Edited January 21, 2013 by TheGrox

[panic siren]

I support this.

 

As a gifter and a biter - I would appreciate this change. To be able to distinguish what is on the scrolls of others when I gift, and so others can see that dead eggs on *my* scroll mean...ahem, attempts.

[Sir Barton]

This has my support. It would be wonderful to have a clear identifier of a failed bite.

[SolarCat]

I think succinct is better for the message, since all the other dead egg messages are very short. Anything more than 7 words or so is going to look out of place.

 

Another option, based on the current "killed" message:

Unfortunately, your egg has been killed by a vampire.

I am 100% in favor of this change.

[purpledragonclaw]

I think succinct is better for the message, since all the other dead egg messages are very short. Anything more than 7 words or so is going to look out of place.

 

Another option, based on the current "killed" message:

Unfortunately, your egg has been killed by a vampire.

I like this message too, and seeing it would make me more inclined to try for Vampires.

[Obscure_Trash]

- Your kill slots are unaffected by eggs that die during turning as far as I can tell. (I used bite, the attempt failed and egg died, still I had same kill slots left as before).

 

It does take a kill slot. I just tested (sent two vamps to the AP before I finally got a kill, lol). Went from five to four slots. Were you already at your max kill slots used? Even if you're at 0, the number won't change, but the action still counts as a kill and will slow down your kill slots returning. You can bite and earthquake as much as you want, but you won't gain back those as a kill slot until time's up.

 

- Killing is only one possible outcome of biting, the worst one at that. Nevertheless, it is not the intended result of the BSA, it is one of the side-effects/failure.

- The description clearly says this is how vampires reproduce. It's in the nature created in DC universe that not all eggs will be strong enough to survive venom, there is no other way to reproduce them.

 

But a side effect of this reproduction is possible death, so...

 

The description also mention that their venom kills. A better argument would probably be that the hatchling inside the egg dies even if we don't get a cracked egg and since that doesn't take a kill slot, neither should the egg dying.

"Vampire dragons can only reproduce by changing the eggs of other dragons, puncturing the shell with their fangs and injecting venom that kills the baby inside."

 

~

 

I'll be the voice of dissent and say I don't see a reason for this. A kill is a kill. There isn't a different level of morality of the killing of pixels and there's no need to be. You know when you use kill, earthquake, or bite a dragon could die. If gifting threads are set up to protect eggs from facing these actions, I don't see how a different message for vamp kills is going to change anything, tbh. Not all vamp kills are as altruistic as unshelfishly biting in order to gift. I've used kill in hopes that a dragon will transform and bounce so that I can get rid of a misclick more quickly and I'm being impatient. Yes, I've bit to spread the love or to gift but it's not like it's a completely altruistic action all the time. =p Killing is a risk you accept when you use the vampire bite action.

 

Nonetheless, you may find interest in this thread: http://forums.dragcave.net/index.php?showtopic=130570

[Dragonhatchling]

I support this.

 

I know for a fact that trading dragons makes it harder to do when you have vampire dead eggs on your scroll. Even if you have vampires people still like to think that you just kill eggs for the fun of it and are not trying to get more vampires for any reason what so ever. I think a little clarification is justified to those (like me) who bite eggs and still like to trade dragons.

[rubyshoes]

I support this as well.

[Ivyeth]

Hey! It's great idea, I really support it ;3

We could make bitten eggs look different, for example adding blood to egg that died this way.

If this egg dies from bite:

it could look like this:

or add more blood :

 

I'm not good at this, sorry

 

But its just my imagination. Great idea, Amaterasu-sama ;3

 

@ edit: I know it still looks dead, but egg dies if bite action don't go well. I think they just should look different.

 

*sorry for my bad language*

Edited January 21, 2013 by Ivyeth

[siliconrose]

I think it'd be great to make vampire killed eggs distinguishable from eggs which died by neglect or killing.

[Pokemonfan13]

I'll be the voice of dissent and say I don't see a reason for this. A kill is a kill. There isn't a different level of morality of the killing of pixels and there's no need to be. You know when you use kill, earthquake, or bite a dragon could die. If gifting threads are set up to protect eggs from facing these actions, I don't see how a different message for vamp kills is going to change anything, tbh. Not all vamp kills are as altruistic as unshelfishly biting in order to gift. I've used kill in hopes that a dragon will transform and bounce so that I can get rid of a misclick more quickly and I'm being impatient. Yes, I've bit to spread the love or to gift but it's not like it's a completely altruistic action all the time. =p Killing is a risk you accept when you use the vampire bite action.

 

Nonetheless, you may find interest in this thread: http://forums.dragcave.net/index.php?showtopic=130570

Even if the goal isn't "noble" (biting to abandon/gift) a vampire kill is still very different from any other action that results in the "killed" message, or anything else that results in a dead egg.

 

There is:

• Neglect. There is the kind where you try to get the dragon, which is most like the bite action because hopefully the person chooses "trash" eggs to do it with. There is also forgetting about your scroll for long enough for your eggs/hatchlings to die or not knowing how to raise your eggs and not getting them enough views. Both of the latter ones are very bad for gifting lists and can't be told from the former.
• Sickness. Similar to neglect, since it means the person didn't know how to raise their dragons or wasn't attentive enough to catch the sickness early. The only time it is "innocent" is when the person is attacked by a viewbomber.
• Kill. Never a good thing for gifting lists for obvious reasons.
• Earthquake. Similar to kill but worse since it is indiscriminate.
• Vampire. You carefully choose the egg to bite, most often it would be a CB caveblocker or a "fail" from a good lineage [say a dork gold stairstep where the egg turned out white, breaking the form of the lineage, or a tinsel fail]. Nothing that would be missed if killed, but would make a nice vampire. If vampires can be told apart from kill and earthquake dead eggs the lists might make an exception for them.

The main point of the suggestion is that gifting lists, if the dead eggs are of the "responsible" vampire biting kind [stuff that has no value], could exclude vampire killed eggs from their restrictions if they can be told apart from the other death methods that result in the "killed" message. After all, anyone who has vampires and wants on a gifting list that excludes people with dead eggs can't use their vampires at all.

 

 

 

Edit: I would also support giving vampire killed eggs a different dead egg sprite, or at least a modification of the current one.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Pokemonfan13

[CatCreature]

+Support

 

I really dislike not being able to be on the gifting service lists, like TGT, because I want more vamps.

I don't think the TGT is going to change the rule about dead things on listers' scrolls, if this change becomes reality. ^^' I think it's there not only to keep people from killing random eggs but also to keep people from biting gifts by mistake. (I think we had cases like that but don't quote me on that, I would make a fortune if I could turn my memory into non-stick cookware. >.<)

 

But as the owner of the VAC thread I would really like this. It's sometimes hard to tell if I can add someone to that list or not.

[Ashes The Second]

+Support

 

I really dislike not being able to be on the gifting service lists, like TGT, because I want more vamps.

This, I support.

 

I never liked that you were so restricted.