Fake Low Gen Tinsels

[Fandom Addict]

I was just wondering what the general view on "fake" Low-Gen Tinsel's are? When someone kills a Tinsel (say a 10th Gen) to create a "new" low-gen lineage with tombstones in the line.

 

I got a Bronze Tinsel off of the AP the other day from a line I already have. It's been messed up at some point in the line where someone didn't have a CB Vine to carry it on perfectly. I was considering on breeding it in a new line and killing the Tinsel at some point. I want to do a Water Horse x Gold Tinsel line but could never trade for a 2nd Gen and I don't think there is that line yet.

 

What are peoples views on it? Would you go after one of these "Fake" Low-Gens and offer something nice for it. Or would you not bother as it's not a real CB Tinsel line? Just curious.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Fandom Addict

[OMGitsKairi]

I'm kind of on the fence about it, because I'm planning on doing a lineage with them

as a personal project, but I wouldn't try to trade one, or try to trade for one.

[Oddsoxdi]

A fake is a fake and all it does is DE-value the real low-gens around. Someone could even fake up a CB - then of what value are the real ones? The people winning the REAL CB Tinsels earned them - those who fake low-gens or ersatz CB's did not.

[Dragoncia]

I've been planning to do a lineage project(personal project) by killing tinsels for awhile. I already have a few pairs I am trying to get an egg from.

[baconNeggs_2022]

Personally I think if it is done for personal projects or to exchange with people who know exactly what it is and still want it, it's fine. But if someone tries to trick people into trading by faking his tinsel as a low gen one, then it's not.

[WraithZephyr]

I have no problems with it if it's being done to get the tinsel down to a point where it creates a nice pattern lineage. If it is being killed only to turn it back into a messy line then there was no point of killing in the first place and totally wasted.

 

Now.. if the tinsel line I want to kill is not one that I actually bred myself, then I don't kill that one. I will breed it and take the tinsel offspring from it to use for the killing.. that way I don't risk upsetting the breeder of the adult tinsel I have...sometimes people get a little sensitive about it.

[Viar]

Fake is a fake. I wouldn't trade even CB mint for fake-low gen tinzel. And its ridiculous for me when some people want CB gold for fakes.

[NixAyum]

Personally I think if it is done for personal projects or to exchange with people who know exactly what it is and still want it, it's fine. But if someone tries to trick people into trading by faking his tinsel as a low gen one, then it's not.

Pretty much this. I don't have any planned, but I know they can be very pretty, and might like one depending on how it looks.

[Dragoncia]

Now.. if the tinsel line I want to kill is not one that I actually bred myself, then I don't kill that one. I will breed it and take the tinsel offspring from it to use for the killing.. that way I don't risk upsetting the breeder of the adult tinsel I have...sometimes people get a little sensitive about it.

That is how I was planning to do it .

[skyie]

Oh, so that's why people kill tinsels.

 

As to "fake" or not, ummm....a tinsel is a tinsel.

 

[DragonNighthowler]

I have no problems with it if it's being done to get the tinsel down to a point where it creates a nice pattern lineage. If it is being killed only to turn it back into a messy line then there was no point of killing in the first place and totally wasted.

 

Now.. if the tinsel line I want to kill is not one that I actually bred myself, then I don't kill that one. I will breed it and take the tinsel offspring from it to use for the killing.. that way I don't risk upsetting the breeder of the adult tinsel I have...sometimes people get a little sensitive about it.

+100000 to this.

 

A fake is a fake. Exactly, however, you CAN'T trick anyone by claiming it's a PB since you have those tombstones there.

 

It's fine people won't trade even CB mint for one. I would not trade a horse for a cheese, personally. It's a matter of preferences, and I would not trade a common for a messy lineaged gold. Again, a matter of preferences. Others would trade valuable things for them.

 

However, the owners of these tinsels are entitled to ask whatever they wish for them, the same as tinsel owners are.

Quiet frankly, F-bomb eggs are a plague to me, and yet the traders keep asking for rare goodies for them. If someone is willing to pay a CB gold for them, who am I to tell them they're being ridiculous, or they're being wrong?

 

For example, do you think this is rare? Took me 9 months to finnish, one heck of an effort, time and planning, pages and pages until I got it right. For me, it's pretty rare.

For others, it's a simple lineaged white not worth a penny, and less valuable than a CB white.

I find some lineages very, very pretty, and much more worth it than CB since it shows the work and planning of the breeder.

But that's a matter of preferences.

[Fuzzbucket]

Personally I think if it is done for personal projects or to exchange with people who know exactly what it is and still want it, it's fine. But if someone tries to trick people into trading by faking his tinsel as a low gen one, then it's not.

I haz a gold I was given out of the blue - and I was told that there were tombstones in there. I love it. It is - after all - a gold tinsel. While sure I'd like a nice staircase as well - it has a pretty lineage, and I wouldn't be without it.

[Leidarendi]

A fake is a fake and all it does is DE-value the real low-gens around. Someone could even fake up a CB - then of what value are the real ones? The people winning the REAL CB Tinsels earned them - those who fake low-gens or ersatz CB's did not.

I know someone posted a list they made which accounted for all of the CB tinsels. Maybe if people have questions on whether their tinsel is from an original CB or fake line they can refer to that list.

 

Does anyone know that post I'm referring to?

[Fuzzbucket]

It was a while ago now, and it's been cleaned up. But you can see the tombstones in a fake line. That tells you.

 

Look !

[cottondragon]

I don't mind them as long as ppl don't try to fool me in trades :3 I in fact am planning to kill one of my tinsels around halloween to create a zombie-tinsel-line ^o^

[DragonNighthowler]

It was a while ago now, and it's been cleaned up. But you can see the tombstones in a fake line. That tells you.

 

Look !

That's what I mean. That would be a fake tinsel, which can't be confused with this one, for example.

 

So there is no cheating there.

 

BTW, saw a lovely PB tinsel lineage, worked completely with fake tinsels. It was a lovely lineage. Unfortunately, can't remember where I saw it.

[arlymaye]

I echo the others in saying that a fake is a fake no matter what. You can always tell that it's a fake by looking at the tombstones. What I don't get is why do people always assume that anyone creating a fake low gen is trying to cheat? I've seen this arguments over and over again whenever pseudo low gens are being brought up. Many do it to clean up long, messy, inbred lineages and to make it esthetically more pleasant. Of course, esthetics is in the eye of the beholder and not everyone likes tombstones appearing in lineages.

 

Of course, it would make much more sense to label fakes as it is instead of claiming it to be true low gen. Some people might omit this in trades but I doubt it is their intention to pass a fake as true cb / low gen.

 

 

 

 

 

[numb3rs]

fake maybe okay with messy lineage :-s

however, I don't collect those line @@

[tjekan]

People can do what they want on their own scroll. Some people like how the tombstones look, or conversely, dislike the look of a long lineage. It's really up to each player.

 

But it does always annoy me a little when I see like a 4rd-gen tinsel egg with a pairing I like being offered in the trade forum, and I start to get excited, but then I click on it and it's a fake. A lot of people put "fake" or "doctored" or "tombstone lineage" on their trading posts, and I really appreciate that, because then I know to skip them, since I don't care for those lineages myself. :-)

[Walker]

Merp. It's up to the person trading to look at the lineage of the egg they are considering swapping for. It's kind of hard to "trick someone." Just take the egg's code, go to the lineage page, and look at it yourself.

 

EDIT: Unless it's hidden that is. Which is suspicious anyway and I'd turn away

Edited October 12, 2011 by Walker

[WraithZephyr]

Someone could even fake up a CB - then of what value are the real ones? The people winning the REAL CB Tinsels earned them - those who fake low-gens or ersatz CB's did not.

You CANNOT fake a CB Tinsel. The tinsel will always be 2nd gen with 1-2 of the killed dragon(s) depending on the pattern of the lineages.

[topaz08]

Is there a list of the original tinsels somewhere?

[WraithZephyr]

I was told at one point by a mod that posting my list would be ok as long as scroll owner names were left off so here goes...

 

31 CB Tinsels total:

-- 5 gold tinsels

-- 10 silver tinsels

-- 15 bronze tinsels

-- 1 spriter's alt (offspring are silvers)

 

I was told at one point by a mod that posting my list would be ok as long as scroll owner names were left off it so here goes...

 

GOLD TINSELS

 

1 -- Epic / Gold Epica

2 -- Lexy / Alexandria Aurelix

3 -- s5gF / Apollo

4 -- iWin / Living In Sin

5 -- AGYI

 

SILVER TINSELS

 

0 -- Penk (Spriter's Alt)

1 -- UaDI / Patxaran (formerly named: Second Prize Is Silver)

2 -- TREE / Arboriel Morchaint

3 -- aobO

4 -- Abby

5 -- EQdU / Dawn's Silver Medal

6 -- wind / Artemis

7 -- k1ss / Chaos King

8 -- booo / Belyse

9 -- DMHP / Inextrica

10 -- ERNA / Erno

 

BRONZE TINSELS

 

1 -- Wyms / Galletian Victory

2 -- Vein / Alcoholic

3 -- 1219 / Brazen Zalvaris CB

4 -- A76J / Roreng Freshly Baked WaffleWing

5 -- Rnbw / Bronze Ivy

6 -- Wish / Tanoth the Dragon King

7 -- wish / Hypnotizing

8 -- Ryko / Cayvyn

9 -- (f-bomb)

10 -- 1337 / Darkrose

11 -- Aht6 / Antihypertensive

12 -- aBv6 / Cielatal

13 -- Anzu / Bronze Herz 'Anzu' Zephyr

14 -- NCjU / San Victorus

15 -- ARMY

 

[SolarCat]

A 'doctored' tinsel is not the same as one that is originated from one of the 'real' original tinsels. A 2nd gen tinsel from one of those is worth much more than a 2nd gen doctored, since I can do a doctored line myself.

 

'Regular' tinsels lose value with the higher gens, in my opinion, unless it's a really unique arrangement. In my mind they'll gain value again once they reach a ridiculous amount of generations without any slips in the pattern, but in my mind that's something like 25+ generations, and it's still not as valuable as a 2nd gen.

 

That said, a 'doctored' tinsel, to me, gains value as it goes in higher generations. Anyone can make a 'doctored' 2nd gen, but to have a really nice concept, like a 6th even-gen 'purebred' tinsel, or multi-colored checkerboards, or other such lineages - that takes a lot of work, and to me that is a giant credit to the breeder, and absolutely worth more than an 8th gen from one of the originating tinsels, because at this point it's not just valuing the tinsel, it's valuing the time and dedication of the breeder.

 

I'm also participating in the Rosebud x Tombstone lineage, and since nobody can have more than 2 rosebuds, it takes a lot of dedication and teamwork to build up a lineage of that nature, and it's hard to put a price on something like that.

Edited October 12, 2011 by SolarCat

[Merenwen]

People can do what they want on their own scroll. Some people like how the tombstones look, or conversely, dislike the look of a long lineage. It's really up to each player.

 

But it does always annoy me a little when I see like a 4rd-gen tinsel egg with a pairing I like being offered in the trade forum, and I start to get excited, but then I click on it and it's a fake. A lot of people put "fake" or "doctored" or "tombstone lineage" on their trading posts, and I really appreciate that, because then I know to skip them, since I don't care for those lineages myself. :-)

that

 

I have some with tombstones but I usually don't ask for much for them

and I state tombstones in linege

 

I wish people would label it as a fake, doctored what ever

 

I myself could never doctor a line, no matter how ugly, I like knowing it's orgins