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This is 2012, right? I haven't wandered back in time a century or two?

 

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/...-right-to-vote/

 

Doesn't surprise me. They've said things like "college students shouldn't vote, they're voting for the wrong people--they vote liberal" before.

 

Basically, anybody who votes for anybody but them is "voting for the wrong people".

 

It's sad and pathetic that they'd say something like that, but it doesn't surprise me one bit...

 

 

Ugh. Idiots, the lot of 'em. -_-' I swear some of these people timetraveled out of the past.

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Yeah, even I can't make that one make sense. Just, really, what?

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Anyone ever notice how when a man agrees with his wife or does what she says, he's 'whipped' while when a woman acts obedient to her husband it's just normal?

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Anyone ever notice how when a man agrees with his wife or does what she says, he's 'whipped' while when a woman acts obedient to her husband it's just normal?

Ve not allow zis in MY house.

 

Ve take turns winning. Saves time xd.png

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How logical!

 

I have noticed that before. It's unfortunate. One day, however, all of our descendants will look back on our culture and go 'wtf were they thinking? SO glad we evolved past that..."

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Y'know what? I'm a feminest AND sexist (oh, wait... wha-?), and this is definitely one thing that gets under my skin. I'm sorry to say this, but, honestly? Seriously? I can't stand it. To me, it's not so much about gender as it is MATURITY. But, yes. I do lean towards gender on it, too. Just... No. No, no, no, and no. I don't think it's justifiable, in any case. Mrs. Faust may say that she's proud of her "bronies," but even she herself said it's for little girls AND their parents, including their fathers. Those males that are watching it... Well, how many of them have daughters? wink.gif When you can answer me that all of them do, only then will I find it acceptable. Until then... No.

OK, here's me taking issue time! Guess what? Lucasarts says straight up that Star Wars is for boys. So, does that mean that I, a life-long fan of Star Wars, must go back in time and inform my three-year-old self that she better stop playing with her toy Luke and Leia because someone on high declared I'm the wrong gender to enjoy their story? That what I enjoy is unacceptable because the creator says it's Not For Me?

 

NO.

 

So while you can tell young men that enjoying My Little Pony is unacceptable for them, you will get called on it. My Little Pony is targeted at a specific audience. That does NOT make it unacceptable for others to enjoy it.

 

And I don't believe you are sorry to say it in the slightest.

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Y'know what? I'm a feminest AND sexist (oh, wait... wha-?), and this is definitely one thing that gets under my skin. I'm sorry to say this, but, honestly? Seriously? I can't stand it. To me, it's not so much about gender as it is MATURITY. But, yes. I do lean towards gender on it, too. Just... No. No, no, no, and no. I don't think it's justifiable, in any case. Mrs. Faust may say that she's proud of her "bronies," but even she herself said it's for little girls AND their parents, including their fathers. Those males that are watching it... Well, how many of them have daughters? wink.gif When you can answer me that all of them do, only then will I find it acceptable. Until then... No.

How many of the women watching it have daughters? Would you like to selectively ban people who do not have children from being able to watch the show? Or people who have daughters/no children from watching, say, Batman or something similar? That's for boys, after all. How about people who like MLP, but who have children who don't? Is it okay for them to watch it? And please, explain to me in what significant way males with daughters who watch the show differ from males without daughters who watch it, aside from the obvious lack of offspring.

 

The idea that it is or is not "justifiable" for someone to like a show is moronic.

Edited by LascielsShadow

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Y'know what? I'm a feminest AND sexist (oh, wait... wha-?), and this is definitely one thing that gets under my skin. I'm sorry to say this, but, honestly? Seriously? I can't stand it. To me, it's not so much about gender as it is MATURITY. But, yes. I do lean towards gender on it, too. Just... No. No, no, no, and no. I don't think it's justifiable, in any case. Mrs. Faust may say that she's proud of her "bronies," but even she herself said it's for little girls AND their parents, including their fathers. Those males that are watching it... Well, how many of them have daughters? wink.gif When you can answer me that all of them do, only then will I find it acceptable. Until then... No.

So... what, as soon as you have children it becomes enjoyable again? You seem to say it's ok for parents to like the show, but no other adults. Parents can be of any age, and even any maturity level.

 

I definitely understand not enjoying the show; I don't think it's just the best thing ever or that anyone who doesn't like it is wrong. But it's not fair to say that other people can't enjoy it, or that it's wrong for them to do so. By trying to make it tolerable to parents who would watch the show with their young children, she ended up making it enjoyable for all age groups. It may have been originally created FOR young girls, but that doesn't mean no one else is supposed to enjoy it, or that if they do, there's something wrong with it.

 

I really wish we could get farther from the "this is for boys and this is for girls" idea. Encouraging children to just enjoy whatever they want makes them happy and helps to eliminate stereotypes. In my opinion, the main (and perhaps only) reason that people have this idea of what's appropriate for girls' toys and shows and what's meant for boys is because we were raised with the same ideas.

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Y'know what? I'm a feminest AND sexist (oh, wait... wha-?), and this is definitely one thing that gets under my skin. I'm sorry to say this, but, honestly? Seriously? I can't stand it. To me, it's not so much about gender as it is MATURITY. But, yes. I do lean towards gender on it, too. Just... No. No, no, no, and no. I don't think it's justifiable, in any case. Mrs. Faust may say that she's proud of her "bronies," but even she herself said it's for little girls AND their parents, including their fathers. Those males that are watching it... Well, how many of them have daughters? wink.gif When you can answer me that all of them do, only then will I find it acceptable. Until then... No.

Hmm... By your logic, because I'm a girl, that means that:

 

- I can't play Tekken, a fighting game mainly aimed at mostly male demographic, a game that I have played circa-Tekken 3 and after.

 

-I can't watch The Avengers because it's a movie about comic book superheroes aimed at male demographic (LOVE THAT MOVIE BTW!! <3 <3).

 

I can list many others, but I'm both too lazy to add more and too lazy to argue about your opinion. Let's agree to disagree.

Edited by Vocalia

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My granddaughter will only wear "proper clothes".

 

This means trousers. She will not wear a dress. EVER. (Except for dress up games.)

 

Is she a boy ? I don't think so. She herself is adamant that she is a girl (this comes up when I call her "kitten" when I am being absent minded...)

 

There is nothing that is only for girls and nothing that is only for boys, except when it comes to public toilets - and even that isn't NECESSARY biggrin.gif

 

When I was a little girl I was a cowboy. When I was told I was a cowgirl, I used to get FURIOUS. But if anyone had told me I was a BOY, I would also have been furious. GOTD, I am surprised at you ! REALLY surprised !

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Y'know what? I'm a feminest AND sexist (oh, wait... wha-?)

 

Feminism is gender equality, not make-women-better-to-get-even, so yeah. Wait...wha-? =\

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Y'know what? I'm a feminest AND sexist (oh, wait... wha-?), and this is definitely one thing that gets under my skin. I'm sorry to say this, but, honestly? Seriously? I can't stand it. To me, it's not so much about gender as it is MATURITY. But, yes. I do lean towards gender on it, too. Just... No. No, no, no, and no. I don't think it's justifiable, in any case. Mrs. Faust may say that she's proud of her "bronies," but even she herself said it's for little girls AND their parents, including their fathers. Those males that are watching it... Well, how many of them have daughters? wink.gif When you can answer me that all of them do, only then will I find it acceptable. Until then... No.

So... basically any adult, that does not have any kids (currently or ever) that likes to watch cartoons (and in some cases pure CGI movies/shows) are not considered mature to you? Do you hold the same view with adults that play video games? How about eating kids cereal?

 

I am an adult, 34 year-old, military vet (that never wants kids)...and I do all of those things.

 

Do you still consider me 'lacking' in maturity?

 

Believe it or not...a number of traditionally considered 'kids' things are marketed toward adults. A big chunk of Japanese Anime, for instance, is strickly for adults. Toys? Many action figures are meant solely for teen/adults. A lot of people are still into Legos even in their adult years as well. Comic books? Actually the majority of the people buying comics these days are adults and the industry has been trying to get the younger crowd back into them.

 

Maturity has little, if anything, to do with how much someone should enjoy something.

 

And heck...IMO a some of those 'kid' targeted shows/movies are a better than the majority of the 'adult' targeted stuff I've seen advertised lately....

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Y'know what? I'm a feminest AND sexist (oh, wait... wha-?), and this is definitely one thing that gets under my skin. I'm sorry to say this, but, honestly? Seriously? I can't stand it. To me, it's not so much about gender as it is MATURITY. But, yes. I do lean towards gender on it, too. Just... No. No, no, no, and no. I don't think it's justifiable, in any case. Mrs. Faust may say that she's proud of her "bronies," but even she herself said it's for little girls AND their parents, including their fathers. Those males that are watching it... Well, how many of them have daughters?  When you can answer me that all of them do, only then will I find it acceptable. Until then... No.

Basically, in response to GOTD, I'm with pretty much everyone else. And

 

I myself do not like the show. I saw a few episodes at one of my friends houses, and I really didn't like it. But they did, and I have just as much respect for them now as I did before.

 

Also, if we're supposed to follow under the guidelines of what things are 'boy' things and what are 'girl' things, we're going to make a lot of miserable children out there who are also insecure about what they like. It could only lead to more gender stereotypes. This isn't feminist at all. If you were truly a feminist you wouldn't say it's a little girl's show. Why is it a little girl's show? It's got ponies. It's got some pink ponies. Does that mean that it should only be a girl's show?

 

I'm fourteen, female, and I play football. Not tackle, but it might as well be. We play it on blacktop, shove people around, and usually someone gets hurt. I'm the only female who does it, and I'm respected in my class for doing it. Should I not be able to play football anymore? I love football, but it's a guy's sport. So, according to these guidelines, should I not be able to?

 

Not only is this sexist, this is a form of bigotry. You're judging the so-called 'bronies' just because they watch a show originally targeted for little kids. You know what? Some of my friends are bronies, and the ones that are are incredibly mature. They're in the International Bacceloriate Programme, get straight A's, are crazy hardworking and suuuper mature. As in, they act like little adults. So don't cut people down just because they watch some stupid show.

 

And honestly, I have more respect for bronies than the parents that let their kids watch things like Silence of the Lambs, The Shining, or Saw when they're barely nine. I've watched them, but little kids? No. That's just asking for trouble.

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Another common one is the Chick Flick. I know a few guys that call anything not specifically war and action, Chick Flick. As if a "real man" can't enjoy a good comedy or drama. The term is wayyy overused.

 

Also was a tomboy and played football. Loved Soccer. Had Star Wars, Legos and Godzila and tons of fluffy stuffed animals :3 And watched Transformers every chance I got. Love jewelry but I'm not fond of dresses.

 

Totally agree on the kids watching R movies. I remember watching poltergeist as a kid, scared the crap out of me.

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Another adult with a job that requires a lot of maturity (nursing) who watches cartoons and loves them, with a partner who also has a job requiring maturity (hospital pharmacy). I had to deal with four patients die this week and two cardiac arrests on my last shift. Please don't tell me I'm immature. My partner is currently doing home visits to mentally-unstable patients, which definitely requires maturity. And we both love watching Disney films (Lilo and Stitch is forever awesome!).

 

Coz you know what? It's nice to watch something that doesn't deal with the big issues when all day long you have to face mortality and the meaning of life. Sometimes it's good to let the child in you out to play. Who gives a monkey if my favourite film is aimed at little kids? I need that.

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It is, and I know, but, to me, women have been oppressed for all of history. Men hardly have been, unless they're homosexual or of "color." I'll admit, I dislike some men from time to time and the ones I dislike are the ones who have been known and proven to be sexist in my life. I guess it's because nearly all the men I've met in RL have used me, abused me, and basically treated me like censorkip.gif. I have very low tolerance for things as such, and it's made me sexist towards men. (For the record, I don't let these things happen, either. I fight back, but thee are just some people in your life that you can't get away from, such as your stepfather.)

While that is a shame to hear about, it doesn't excuse your behaviour. I have been used by both my exes. My father was physically and emotionally abusive, and my mother just let it happen to me. That doesn't stop me being an utter donkey to other men and/or women, and wouldn't excuse it either.

 

Don't sit there and judge everyone because they're bucking a trend when you're doing the same; it makes your argument weaker.

 

If you hold extremist views, expect them to be called on, and expect other people to call you rather rude things for being so narrow and unrelenting in your opinions. I personally don't see why I should receive any flak from you, given I wear a beard, climb mountains, cook over barbecues and gloriously defend my girlfriend from a druggie, and yet you are already biased against me because I'm a guy. So perhaps I should also reveal that I can knit and enjoy doing cross-stitch and am a nurse, coz it feels like I'm going to get flak off you coming both ways.

 

And who cares. I enjoy all those things.

 

(For the record everyone; I also don't wear pink nor do I watch My Little Pony ;~) )

Edited by Kestra15

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I think that something that should be remembered here is that: no one should be stopped from doing what they want to just because of their gender, as in "the only reason you can't do that is because you are a girl/boy". End of story. If you're a 40 yr old man who likes to watch My Little Pony, then by all means do so. I would only get concerned if he or she or whomever let the show dominate his or her life i.e no other social life except for watching MLP. That would ring some alarm bells in my head, but other than that, not really.

 

P.S: And yes, I agree that certain movies aren't fit for younger audiences, and that's why we have age limits. But if you're over that age limit, I don't see how someone should stop you from indulging in whatever you want to indulge.

 

ETA:

 

One of the interesting things that I found was that fantasy as in the genre, was originally a very much male-oriented genre, and we can see this reflected in a lot of the older writings, such as LOTR and in some of the more poorly written novels such as those generic ones where the guy goes off and saves everyone without a real plot in between. However, the influence of a growing female audience has actually changed the genre so that some people say that fantasy is more feminine compared to, say, sci-fi. Which I find funny because both of them were intended for mostly male audiences anyway, and I find the disparaging remarks towards fantasy for being "feminine" or "childish" ridiculous- sounds more like a "you took my playground, I'm going to say that it sucks!" sort of thing from the more hardcore macho male audience.

 

Anyways, does that mean that because fantasy was intended for a primarily male audience that I, as a girl, can't enjoy it? No. Does it mean that, as fantasy is viewed more and more as something childish, that I can't enjoy, say, Harry Potter? I don't think so.

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So, um, yeah. I think childrens' cartoons should be for children and adults' cartoons should be for adults.

Just came in here to say you must really hate me. rolleyes.gif

 

Also, I *like* pink. :3

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I must admit - I find MLP a little bit baffling.

 

My boyfriend has watched all of it (and he's a twenty-something science graduate) and persuaded me to watch the first couple of episodes because he thought it was quite good - and I really can't see the attraction. It's clearly a good program for kids (especially compared to some of the rubbishy stuff that's on the tv sometimes) but equally seemed to be definitely aimed at kids (contrasted to something like Toy Story, which was ostensibly a kids film that has some more grown up humour suggested in it and ends up being a great film for all ages). Perhaps I'm being overly cynical, but part of me does wonder if (some) of the popularity of MLP on the internet is more because it's a bit of a fad and seen as being 'cool' or 'alternative' at the moment?

 

One thing that really struck me was, had I not been told that Rainbow Dash was supposed to be a girl, I frankly wouldn't have thought that she was one. Not from the things she likes/does etc., but because her voice really sounds like a young boy's voice. I'm not sure why they had to make the 'boyish' girl pony sound so much like a boy that if I close my eyes when listening I can really imagine a boy speaking (I believe the voice actor has even said that she uses her 'little boy' voice for her?). Couldn't they have had a girl-sounding pony with the same behaviour? Or even have one of the 'girlier' ponies have the boyish voice too? It just seems a little like it's suggesting you can't *just* be a 'normal' girl and like 'boyish' things, you've practically got to *be* a boy? unsure.gif

 

...I may be reading too much into it blink.gif

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You ever hear the expression, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Well, a pony for a transformer makes the whole world go without silly entertainment.

 

Just because boys don't fall all over themselves with appreciation for your more 'boyish' tendencies and habits doesn't mean you need to reciprocate by disparaging things other people like.

Edited by Sadako

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GOTD, I'm not going to quote you mostly because there's a heck of a lot to quote.

 

I don't like MLP. I don't. It's a show about ponies. I think people shouldn't be judged because they watch it, though. Like I said, my friends are mature, serious people. They deal with a lot of crap at home, come from nothing, and have made something of themselves. Part of the reason they like it is because of the innocence of it all. It's lighthearted, I guess. But I'm not going to talk about that crap anymore. Clearly you're frustrated and at the end of talking about it, which is too bad, because I like a good debate.

 

You deal with a lot of crap, clearly. My life can be pretty complicated too, sometimes. My close family isn't bad, just frustrating. Honestly, I feel worse for my cousin, who deals with a lot of crap. She's a druggy going through rehab, got pregnant when she was nineteen, was sexually and verbally abused as a kid, and her son was taken from her by the father. She deals with a lot of stuff too. I live in a bad area. I mean, the people are bad, rather. Most of them are racist jerks or are sexist. I went through heck being who I am. I was accused of being lesbian and all that crap -and I'm barely fourteen. Sometimes people are just stupid.

 

I wasn't calling you a bigot, but rather your statement. You've gone through a lot, are clearly emotionally tied to the subject, and I wouldn't want to be rude or hurt your feelings. I'm deeply sorry if I offended you.

 

Just because some people in your area are jerks doesn't mean you have to judge people who share some affinities with them.

 

As horrible as it sounds, I'm friends with some sexist guys. Don't ask me how, I don't know. Somehow I found myself in their little cult-thing. But, being friends with them has helped me change their opinions. They started out very sexist and racist, and now they're really not. Some people can change, with a little guidance.

 

My point in all this is that judging doesn't help. Just because we will be judged in our lives doesn't mean we should do the same out of spite. It just means we should be the bigger person. And, if we act like the bigger person, we can help educate and teach them. I think that most people have potential. Not all, but young people. In my opinion, a lot in the world could be saved via education.

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There are some places that have gender distinction for a reason, such as public bathrooms. (Schools would not fair well without them. I can tell you that teenagers would NOT be able to handle this.)

You had better be very careful when travelling. MANY countries have unisex public washrooms these days(and even unisex changing rooms at swimming pools, though there are cubicles for the shy...) - and why is that a problem ? As long as - for those who are sensitive - the urinals are behind a wall - though why ? Many countries have open air urinals and men use them in front of passing pedestrians. The only issue I have with this is that women often end up having to pay to use the toilet; men have the option not to. Hey - that's sexism in action xd.png

 

I'm a girl and I can't stand MLP - simply because I find it dull and because the actual toys are unpleasantly squidgy and that bugs me. But I would defend to the death other people's right to watch it - whoever they are.

Well, no. No-one should have to die over a cartoon...

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BTW, a great take on gendered advertising

 

http://nothingbutawordbag.wordpress.com/20...ets-on-my-tits/

 

As we all know, life as a women is spent mostly worrying about being bloated, and shoving endless tubs of yoghurt into our faces in an effort to remove said bloat.

 

But sometimes I think advertising marketed at men is even more patronising than advertising marketed at women.  Every single product consumed has to somehow be a tiresome test of your masculinity. CAN YOU EAT THIS THING EVEN THOUGH IT’S ****ING MASSIVE?? CAN YOU LIFT THIS THING EVEN THOUGH IT’S IRRITATINGLY CUMBERSOME?? HOW MANY BLADES DOES YOUR RAZOR HAVE??? ONLY FOUR?! WHAT A WUSS, MINE HAS SEVENTEEN.

 

(I think my favourite product name for Gillette razors has to be the Gilette Fusion Power Phantom. It has five blades and probably roars. The female equivalent is the Gilette Venus Spa Breeze, which is apparently “infused with a white tea scent”. Hey, Gillette? censorkip.gif off. If I want a cup of tea, I’ll have a cup of tea.)

 

Cereals are another biggun in the “PROVE YOUR MASCULINITY” stakes.

 

All Bran for women. Feeling bloated? Sluggish? All Bran can set you up for the day and give you the energy to do all those chores your censorkip.gif*** husband can’t be arsed to do. Why not try it with some yoghurt? Delish!

 

All Bran for men. MAN BRAN! MASSIVE CHUNKS OF BRAN SO HUGE YOU CAN BARELY FIT THEM IN YOUR GOB! THIS CEREAL TRULY IS A CHALLENGE! IT’LL RIP YOU UP ON THE WAY OUT!

 

These are not real blurbs, but I think what they tell us about advertising is true.

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