Posted April 3, 2011 Loads differs from overloaded, and i already explained the logic above. And my logic differs from yours - big time. You can't make me younger just like that. Same difference. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 o.o uh okay? Why make a law that applies to everyone, but only a super small amount is affected? Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 Here is a reason not to make everyone wait. TJ implements this new thing, and then everyone has to wait 6 months to see what it will look like and how it will work? All the excitement of it will be gone by that time. You don't implement a new feature and then make everyone wait 6 months to be able to use it. No, just no. Sorry, but if you want people to be excited and interested in a new feature it has to go into use at once. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) Here is a reason not to make everyone wait. TJ implements this new thing, and then everyone has to wait 6 months to see what it will look like and how it will work? All the excitement of it will be gone by that time. You don't implement a new feature and then make everyone wait 6 months to be able to use it. No, just no. Sorry, but if you want people to be excited and interested in a new feature it has to go into use at once. But its just as intresting as having ascended dragons be regular sprites, right? Or are we gonna have even more limits to counter that. Edited April 3, 2011 by Kirbyburn Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) o.o uh okay? Why make a law that applies to everyone, but only a super small amount is affected? A super small amount ? Which group is that exactly ? You've been here a while so you won't have to wait. No-one who has been playing longer than six months will have to wait to try... What super-small group is potentially being affected here ? ETA and YES to Fiona BlueFire, too. Edited April 3, 2011 by fuzzbucket Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) A super small amount ? Which group is that exactly ? You've been here a while so you won't have to wait. No-one who has been playing longer than six months will have to wait to try... What super-small group is potentially being affected here ? ETA and YES to Fiona BlueFire, too. The 5.99~ month group. If around 1300 stable people join dc every month, then 7k-ish will be affected. But really its only around 30% of those people getting a significant cooldown. Edited April 3, 2011 by Kirbyburn Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) Excuse me again, my grammar is just getting worse and worse. Then whats the point of having a longish wait? Barely anyone is going to be waiting, and its not like we're getting overloaded with new players everyday. In a RP sense..."A dragon has just figured out the true path to ascenscion, everyone must change their ways inorder to achieve this state, older dragons may find it harder to do so having only been accustomed to how they currently live." Italics=I was being a little sarcastic. The wait isn't just for new players. It's also there for new dragons older players want to ascend. Or for freshly released dragons, giving the artists some time to actually work on ascended sprites. (Why put in the work for an ascended if your dragons didn't even get releases?) So, when we have New Release No. X, everybody has to wait for 6 months to ascend the new dragons, and you can bet that I'll be one of those players who'll wait eagerly for them to be able to reach a new stage. Without complaining that I'm an old player and should be able to ascend now. Edited April 3, 2011 by olympe Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 Well if there isnt some kind of delay time, everyone could just get a dragon now, and right when it comes out, everyone would ascend making the wait completely pointless. Earliest players have waiting near'bout five years now. I see no problem with starting at the age your dragon is, as long as that's codeable. However, in the case it's not codeable to count everyone's age: Here is a reason not to make everyone wait. TJ implements this new thing, and then everyone has to wait 6 months to see what it will look like and how it will work? All the excitement of it will be gone by that time. You don't implement a new feature and then make everyone wait 6 months to be able to use it. No, just no. Sorry, but if you want people to be excited and interested in a new feature it has to go into use at once. Put in a tracker and only announce the BSA once people are going to be able to use it. IF we are giving them better breeding rates or better BSAs or whatnot, I'll agree to everyone starting at 0, but that isn't going to solve the "problem" of everyone ascending at once. And, yes, I see that's not the "problem" that you've pointed out. (Note, I don't have a problem with this. Even though most users have said they will only ascend a couple. I'm sure there are users who will ascend a ton, and I really, really, really have absolutely no problem with that. ^^) Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 Well if there isnt some kind of delay time, everyone could just get a dragon now, and right when it comes out, everyone would ascend making the wait completely pointless. I'm really against this idea. I don't see the point. Oh gee, a new user can't use it right away. Well, tough, that's the way the game works. New users can't use BSAs right away, or breed right away, and it's unlikely they'll get a rare right away. Should ever time a BSA is released, everybody who currently has that dragon be forced to wait at least a week to simulate the minimum time it takes for an egg to hatch and mature? I don't get why older users have to be penalized to make it "fair" to new users--games should not be designed in a way that caters to new players while punishing older players. New players are never going to start out on the same level as the older players. The older players will have experience, they will have had time to amass stuff. To make it "fair" to newer players, should they be allowed to get retired breeds, then? I mean, it's not really all that fair that us older players have Frills and Bright Pinks, but newer players can't have them. It's not really fair that some of us older players have several rares but newer players don't have any. We older players have already put in the time to wait, why should we be forced to wait even longer? It makes no sense to me. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 I'm really against this idea. I don't see the point. Oh gee, a new user can't use it right away. Well, tough, that's the way the game works. New users can't use BSAs right away, or breed right away, and it's unlikely they'll get a rare right away. Should ever time a BSA is released, everybody who currently has that dragon be forced to wait at least a week to simulate the minimum time it takes for an egg to hatch and mature? I don't get why older users have to be penalized to make it "fair" to new users--games should not be designed in a way that caters to new players while punishing older players. New players are never going to start out on the same level as the older players. The older players will have experience, they will have had time to amass stuff. To make it "fair" to newer players, should they be allowed to get retired breeds, then? I mean, it's not really all that fair that us older players have Frills and Bright Pinks, but newer players can't have them. It's not really fair that some of us older players have several rares but newer players don't have any. We older players have already put in the time to wait, why should we be forced to wait even longer? It makes no sense to me. ^this^ Making older players mark time is NOT being fair. It's like giving your younger sister the same pocket money as you get although you are four years older and at her age got lots less... *is still mad about that* Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 Excuse me again, my grammar is just getting worse and worse. Then whats the point of having a longish wait? Barely anyone is going to be waiting, and its not like we're getting overloaded with new players everyday. In a RP sense..."A dragon has just figured out the true path to ascenscion, everyone must change their ways inorder to achieve this state, older dragons may find it harder to do so having only been accustomed to how they currently live." Italics=I was being a little sarcastic. Italics usually equal emphasis. Not sarcasm. Speech through text fail on your part. Anyways... That's why there was a proposed, flat fail rate. To keep people from getting a successful ascension each time they try. You also have to take into account the new breeds that will be released and able to ascend. We'll still have to wait 6 months to ascend them, or longer depending on if a sprite is available. Your in context roleplay example makes no sense. enlightenment is not always reached in the same way by different people. Sometimes, yes, but not always. There will always be the exception to the norm. If ascension, in context, is truly based on the dragon's life experience and knowledge of their own unique abilities and attributes, why should they have to "change their ways"? Especially if the dragon who discovered this "new way" is of a different breed. It would be like a carpenter trying to tell me how french a rack of lamb. It's not their field, they wouldn't know how to do it properly, where I would. It makes no sense for every player to start off at square one, especially if there's a fail rate implemented. Totally agreeing with Kagesora and Fiona on this one. Your logic makes no sense, Kirby. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 3, 2011 Completely agree with everyone who has said no to everyone starting at 0 months. It really *doesn't* make sense, honestly. In a general game-sense, it doesn't make sense for a new feature to be rolled out if *no one* can use it for 6 months or more. If the feature isn't usable at all, for anyone, for 6 months... It just doesn't make sense. TJ doesn't release new dragons and say "no one can grab these for 6 months!". He doesn't push out a new BSA (like vamp bites or influence or any of the others we have) and say it's unusable for 6 months. It just doesn't work that way. And in-game it doesn't make sense either. So I have a dragon who is 2 1/2 real-time years old, and the BSA says that they have to be 6 months old to attempt to Ascend... so my 2 1/2 year old *still* has to wait 6 months? That makes no sense at all. If a dragon has to be 6 months old to attempt Ascend, it has to be 6 months old. Not "6 months from when the feature is released". That just doesn't make sense. The point of the wait, from what I can see, is because of what Ascend is. It's not to make sure everyone doesn't use it at the same time, it's not even to make it harder or more frustrating for users... it's because Ascend is based on the idea that a wise/old dragon can change form. Can "ascend" to a different sprite/look. It doesn't make sense to have that kind of feature available as soon as the dragon grows up... And it also doesn't make sense to have to make already-old dragons wait even longer just because the feature was just released. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 I've got to say, I really dislike this idea. depending on how different the ascended sprites are from normal (and it seems like they'd have to be pretty different to be special), this would screw up a lot of my lineage projects. It would make me sad. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 Well, calankh, you don't have to Ascend any of your dragons if you don't want to. And if you mean lineage projects as in lineages that contain dragons you don't own, well that's not your concern. If you don't own the dragon, you have no claim to it and wanting to keep a pretty lineage doesn't really matter. That's why we have the whole "no begging for abandoned eggs to be returned" rule... Once a dragon is off your scroll, you aren't allowed to try to influence what happens to it. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 After reading this thread, I think people are taking the realism a bit too seriously. I mean, things should make sense, but it doesn't need to be to a ridiculous degree. A good example would be ''Once they hit adolescence, hatchlings change quickly, maturing to their full forms in only 2 years.'' But wait. The game doesn't make you wait years for them to grow up! This makes no sense! Thats because its a game. If everyone had to wait months in order to see if a breeding was even successful, or wait years for something to grow up, no one would play DC. I'd have to agree with needing to wait 6 months or whatever, and then being able to try ascending. Everyone shouldn't need to wait 6 months from the release either. That would be like releasing the GON's and then telling everyone no one can get one until everyone has a full set of trios. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 Everyone shouldn't need to wait 6 months from the release either. That would be like releasing the GON's and then telling everyone no one can get one until everyone has a full set of trios. Perfect example! Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 i think it should be like the Magikarp badge you have to work at it to get it to ascend! Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 I've got to say, I really dislike this idea. depending on how different the ascended sprites are from normal (and it seems like they'd have to be pretty different to be special), this would screw up a lot of my lineage projects. It would make me sad. The dragons in your lineages would be the same BREED, just ascended forms. I can't get too worried about that... They'd still look pretty Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) The point of the longish wait is so that ascension is something new to do for players who have been here longer. They have 'waited' for their dragons to ascend ever since they started playing (or at least since it was first suggested on this forum ), so why make them wait even longer? Edit: oops, again I missed a whole page... This point was already made in a much better way by a few others Edited April 4, 2011 by Fengari Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 I'm nit sure if this has been asked, but are holidays ascendable? They shouldn't be; some people froze one hatchling, and won't want to ascend their adult (Like me). Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 PieMaster -- no, I think it was agreed that none of the dragons with a scroll limit should be able to ascend, quite probably for the reason you just specified. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 Given that we don't ACTUALLY know if this will ever happen and we don't know if the spriters of the holiday dragons ever made sprites or would want them made - I don't think this can be answered. BUT - as far as I know - and I certainly hope - ascension will NOT be automatic. So if it comes and if they are - if you don't want to ascend your holiday - just don't do it ! Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 I am curious as to wether this whole Ascension idea was inspired by a certain MMO which has Dragons as one of the most popular playable characters... Hmm... I wonder... -Carma Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 No, if you can let your dragons ascend, then with no failure rate. Otherwise, there'll be drama: I tried to ascend my dragon 7 times now, but I always failed. Share this post Link to post
Posted April 4, 2011 No, if you can let your dragons ascend, then with no failure rate. Otherwise, there'll be drama: I tried to ascend my dragon 7 times now, but I always failed. That was why the failure rate was proposed to be fairly low--so that you're practically guaranteed to get one in the first few tries. Not like Summon. You'd have to be insanely unlucky to not get one in a few tries if the proposed low failure rate was used. Share this post Link to post
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