Accessibility Option for Eggs

[Fuzzbucket]

Okay, so since there seems to be a bit of argueing about this option, I decided to work up an example;

 

 

EE = Example egg.

 

There. No art being used. Big letters on eggs for the colourblind and the blind all in one. That is the idea artists support because it doesn't stuff up our art.

And that was why this was what I suggested way back up the thread.

 

Does anything work with a screen reader at the moment ?

[Princess Artemis]

@ Thuban, screen readers use several things, including alt-text. That is why the alt attribute exists.

LinkGraphic slash iaZe.gif seven days leftLinkGraphic slash APsu.gif seven days leftLinkGraphic slash puOsix .gif seven days leftLinkGraphic slash Pcpi.png seven days leftLinkGraphic slash ifour hundred seventy-six .gif seven days leftLinkGraphic slash uSnine X.gif seven days leftLinkGraphic slash mmiW.png seven days left

 

These are a few AP eggs to a screen reader. If the proposed accessibility for color-blind people translates into something a screen reader would read, then the proposed two letter overlay would probably come up sounding like "LinkGraphicEE seven days left LinkGraphicEE" (EE being example egg), which would make the links much more meaningful. As they would for the color-blind, such letters would give people who use screen readers a chance to learn them as fully sighted people had to do with egg colors and designs. It's a cool idea which I think wouldn't be hard to extend a little to include more players who would use it.

 

@ fuzz, yes, the main cave works with a screen reader, which ought to make moot any argument that accessibility will enable cheaters. If that's what makes it possible to cheat, they can already and in worse ways than scraping the AP for inbred Golds. There are other aspects of the cave that don't work with screen readers, but the AP being as it is is a big obstacle...as we can see by this suggestion to make it more accessible to people who are color-blind and how many people understand there is a need for it : )

 

Anyhow, that's all I have to say about that. This is a good idea and I hope, if it is implemented, it is implemented in a way that works with screen readers.

[stogucheme]

Whoever replied to my 'Um' post: it may be easy to click the egg to figure out what it is, but there are 2 reasons to make it scroll-wide:

1. It's still easier to be able to look at the acronym to tell.

2. I think it's easier to code a scroll-wide thing rather than just an AP thing.

 

Okay, so since there seems to be a bit of argueing about this option, I decided to work up an example;

 

 

EE = Example egg.

 

There. No art being used. Big letters on eggs for the colourblind and the blind all in one. That is the idea artists support because it doesn't stuff up our art.

I definitely support this option. Out of all four, I think this is the best.

 

T.J. probably won't add anything that scripters can use to cheat, so the totally blind would be kinda screwed...

[Nectaris]

Whoever replied to my 'Um' post: it may be easy to click the egg to figure out what it is, but there are 2 reasons to make it scroll-wide:

1. It's still easier to be able to look at the acronym to tell.

2. I think it's easier to code a scroll-wide thing rather than just an AP thing.

 

 

But what if they want to be able to see whatever they can of the art without continually changing settings(which would be more of a pain than simply clicking on an egg)? Especially with them being white, they wouldn't be able to enjoy it at all even when looking at their scroll.

[Obscure_Trash]

I don't think this is necessary as scroll-wide. AP, I'd love to do something to help those with some kind of colorblind or blindness, but I don't think it's necessary on the scroll. The point on the scroll is to admire them, not hunt for them. Hatchies have different outlines and it's not too hard to click 7 eggs to double check which is which. We have to click them to check the time, anyway. I could probably identify the eggs on my scroll without seeing any color at all, because I have a certain order I arrange them in. o3o

[PointOfOrigin]

Maybe they could have acronym on the scroll, and usual art on the egg page?

[Completely Different]

I don't think this is necessary as scroll-wide. AP, I'd love to do something to help those with some kind of colorblind or blindness, but I don't think it's necessary on the scroll. The point on the scroll is to admire them, not hunt for them. Hatchies have different outlines and it's not too hard to click 7 eggs to double check which is which. We have to click them to check the time, anyway. I could probably identify the eggs on my scroll without seeing any color at all, because I have a certain order I arrange them in. o3o

While I thought that at first too, I suddenly thought of some situations where this could backfire.

 

Let's say, for argument, you're colourblind, and you have four stripe eggs on your scroll. If you wanted to abandon/gift/trade only say, a red one, but you also had a green, a blue and a white on your scroll, you might have to jump through hoops to work out which one is which if it wasn't scroll wide.

[Thuban]

coloblind people /can/ pick out colors if they stare long enough. when all else fails they will ask a friend. I would NOT be ok with this effecting my scroll page view.

[stogucheme]

But what if they want to be able to see whatever they can of the art without continually changing settings(which would be more of a pain than simply clicking on an egg)? Especially with them being white, they wouldn't be able to enjoy it at all even when looking at their scroll.

coloblind people /can/ pick out colors if they stare long enough. when all else fails they will ask a friend. I would NOT be ok with this effecting my scroll page view.

What about an option given when you enable the feature?

>>>Colorblind Option:

>>>>>Enable? () Yes () No

>>>>>>>() Scrollwide () Only AP

Plus, the real sprite should probably be on the egg's page, like PointOfOrigin suggested. Does that work?

While I thought that at first too, I suddenly thought of some situations where this could backfire.

 

Let's say, for argument, you're colourblind, and you have four stripe eggs on your scroll. If you wanted to abandon/gift/trade only say, a red one, but you also had a green, a blue and a white on your scroll, you might have to jump through hoops to work out which one is which if it wasn't scroll wide.

Complete agreement here. Edited March 9, 2012 by stogucheme

[Verridith]

You wouldnt need to lose the info at the top to do that exactly. Smaller font and building the letters into a small overlay (placing them above like that) would work nicely. Give me a few minutes I'll whip up a preview.

 

EDIT: (note EE stands for example egg, i didnt bother making others)

 

 

 

Yo dont need letters to be that huge. Its colorblindness not blindness in general. A small little overlay tossed on top the eggs would make them about 10 px wider but same hight so would not mess up alignment by much.

I actually like this a lot better. Not only is it attractive, it's also practical, and can be used by non-colorblind people as well. I don't like your idea, Skins, sorry to say - it takes away from the whole idea of making egg art for a pretty significant part of DC.

[skinst]

I actually liked that idea as well, but for some reason other's didn't.

[Fuzzbucket]

I actually liked that idea as well, but for some reason other's didn't.

I like that one fine - my only issue is the size of the acronym... but as long as people CAN see it...

[olympe]

Well, the problem I see is with the size of the acronym, because we'd have to use uppercase letters only with this size. (If you don't believe me, try fitting Re (for red) or Ce (for cheese) to that size.)

 

ETA: I'm also for changing the acronyms. There is no reason that the basic or very first dragons can't have single-letter acronyms. Like B for black, W for water, R for red and so on. (After all, the periodic table of elements has some single-letter codes, too, and it works just fine.) Even three-letter codes like BBW, MSD (moonstone dragon) or SSD (sunstone dragon) might work better than strange two-letter acronyms.

Edited March 9, 2012 by olympe

[TJ09]

Regardless of whether or not us artists can see it, the fact of the matter is you need to alter the art in order to put giant letters over them or making them greyscale.

Uh, no you don't?

[Thuban]

with the example i had posted, the font could easily be made a bit bigger, but caps are easier to read with acronyms.

 

We still havent addressed the issue of pygmy eggs. theres not too many and none of them look alike so colorblind or not they can be told apart. Someday though there may be more. The example i posted would be the most clear when it comes to labling the pygmy eggs too.

 

Also: the reason i mad ethose letters so small is because it does increase the size of the area you can click for the egg. Since we are avoiding giving this idea an unfair advantage, i had to make the letters as small as i could. It still increased the clicking area by three pixels which would be an advantage to those who always "just miss" clicking on the eggs.

Edited March 10, 2012 by Thuban

[Marrionetta]

Marri likes accessibility and ease of access for dis- and differently abled folk. :> You have my support, friends.

 

And for what it's worth I have no issue with letters being superimposed over eggs I've made. It'd be silly to get fussy over something that is so small, especially when it was for a good cause. :> Just eggs, doods.

Edited March 10, 2012 by Marrionetta

[ChocoBrownie]

The problem is that not many people are color-blind, and that maybe we could be wasting our time putting large words above the eggs.But...It could work...

~Scroll spam Removed~

Edited March 11, 2012 by SockPuppet Strangler

[Fuzzbucket]

The problem is that not many people are color-blind, and that maybe we could be wasting our time putting large words above the eggs.But...It could work...

The problem is that some people ARE colour blind and most of us want to see those people able to play as easily as the rest of us.

[loudwhitenoise]

What if, instead of altering the sprites, you use an overlay like the fansite Eggs Around The World does? In it's dragonmarket, you can specify things like CB, but it doesnt alter the sprite and is more like a transparent layer going over the image. See example>

                 <img src="static/trade/random.gif" alt="random dragon" title="random dragon"/> 
<span class="ln"><img src="static/trade/random.gif" alt="lineaged random dragon" title="lineaged random dragon"></span> 
<span class="cb"><img src="static/trade/random.gif" alt="caveborn random dragon" title="caveborn random dragon"></span>

The css part refuses to copy paste but the gist of it seems to be

SPAN.cb:after
margin-left : -14px
content : url('cb.png')
SPAN.ln:after
margin-left : -14px
content : url('ln.png')

 

The work would be in the html coding on every page is all, which I'd bet would be boring and tedious.

Also, since it would have to load two images for every egg, that might chew bandwidth a bit. However, I haven't noticed this sort of option mentioned, so I threw it out there for you to see.

 

Disclaimer: If this post makes me look really stupid somehow, I blame the time - I normally avoid posting this late mainly cos I do end up sounding the fool.

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Anyway, a colour-blindness option is a very good idea, since it means reaching out to a group that may find things inaccesable normally. (infact I read an article about this, which I could type on and on about for ages... ) I fully support it no matter how it is implemented.

[Fuzzbucket]

???

 

Can you do a screenshot ?

[loudwhitenoise]

Hmm, screenshot.. I hope you mean of the actual page ond not of the source code haha

Note how some of the eggs/hatchies have letters over them, but that isnt actually affecting the sprite beneath it - it's a seperate image.

[Harley Quinn hyenaholic]

The trouble is that colourblind people are still at a disadvantage. They need to remember the names of the dragons, and read them, and that all takes time.

[olympe]

True, but how can that be avoided? By using greyscale hatchling images instead? (or putting the hatchie shadow over/under/beside the egg?)

[Thuban]

i prefer the letters be off the egg if the eggs have colors.

 

 

Am i really the only "colorblind" person weighing in here? Again: putting colored text over or slightly over an already colored image makes it hard to make out. You would also have to have different colors to make it work. the overlay i suggested can have bigger font, do i need to whip up an example with bigger font?

[Harley Quinn hyenaholic]

I figure, Thuban, that the reason you are the only CB person on here is because the game isn't easy for CB people to play.