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Mature rated games and underage gamers.

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( ohmy.gif wasnt it A? i thought they retired that rating!

Nope. It's just not being used very often because games with an A-rating pretty much have to be sold in adult-only stores.

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I think it's totally ok, just like how some kids see pg-13 movies that aren't 13

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"All you little kids replying to this: please stop playing video games and do some homework. None of you can spell, punctuate or form a complete sentence. This is one of the reasons you shouldn't be playing ANY games, let alone M rated ones.

If you ABSOLUTELY NEED to play an M rated games just don't use the mic. NO ONE wants to hear what you have to say, even if you're not being loud and obnoxious. Even if you think you are mature, NO ONE wants to hear what you have to say. That's why we play M rated games! Instead of making 15 people mute you, how about just don't use the mic."

 

Haha so true. If your underage and play a mature game, at least act a little mature in the presence of adults. I fully support doing your homework, and concentrating at least an hour a day at home to your education also. While mature games are more "thrilling" for underage players, there are a lot of kids who get instant mutes when I used to play Xbox Live. But there were also a lot of kids I gave my respect to IF they were acting like an adult. AND there are a lot of adults, male and female, that act like kids, while they are adults and I connect better with them in game, I find some are just as bad as the kids that annoy me.

 

But still, its illegal to sell a game to a underage customer, and I am assuming its illegal to allow a underage gamer to play a game without their parents permission.

 

I generally dont have any other issues. If I had kids, it would probably be a different story and I would attempt to get my children involved in activities at the sports center, the library, finding a job, after school work, meeting family, and doing homework rather than playing games. Slightly hypocritical I know, but as a parent you want to protect your child.

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-sighs-

My little brother is a perfect example for this...-drops head in shame-

 

He is underage and he owns/plays nothing but 'M' rated Xbox 360 games on Live. I swear that our family had an amazing relationship until we got that stupid thing. It was gradual, but now if you try to get him off of that thing then he throws a hissy fit. He won't do chores without a fuss, rushes through things to get on, and he never talks to us for more than five minutes tops before he goes to get back on 'his' Xbox 360. And I say 'his' because our parents got it for both of us a few years back. Whenever I wanted a turn to play one of my games he never let me play without me getting our parents involved.

 

Now all that he talks about is guns, blowing things up, killing people, and how cool destruction is. He just turned 16 last month! One day I was with him when he was buying a 'M' rated game and the salesman didn't even ask for an ID! Neither of us was 18, and our parents were nowhere in sight!

 

Ever since he started playing that censorkip.gif thing our family has become so strained that we can't even talk around the dinner table. It censorkip.gif hurts! Whenever I talk to girls with younger brothers they always talk about how great their relationship is with their brother and breaks my heart to know that I don't have that with my brother anymore. If I ever want to talk to my brother about something he always brushes me off like dust on his shoulder, his game is more important than his family and that's what hurts me the most.

 

I'm not really against underage gamming, but it should be in moderation and the parents need to be able to intervene when necessary. I praise the heavens when my parents take the Xbox away from my brother just because I can start to have a relationship with him again, but that goes away immediately when he gets it back. My parents aren't good with threats to take it away because of his attitude either, all they make are empty threats and my brother knows it so he doesn't take it seriously.

 

-sighs- But I think that I've ranted enough. My brother is smart when he wants to be, he is a great student, but the Xbox distracts him and makes him violent. Sometimes I wish that my parents never got it for us just for the selfish fact that I want a better relationship with my little brother.

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If it's any consolation, SkyeDragon, in my 20 years of life I've never met a single person who was telling the truth when they said their relationships with their siblings were anything more than a disaster.

 

However, it does sound like your brother got hooked too fast, too soon because of a lack of parental supervision and control. Some kids just can't handle the same games others can at the same ages.

 

My parents deemed me ready for my first M rated game by twelve but my brother will be fourteen next month and even has his T rated games inspected and tested by our dad or a family friend first before he's allowed to play them, just to show differences of maturity within a family. Outside the family, I know thirty year olds that I don't see as mature enough for anything more adult than The Sims.

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He did get hooked too fast and too young, neither of my parents are bit-time gamming, they both grew up playing outside because their parents kicked them out to go and play after their homework was done. Both my parents were much stricter with me than they are with my brother, but I think that is because I'm the oldest and he is the second/youngest. The fact that I'm a girl and he's a boy could also be tossed into the mix.

 

I think that the reason why they weren't really that strict when we got the Xbox was because we had the Gamecube and the Wii before-hand and they didn't offer a lot of 'M' rated games. So when my brother started to get those games they just kind of brushed it off.

 

I played 'M' rated games when I was underage, but I was always more mature than other kids my age so my parents knew that I could handle it and I was able to get off the system when I was told and I would do what my parents wanted me to. Now I don't even bother to try and get on the Xbox because of my brother's reactions and I don't want to stress out my parents. Then again the only thing that I'll play on the Xbox now is American Idol. laugh.gif

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I have a pretty strong opinion on this.

I think that the age that any particular person is "mature" enough to handle an M rated game varies drastically on the person, their upbringing, the game, and other factors.

 

I was about 12 when I started playing M rated games, though I mainly stuck to Halo and other FPS games. My parents limited me to about a half hour a day, and the xbox was in the living room with them around. I was mature enough to handle the games I played, and my parents were always there to confirm this.

 

With parental supervision, I think that anyone should be allowed to play any game. If the parents believe that their child is mature enough to handle it, then that's fine by me.

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With parental supervision, I think that anyone should be allowed to play any game. If the parents believe that their child is mature enough to handle it, then that's fine by me.

I think there a problems with this when parents' decisions are the wrong one and the child is obviously not mature enough for the game.

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I have a pretty strong opinion on this.

I think that the age that any particular person is "mature" enough to handle an M rated game varies drastically on the person, their upbringing, the game, and other factors.

 

I was about 12 when I started playing M rated games, though I mainly stuck to Halo and other FPS games. My parents limited me to about a half hour a day, and the xbox was in the living room with them around. I was mature enough to handle the games I played, and my parents were always there to confirm this.

 

With parental supervision, I think that anyone should be allowed to play any game. If the parents believe that their child is mature enough to handle it, then that's fine by me.

Totally 100% agree with Kiffren.

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With parental supervision, I think that anyone should be allowed to play any game. If the parents believe that their child is mature enough to handle it, then that's fine by me.

Agreed.

 

Now, if only more parents were that involved, there wouldn't be the issue... Too bad most parents don't monitor their kids that much and don't know if they're mature enough to handle it or not and end up getting them a game that really just isn't a match for their maturity level at all...

 

 

But that's great that your parents were so involved in making sure that you were mature enough, and that as a result you were able to enjoy the games in an appropriate manner.

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Actually this thread has made me think a lot about what a unique situation I've been in with videogames. I tested games for a pawn shop for almost three years off and on, so even being in a secondhand shop and watching kids pick up games that I knew were extremely over the top or were more age appropriate and taking them to mom or dad, nine times out of ten the parents bought it without even looking at the label unless I spoke up. When the parents heard about the violence levels or swearing or worse from someone who had played it, they tended to put it back far more often.

 

If I had kids, it would also put me in an interesting situation then, too, but...yeah...me and kids is just a recipe for disaster. I have no patience for anyone under 14 unless they are very mature for their age...and most of the people I actually enjoy talking to are in their thirties and forties.

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my parents dont let me play M rated games, and i personally prefer not to anyways. some T games are fine, but they are aware of what goes on in the game. I even check whats on the game and tell them. i really like how parents who buy their 7 year old call of duty and say

 

"oh noes little jimmeh hes jst so fond of that game im afraid of what will hppn to him! what should i do?"

 

i really dont like 5-10 year olds playing those kinds of games. its not appropriate and they become really bratty over time. if the child is older, on the other hand and understands that that kind of behavior is not good and parents have given permission then i dont see a problem.

 

its also how they use the live feature to talk with people. they scream and cry if they die or they dont get to do anything and people are saying thats how the game works, which only makes them angrier. kids very young really shouldnt play those games in my opinion.

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NightLovesFantasies I'm going to have to disagree on the whole 5-10 and becoming bratty. I was playing Quake at that age and could handle it. I knew it was fake and was taught that way. That is the big issue. No one wants to teach their children anything anymore. They just want to hand them something so they are out of the road then wonder why they are such little brats and then point their finger at the game. It's not it's them. They wont get it. So if I ever have kids I will teach them that. I won't let them go around believing a video game is real they act like a little brat I will take it off them. They need to be taught that that is just how the game is and how it's supposed to be. It's not a part of real life.

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I'm inclined to agree with Demi. Much as I do hate when parents buy those for their kids, it's usually because the parent really does give off that "I'm buying it for my kid to shut them up/all their little friends are playing it who cares what's in it" vibe, not "I'm allowing my child to play this, possibly with supervision, because I believe my child is able to distinguish fantasy from reality well enough to understand that it's not to be emulated in real life, and that they understand that not everything will go their way in the game and not pitch a little fit if they aren't winning".

 

 

That said, I do still think that there are some games that just are not appropriate for that age group no matter how well you teach your kid. Not every M game, but some of 'em.

 

I mean, they do have ratings for a reason...

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I'm inclined to agree with Demi. Much as I do hate when parents buy those for their kids, it's usually because the parent really does give off that "I'm buying it for my kid to shut them up/all their little friends are playing it who cares what's in it" vibe, not "I'm allowing my child to play this, possibly with supervision, because I believe my child is able to distinguish fantasy from reality well enough to understand that it's not to be emulated in real life, and that they understand that not everything will go their way in the game and not pitch a little fit if they aren't winning".

 

 

That said, I do still think that there are some games that just are not appropriate for that age group no matter how well you teach your kid. Not every M game, but some of 'em.

 

I mean, they do have ratings for a reason...

I can agree with the last part. Some of them that are rated M should be left for later. I don't think kids at that age should be playing a game that's got porn (i think theres been a few games out like that, can't fully remember atm) or really graphic content.

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If it's outright porn, I'm pretty sure it's AO, unless they got something past the radar. I remember there being that GTA game that got re-rated after the porno mini-game was discovered.

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well not all of the kids, alot.png of the kids like you mentioned realize its not real and handle everything that goes on. the parents who just toss their kid a game and say "guns are bad, now go play it because i want to watch TV", their kids end up as brats. some parents on the other hand explain to their kids its fake, this behavior is wrong, but i know youll understand and realize this. those kids grow up just fine.

 

but there are M games thats OK for kids like that, but some are out of the question but parents just give it to them so theyll be entertained without bothering to tell them anything.

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well not all of the kids, alot.png of the kids like you mentioned realize its not real and handle everything that goes on. the parents who just toss their kid a game and say "guns are bad, now go play it because i want to watch TV", their kids end up as brats. some parents on the other hand explain to their kids its fake, this behavior is wrong, but i know youll understand and realize this. those kids grow up just fine.

 

but there are M games thats OK for kids like that, but some are out of the question but parents just give it to them so theyll be entertained without bothering to tell them anything.

Yeah and that's where you get those crazy kids. I get roleplaying it out just for fun but believing it and trying to literally act it out is different. At my school when I was in cisco the teacher left me and two other guys in the class alone playing CoD 2 multiplayer and he was gone for about a half hour or so and we didn't budge or anything. I know a guy who if he was in there would have done something because he was a spoiled little brat and thought because mommy and daddy had money he could do anything. Not the point but yeah. -lol-

 

@KageSora

 

GTA is the one I was thinking about. The other one never heard of in my life thanks for warning me though! biggrin.gif

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I don't have a problem with crude language, sexual content or violence. Mostly because I think they open a conversation. The place I have the most issue with is games that involve chat or player communication. Because that you can't control, and you cannot rate.

 

Sure DC (just for example - it could be ANY Multi-Player Game) can take all the safety steps in the world to protect a family friendly atmosphere, but there is only so far you can go. And I'm not really worried about the underaged as much as I do the adults who are "just being helpful or a guiding hand". The only thing I worry about for almost any age is they think the internet world and its people are "real." Its not, and its going to take several very awkward and upsetting situations before this lesson is learned. You can lecture people about it all you want. They either have learned on their own or don't really care because its such a nicer place to live than the real world. And also the parent or adult just isn't going to always understand what is or is not normal behavior anymore.

 

Here is my example. I was sitting in IRC and some nice person (tween to young teen) asked me in a message if I had a fursona I wanted to have drawn or whatever artform. I proceeded to yell at that person and let them know I do not appreciate being solicited for sexual fetishes and used very harsh language to let them know that if they ever spoke to me again about anything relating to Furries or sexually related topics I would report them to a Mod. As you would expect, the poor person was really upset and had no idea what I was talking about and had no idea why I flew off the handle much less why I would want to report them for indecent behavior.

 

WhatTheHeck - how was I supposed to know that its a pretty normal thing for kids and young adults to grow up with anthropromorphic avatars and/or pokemon or whatever characters. I am bewildered at the things people discuss in normal "family friendly" places now because .... I'm not young enough anymore to understand. Like I have to try really really really hard to remember not to be offended but yet at the same time realize that just because people talk about abc subjects now and its normal, I should NOT bring xyz subjects because those are still not appropriate.

 

Of course, prior to this, I played another game touted as "family friendly" and I could not even begin to start explaining the stuff that was not only allowed to go on, but encouraged. And they advertised as a Family friendly pro-religion place. And if in this post I am sounding prudish, let me clarify to let you know I am a highly deranged being. But I'm not here to discuss that. I am here to collect pixels and and click buttons.

 

I didn't really mean to drag the conversation beyond "video games," but I want to say its not just the "underaged" who suffer thru this. This is a really huge concern for me personally trying to be at least a semi-responsible adult. And I honestly think the problem doesn't lie in the video games if its a single player or with real friends. I think the issue is when you open it up to the internet. Then it turns into an entirely different kettle of bad apples. (Mixed Metaphors - Teams Win!!)

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My ten year old brother is allowed to play Halo, but that's the only M game he's allowed to play because apparently the other ones are too violent/too much cursing. He's mature enough to understand that it's fake and you shouldn't acually go around shooting people with guns and killing them with zombie-swords.

 

Before my parents let him buy any game, my dad always checks what's in it. I guess 10 year olds shouldn't be playing Halo, but if they're mature enough, I suppose it'd be okay.

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It's not always that way, but impressionable kids tend to carry out behaviors they are exposed to if it's deemed 'fun'.

If a kid is so impressionable that they play games where they kill people, think "hey man that's totally cool", and later murder people/start becoming violent censorkip.gif*bags because of that... Sorry, dude, I'm afraid not all the Sunday school, banning of bad language, and lack of violent video games in the world could have saved the little prick.

 

I honestly hate that argument so much. If someone is that impressionable, chances are they are going to grow up to be a complete censorkip.gif** anyway, doesn't mean we have to lock all of the toys away because of them.

 

Some people like M rated shows. Some people like M rated games. I watched Drawn Together when I was younger, and my favourite game was Resident Evil 4 (but I watched my sister play that one, so). It depends on the person. Just because you're 18 doesn't mean you magically have the maturity for these kinds of things. Same with people below that age who apparently don't.

 

It's all a matter of preference, is what I'm saying. I think the limits we have on it now are good enough. This shouldn't be such a controversial topic lol. If a kid wants to play a mature game, chances are they're going to find a way to do it. And, um. Bully for them. =U

 

Edit: Also, my god, what is with the whole "oh, if you murder someone, that's ok. WHAT. A NIPPLE. RATED R, RATED R!" stance? Don't have such double standards. xd.png If you're going to give it a high rating for sex, make sure you're also giving it a high rating for violence. Gah. I hate that.

Edited by Zovesta

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I'm what you'd call one of the "younger" people [not really specifying my age here], but I am allowed to play whatever games as long as my parents/family KNOW what's in it and whether I can be trusted not to act like I do in the game [as in, not shoot people and run people over with ambulances in Grand Theft Auto].

 

In my opinion, as long as you have your parent/guardian's permission and you understand that it is a GAME [and not something you should try in real life], then you're good to go.

 

It depends on the person. Just because you're 18 doesn't mean you magically have the maturity for these kinds of things. Same with people below that age who apparently don't.

And I'd have to agree with Zovesta on this.

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Ratings for games are there for a reason, and it is not there to mess up or piss up kids or tenages, if it says the game is 16+ it is becouse it has a lot of violance, gore and inapropriate language, so it is not apropriate for someone under that age to play it. There is tons of good age apropriate games out there for every one so i dont understand why some 12 years old kid needs to play GTA or any other games that are rated 18+ or M. Even if som kids and tenagers are mature enough to handle games that are not ther age apropriate, they are still not mature enough to realize that they dont need to play such games even if those games are the best in the world.

If a 14 years old wuld be mature enough he wuld say i dont need to play 18+ rated games joust becouse every one on the world talks about it, but insted i will play a game that is rated 13+ and still have lots of fun playing it, he vuld say i dont need a geme full with violance, gore and inapropriate language to have fun in playing games, and only then is someone mature enough to play such games.

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If a 14 years old wuld be mature enough he wuld say i dont need to play 18+ rated games joust becouse every one on the world talks about it, but insted i will play a game that is rated 13+ and still have lots of fun playing it, he vuld say i dont need a geme full with violance, gore and inapropriate language to have fun in playing games, and only then is someone mature enough to play such games.

So does that mean I, a just-turned-15-year-old, am immature because I enjoy playing adult games and don't choose 13+ ones all the time?

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