Death Penalty

[angelicdragonpuppy]

Our jails are filling up and people who are let out just re-commit their crimes. Our jail system/system of punishment is not working to dissuade people or help fix the problem. Is the solution just to let them rot in jail or kill them? Or is it perhaps to change things in a different direction?

If you have a miracle solution to stop criminals from being criminals, I'm all for it. However, I doubt that's the case, and accordingly I think the death penalty is the way to go about things--for the types of criminals I mentioned, anyway. XP

 

Who knows, maybe if we had less stuck-there-for-life murderers/rapists/scum-of-the-earth sitting around clogging up the system there'd be more room and resources for trying to reform the petty crime people.

Edited September 7, 2012 by angelicdragonpuppy

[Obscure_Trash]

(Derp. Edited instead of quoted. See my edits in my last post. ^^)

[pinkieseb]

I disagree with revenge, and killing. Although if the person has been that much of a that everyone wants him/her dead. I'd almost want the government to kill them. Imagine been stuck in prison, for drink driving, and your stuck there for a year or two. Then suddenly you get a mass murderer put in the cell across from you, who isnt getting the death sentence! That would drive me insane for sure.

[~Kat~]

So then you do believe that the law should be about revenge rather than justice?

 

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Revenge does not bring back those we've lost.

 

Am I saying that murder shouldn't bring consequences? Of course not. But the consequences should be handed out on the basis and logic of justice, not the emotional thing that is revenge.

 

 

 

I feel no safer after we've murdered someone than if that person is in a jail cell.

 

 

 

(Did you see my edit? No, I do not have a miracle solution, though I don't think just killing people while we work on solving things is a miracle solution, either.)

It is justice.

 

But, I can see where it can be revenge by the victims family. I know if it was one of my loved ones, to me it would be justice and revenge. Let me have them first, and see what I would do to them,

 

It is not right that someone takes another life for no reason at all, such as rape, robbery etc. I am sick of the good honest people getting killed becasue of some celf centered twisted perverted person thinking that the world owes them.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

(Derp. Edited instead of quoted. See my edits in my last post. ^^)

Sock, I think changing the system would be good--to HELP THE PETTY CRIME PEOPLE. I would like to see young thieves and vandals and all that crap helped and returned to the world as good people.

 

But I do not think murderers, violent rapists, sex traffickers, or pedophiles can ever be reformed. They are the most dangerous people this dangerous world can cough up. When you commit something of that gravity, you do not get a second chance. And since you don't get a second chance, I'd rather have you dead then having you sitting around in jail clogging things up.

 

Also moving this bit down from where I edited it into my previous post, to show how STUPID our current system is:

You think life in prison is a good enough punishment for those people? Look at this.

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-orders-sex-cha...-165858350.html

Guy murdered his wife. What does the judge do? Says the taxpayers have to pay to give this scum gender reassignment surgery, because it's a "serious medical need." So basically the murderer in prison is remaining alive and getting free plastic surgery courtesy of us good, non-murderous people. I think putting him to death would've been a much more fitting operation, personally.

Edited September 7, 2012 by angelicdragonpuppy

[~Kat~]

Sock, I think changing the system would be good--to HELP THE PETTY CRIME PEOPLE. I would like to see young thieves and vandals and all that crap helped and returned to the world as good people.

 

But I do not think murderers, violent rapists, sex traffickers, or pedophiles can ever be reformed. They are the most dangerous people this dangerous world can cough up. When you commit something of that gravity, you do not get a second chance. And since you don't get a second chance, I'd rather have you dead then having you sitting around in jail clogging things up.

 

Also moving this bit down from where I edited it into my previous post, to show how STUPID our current system is:

You think life in prison is a good enough punishment for those people? Look at this.

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-orders-sex-cha...-165858350.html

Guy murdered his wife. What does the judge do? Says the taxpayers have to pay to give this scum gender reassignment surgery, because it's a "serious medical need." So basically the murderer in prison is remaining alive and getting free plastic surgery courtesy of us good, non-murderous people. I think putting him to death would've been a much more fitting operation, personally.

Again I agree with you.

 

Yes I saw that yesterday. Why should we have to pay for his sex change?

 

 

[Sir Barton]

I feel just a little bit safer when a murder is put to death. While it may be a false sense of security since there are still a ton of violent criminals out there, at least I know that there is one less.

 

I believe the reason that our current system fails is because it takes too long to go through the process. People don't fear punishment because 1. they don't believe they will ever get caught and 2. because if they do get caught they know that they have years ahead of them before they even stand a chance of facing death. Locked up in general population, you are more likely to be killed then sitting on death row.

 

I support the death penalty, but would like to see it reworked in such a way that appeals would be more limited to faster track the violent career criminal. We put down mad dogs because they are a threat. Why should people be any different?

[Rosedamai]

My father was a judge in the army (we have mandatory military service here) and he refused to sentence someone to day even though they had gotten drunk, started fights, and deserted numerous times. He said that the reason that he did not sentence that person to death was because he felt that he, as a person, did not have the rights over someone else's life. I agree with him.

 

Emotionally I can understand why you would feel like sentencing someone to death. However, that does not mean that if it's time for me as a person to sentence someone to death, I'll be able to do that. I don't want that responsibility. Not to mention that there have been many people who have been sentenced to death for voicing out different political views.

 

If you want to sentence someone to death, do it yourselves.

[Obscure_Trash]

It is justice.

I was specifically replying to pinkie's wording.

 

If you support the death sentence because you feel that is justice, fine. However, supporting the death sentence based on reasons of revenge is not how the law should work.

 

Revenge is a cold, angry thing based on emotions rather than logic or evidence.

[pinkieseb]

I was specifically replying to pinkie's wording.

 

If you support the death sentence because you feel that is justice, fine. However, supporting the death sentence based on reasons of revenge is not how the law should work.

 

Revenge is a cold, angry thing based on emotions rather than logic or evidence.

Yea, i didnt word it very well

 

 

I believe in revenge, but not to that extent....

Justice on the other hand, to any extent.

[Obscure_Trash]

Yea, i didnt word it very well

We've all been there. :3

 

I believe in revenge, but not to that extent....

Justice on the other hand, to any extent.

 

Thanks for explaining. This is a lot clearer than what you said earlier. :3

[Sir Barton]

If you want to sentence someone to death, do it yourselves.

Never really know until you are in that situation, but I'm pretty sure I could handle that. Frankly, I think that the victim's family should be the ones to make that decision. If they find closure with life in prison, fine. If having the murder or rapist put to death eases their minds and stress, so be it. The biggest problem I see in that is when you have serial killers and are dealing with multi victims.

[~Kat~]

I have seen first hand pictures of what rapist, murderers have done to their victims.

 

Some people can not do this, and I understand. I on the other hand could sentence someone to death without any problems.

 

 

[Alpha1]

Unless the costs are lower, I wouldn't support it.

[Kestra15]

I am sick of the good honest people getting killed becasue of some celf centered twisted perverted person thinking that the world owes them.

And yet you are all for blanket-bombing the houses of supposed drug barons, which will most likely contain more innocents than guilty parties, and to carry on a war in Afghanistan which is killing far more innocent people and 'terrorists' than any actual terrorist - and is in the process getting many soldiers from multiple countries killed off in the process.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

My father was a judge in the army (we have mandatory military service here) and he refused to sentence someone to day even though they had gotten drunk, started fights, and deserted numerous times. He said that the reason that he did not sentence that person to death was because he felt that he, as a person, did not have the rights over someone else's life. I agree with him.

 

Emotionally I can understand why you would feel like sentencing someone to death. However, that does not mean that if it's time for me as a person to sentence someone to death, I'll be able to do that. I don't want that responsibility. Not to mention that there have been many people who have been sentenced to death for voicing out different political views.

 

If you want to sentence someone to death, do it yourselves.

What country are you in? Over here, the death sentence is reserved for those who truly, absolutely deserve nothing less. Getting drunk, starting fights, and deserting aren't exactly the best things, but they are certainly NOT worth the death penalty--unless by "starting fights" you mean he was starting fights in which he actually killed people.

 

If someone ever raped or tortured or murdered someone I loved, I would give them the death sentence in a heartbeat. But that's the funny thing: the people who are most hurt by these monsters (either the victims themselves, if they survive, or their families) are very rarely the ones who get to say what punishment they get. It's all done by a bunch of unpassionate judges and lawyers who care more about seeing if they can weasel through loopholes in laws than about ensuring real justice or proper sentences. l(

[Rosedamai]

What country are you in? Over here, the death sentence is reserved for those who truly, absolutely deserve nothing less. Getting drunk, starting fights, and deserting aren't exactly the best things, but they are certainly NOT worth the death penalty--unless by "starting fights" you mean he was starting fights in which he actually killed people.

 

If someone ever raped or tortured or murdered someone I loved, I would give them the death sentence in a heartbeat. But that's the funny thing: the people who are most hurt by these monsters (either the victims themselves, if they survive, or their families) are very rarely the ones who get to say what punishment they get. It's all done by a bunch of unpassionate judges and lawyers who care more about seeing if they can weasel through loopholes in laws than about ensuring real justice or proper sentences. l(

Defecting 7~8times in the army when your country didn't really have democracy WAS capital punishment stuff. Dunno how that would work now, but I doubt it is capital offense stuff. That was about 30 years ago.

 

The point being, if you want to murder someone under the guise of the law, ask yourself if you have that right to take away a person's life and also ask if you yourself will be up to the task. Sure it is easy to call for blood when you are not the one actually having to administer injections.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

Murder =/= death penalty. Said it before and will say it again: lethal injection is in no way comparable to blowing people up or hunting them down and shooting them or raping and strangling them do death.

 

I'd be more than happy to give the injection myself. In fact I'd like to do more. I realize I sound pretty bloodthirsty, but trust me: I would much rather this world be a happy, peaceful place. But when someone DOES do such awful things, I believe they deserve to suffer as they have made others suffer. Someone murdered someone in my family? I'd kill that person myself if I got the chance.

 

Also, as I mentioned, the death penalty over here is nowhere near that... open. Most muderers don't even get it, much less deserters. If someone over here recieves it they damn well deserve it--and yet most of the people who get it still get to live tons and tons of years because they keep appealing the case, and they never even get put to death in the end. :/

Edited September 7, 2012 by angelicdragonpuppy

[Rosedamai]

Murder =/= death penalty. Said it before and will say it again: lethal injection is in no way comparable to blowing people up or hunting them down and shooting them or raping and strangling them do death.

 

I'd be more than happy to give the injection myself. In fact I'd like to do more. I realize I sound pretty bloodthirsty, but trust me: I would much rather this world be a happy, peaceful place. But when someone DOES do such awful things, I believe they deserve to suffer as they have made others suffer. Someone murdered someone in my family? I'd kill that person myself if I got the chance.

 

Also, as I mentioned, the death penalty over here is nowhere near that... open. Most muderers don't even get it, much less deserters. If someone over here recieves it they damn well deserve it--and yet most of the people who get it still get to live tons and tons of years because they keep appealing the case, and they never even get put to death in the end. :/

Currently we do have a death penalty, but it has not been executed (pun intended) in I think 20 years? So yeah it's not like we are killing people left and right. I am just sharing an episode from a long time ago because I am sick and tired of people going on about how those in the legal profession don't care. They do. It doesn't mean that they feel like they are entitled to kill someone.

 

Personally I think killing is killing. If I go up to someone and inject them with poison it does not make me less of a killer. You guys basically want judges and other people to do your dirty work for you. It's just state sponsored killing.

[The Evil Doer]

Clear definition of what crimes are punishable by death and then kill them all with no appeals

[Obscure_Trash]

He's told me various times that life in prison isn't so bad.

 

It's always interesting when I hear this because I've also heard from several people who have family members/friends in jail who have said their family members/friends thought jail was awful and feared going back, but didn't know any other way to live and wouldn't accept help/didn't think they could be helped.

 

I wonder if this is based on which jail it is, crime, personality, or what?

[Ruins]

I'm kind of torn between two viewpoints. One one hand:

 

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."- J.R.R Tolkien

 

But on the other:

 

"Some monsters should not walk under the living sky."- Sir Terry Pratchett

 

I support the death penalty for certain crimes- like malicious murder, torture, the severe abuse of a child or partner, serial rape, selling or making child pornography, slavery and suchlike- but until we have a justice system where I can be sure that only the guilty are put to death... I don't know. They get sentenced and then live on Death Row for years, costing everyone thousands of dollars or whatever, and then you have those stories of people close to execution who turn out to be innocent.

 

So I don't come down very firmly into either camp. It's too confused for me to make any secure judgements and I don't know all of the facts.

[earthgirl]

I think rapists, sadists, serial killers and other such psychopaths should die. Especially after being in prison for some time, then released to do it all over again. Period. They are lost cases.

 

Those who steal and make a living off stealing, sell drugs and other smaller illegal things, should stay in jail for a while/life.

 

And those who kill on self-defence, who did this with no intention of killing, should get therapy for the trauma caused by knowing that they killed a person. They at least have a conscience and you'd know they won't do it again.

 

My 2 cents on this topic.

[Sir Barton]

Unless the costs are lower, I wouldn't support it.

The costs would be dramatically lower if we cut out a percentage of the appeal process. That is where costs build up.

 

Think about Ted Bundy. Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt. Arrest in 1975, convicted in 1976... escaped twice in 1977 (added cost in tracking him back down and catching him again, also the psychological cost to victim's families and the general public knowing that he was on the loose.) Not executed until 1989. That is 13 years of room, board, medical, etc. that the taxpayers had to pay for on top of the original court cost and sequential appeal cost.

 

Putting him down by 1980 at the very latest would have saved everyone a lot of money and worry.

Edited September 7, 2012 by Sir Barton

[Kestra15]

And, as ever - what if you get the wrong man?