Holiday dragons produce at least one egg in season

[DarkEternity]

For Holidays at Christmas, would it be possible/more beneficial if all Holidays were guaranteed to produce at least one Holiday egg in their respective season? (i.e. no interest/no egg message is removed for this breed)

 

In particular, for Hollies, this could mean

 

Pros

- More Hollies in circulation

- better able to fulfill IOUs and such

- Improved morale amongst AP hunters

- Perhaps decreased lag/decreased competition

 

Cons

- Hollies become slightly common

- Possible hyperinflation/deflation in its 'value'

- Perhaps increased lag/server strain from AP hunting

 

Discuss.

 

EDIT: Take also into consideration that the code catching loophole has been closed. Also, owners will now be able to trade/gift a maximum of ONE Holly per multiclutch.

 

Take also into consideration that the majority of Holly eggs will be privately traded for rare eggs such as CB metals and neglected dragons, or privately gifted. This was evidenced in 2010, when few Holly departures were announced in the forums.

Edited November 19, 2011 by DarkEternity

[Infinis]

I don't see how hollies becoming more common is a con, personally...I'd like to see them eventually valued at the same price as the other Christmases we have.

 

As such, I would like this. o3o

[lightningsky]

holidays are about giving imo, so the circulation of hollies should be improved, even if their value is lowered slightly.

 

and lag/server strain? always going to be there during events 'n such.

 

i thought ALL holidays had the "no interest" thing removed? hollies are an exception? that's new to me...

[kittygrl]

me too. i dont care for hollies but i would like at least one 0.0 and im not great at AP hunting

[HeatherMarie]

I understand the want, here, and I'm not against it.... But why specifically Hollies?

 

Yes, there was a point when Hollies were SUPER-rare because not many people who originally got them years ago are still playing.... But add up everyone who has caught or been gifted/traded bred hollies over the years, they aren't *as* rare as they used to be.

 

I would rather a suggestion like this be made for *all* scroll-limited holiday dragons (v-days, other christmas dragons, etc), since they are *all* relatively rare and could stand to get a boost in production.

[DarkEternity]

No, I asked in help whether it was possible to get a 'no interest' message for Holidays. This prompted me to suggest that it perhaps be removed for one of the most sought after breeds in existence.

Marie19R- Even as a newbie I had no problems getting any of the other breeds... but the Holly Dx

 

Also, I thought it would be less contentious if it was limited only to one breed.

Edited November 19, 2011 by DarkEternity

[Layn]

I have never gotten a no interest message for any of my Holiday dragons. Since the fertility levels for all holiday dragons are increased for their holiday, I would say that if a no interest message is still possible, it's HIGHLY unlikely.

[Infinis]

I've never actually heard of a holly (or any holiday dragon, for that matter) giving a "no interest" during their breeding season. Last year, however, I DO know that at least one holly failed to produce at all.

 

I would rather a suggestion like this be made for *all* scroll-limited holiday dragons (v-days, other christmas dragons, etc), since they are *all* relatively rare and could stand to get a boost in production.

 

I don't agree that all the other holidays are all that rare, but I'd like this suggestion to encompass all holiday breeds as well...it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep it just to hollies, honestly.

[DarkEternity]

Updated to encompass all holiday breeds.

 

EDIT: but doesn't

no interest = no egg production?

 

Or was there another message? Dx

Because I'm pretty sure refusals are disabled for holidays...

Edited November 19, 2011 by DarkEternity

[lightningsky]

Updated to encompass all holiday breeds.

 

EDIT: but doesn't

no interest = no egg production?

 

Or was there another message? Dx

Because I'm pretty sure refusals are disabled for holidays...

...the "you breed the two dragons, but no egg was produced" one?

[DarkEternity]

Updated. My brain isn't working.

[stogucheme]

I don't see how hollies becoming more common is a con, personally...I'd like to see them eventually valued at the same price as the other Christmases we have.

 

As such, I would like this. o3o

This pretty much. But yeah, all holidays producing at least one egg during their holiday week only would be amazing.

 

Edit: As long as you mean all holidays will produce at least one egg during their season.

Edited November 19, 2011 by stogucheme

[Obscure_Trash]

There were several hollies last year which didn't produce any eggs. I would appreciate if they all produced at least one. However, a member mentioned that they had contacted TJ about it and it nothing was done about it, unlike someone contacting him about getting no snow angel (?) and that being corrected, so I doubt this will change - if that info is correct. (I have no idea of its validity.)

[DarkEternity]

This pretty much. But yeah, all holidays producing at least one egg during their holiday week only would be amazing.

 

Edit: As long as you mean all holidays will produce at least one egg during their season.

I mean per season, my bad Dx

 

Edited November 19, 2011 by DarkEternity

[KageSora]

There were several hollies last year which didn't produce any eggs. I would appreciate if they all produced at least one. However, a member mentioned that they had contacted TJ about it and it nothing was done about it, unlike someone contacting him about getting no snow angel (?) and that being corrected, so I doubt this will change - if that info is correct. (I have no idea of its validity.)

From what I heard last year, if I'm remembering right, Hollies were producing much less than the other breeds anyway, people getting just one egg and such, generally producing less than expected.

 

 

I suspect that Hollies are just supposed to produce less in general because they're supposed to be so rare...

 

 

 

 

I'd really prefer if there was at least one egg per breeding, that would be great.

[Fiona]

I personally know of a person who bred 2 Hollies and got only one egg between them. That was disappointing.

 

From something TJ said in the thread discussing raising the limits for Holiday dragons I have the impression that the other Christmas dragons are plentiful, considering that each scroll is limited to 2. Hollies are the only ones that are still very rare.

 

In addition to supporting this suggestion, I've considered suggesting that Holly dragons (and only Hollies) be guaranteed to produce a multi-clutch. The reasoning is that Hollies are still incredibly scarce. I'm not sure what the percentage of players is that has one, but I have the impression it's definitely a minority. I feel that the game can only be benefited by increasing their population. For the other Christmas breeds, and the Valentines and Halloween dragons, I don't think any such aid to their population is needed. Last year at Christmas time the AP kind of got overrun with Yules and Snow Angels.

[LugiaLover]

I'm one hundred percent for this. My holly's first egg is already promised to someone.

 

I just wanted to say that this may actually decrease AP lag- more people will be able to catch hollies and thus less people will be hunting them.

[DarkEternity]

Updated

[aangs-sister]

100% support.

In particular, for Hollies, this could mean

 

Pros

- More Hollies in circulation

- better able to fulfill IOUs and such

- Improved morale amongst AP hunters

 

Cons

- Hollies become slightly common

- Possible hyperinflation/deflation in its 'value'

- Perhaps increased lag/server strain from AP hunting

To be honest, the first two cons seem like pros to me. I don't like it the way things are now, having one holiday dragon so grossly rare and more valuable than the others. I don't mind it being rare and a challenge to get, but as they are now they are nearly unobtainable without trading/gifting. And as for lag:

I just wanted to say that this may actually decrease AP lag- more people will be able to catch hollies and thus less people will be hunting them.

I also really, really like this idea:

In addition to supporting this suggestion, I've considered suggesting that Holly dragons (and only Hollies) be guaranteed to produce a multi-clutch. The reasoning is that Hollies are still incredibly scarce.

Many, many users (including myself) would be made so happy though this.

[kerrikins]

I certainly support this I think it makes sense to have all Hollies that are bred produce at least one. Not all Hollies will be bred to begin with, due to owners going inactive.

 

I'd support this being expanded to other Holidays as well With every year that passes, each year's dragons have the potential to become more scarce, or at least 2nd gens do.

[Fengari]

+1 support. Especially because many people trade for holiday IOUs, and this way you can at least be certain the egg that was promised to you will be produced... I know trading for IOUs is a risk in itself because your trade partner cannot be forced to honor it, but it would be reassuring to know there's no possibility of getting the dreaded PM of 'I tried to breed the egg I promised you, but my dragons wouldn't comply...'.

[WraithZephyr]

i thought ALL holidays had the "no interest" thing removed? hollies are an exception? that's new to me...

not unusual for any holiday. I've had it happen with my valentine. I find that the highest chance of this happening is right at the very start of the breeding season.. people's clocks might be off by a minute or two in relation to the cave clock so while they think breeding of the holiday has opened up it might not really have happened yet so they wind up breeding "too early" and the system gives the result as if the common parent was what should be produced or not produced. Better to wait 30-60 minutes after the season has started to make sure there are no kinks/glitches like that happening.

[olympe]

No, I asked in help whether it was possible to get a 'no interest' message for Holidays. This prompted me to suggest that it perhaps be removed for one of the most sought after breeds in existence.

Marie19R- Even as a newbie I had no problems getting any of the other breeds... but the Holly Dx

 

Also, I thought it would be less contentious if it was limited only to one breed.

Absolutely. I've had several Christmas breeding attempts last year that resulted in no eggs. Only one of my (then) three Xmas dragon (snow angel) produced an egg or two, the other two (snow angel and yulebuck) either gave me "no interest" or "no egg produced". So, yes, one guaranteed egg would be nice.

 

AFAIK, the only thing that has been disabled for holidays is refusals. (I know I tried to breed my snow angel with the white it used to have the snow angel babies with, and got a refusal out of season. )

[Draketeeth]

Yeah, one season not long ago my 09 valentines produced no egg in her season. I was rather befuddled. Course they'd always been stingy little gals in the off season with those devilish curves and all so I figured it was something in the breed. None of my other valentines have ever been so rude.

 

The snow angels were pretty cranky last year come to think of it. One dropped two eggs and the other none. The Yules have always been good boys. Huge clutches every year. They like their mates ^^ Hope one isn't offended his bride cheated on him with a marrow this year.

 

At least one egg would be nice. That way people could at least gift to a friend if nothing else.

 

As for the matter of Hollies, I think part of the lack of them is personal choice of some of the breeders. Off and on I have heard several of them mention that they have been harassed for IOUs come that holiday, and they choose not to breed altogether. This is truely unfortunate that users are 1) being that rude to other users and 2) that users who have these special holidays that others choose not (be it any holiday dragon, not just the hollies) to spread the sought-after lineages. I know it always brightens my day to find something I need in the AP. I was doing back-flips a little while back when I found a pygmy dragon I needed for a project.

Edited November 21, 2011 by Draketeeth

[Silence2]

For Holidays at Christmas, would it be possible/more beneficial if all Holidays were guaranteed to produce at least one Holiday egg in their respective season?

I support this. I've had some issues with mine producing, and it makes me sad. I like sending my eggs to the AP in hopes they will be saved by someone that really wants them. And, for those expecting IOUs, I am sure it would make the holiday rather sad to not get the dragon promised to them. I know that that is the risk one takes. But, the limit on Christmas/Valentine dragons is because of love and sharing, so it makes sense to me that the holidays would have at least one egg for sure at their respective holidays.