Do you want there to be more CB metallics?

[Jaceevoke]

This is a topic that can show you how you can help change the dragon cave for the better. So we all know how valuable a metallic dragon is right? And A cave born metallic is twice as rare right. So I was thinking about the basic mechanics of the game on how the system decided which dragons to put in the cave, it all has to do with ratios. Basically the more a dragon is bred the less likely that it will be in the cave. So I realized something, a way to help every one get what they want Cave born metallics. but I need every ones help in order to do this. What we have to do is stop breeding the existing Metallics and breed more of the commons. So all of the players that have metallics need to stop breeding them so that the ratios make the game release more of them into the cave. Now I know many players don't have metallics, but that doesn't mean that you can't help. What you need to do is just breed your commons together instead of just getting them at the cave. If we can do this then we will change the ratios so that the system is less likely to put extremely common dragons and more likely to release metallics. What do you guys think?

Edited February 1, 2011 by Jaceevoke

[Itouch]

You would think that this is true but its validity has been tested with other projects such as the one that requests to stop breeding blacks for more CBs. But we must remember that this is not exactly going to happen. We have no clue whether the ratios are for the amount of those dragons owned and bred or just the standard ratio of them in the cave drops.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Itouch

[miladyz]

Technically this would work, but I feel that people wouldn't want to stop breeding their metallics.

[WraithZephyr]

What we have to do is stop breeding the existing Metallics and breed more of the commons. So all of the players that have metallics need to stop breeding them so that the ratios make the game release more of them into the cave.

Your method is very flawed because there are hundreds upon hundreds of people who breed their dragons regularly but do not visit the forums to even see your request...you will not get them to stop breeding their metallics.

[kadoatie]

I'm pretty sure this would work if everyone followed it.

 

It's a "tragedy of the commons" problem. Everyone, including yours truly, individually benefits from breeding their metals, so we make up excuses about why it doesn't matter if we keep doing so. The overall benefit that results from actually not breeding metals, split over everyone, is so small that each individual person doesn't want to do it...

 

So here we are. :B

 

(This is the reason I don't usually breed any of my dragons over 4th gen, though, or 60%+ of my metal population.)

Edited February 1, 2011 by kadoatie

[blackdragonqueen]

Actually, I've been seeing more and more Cave Born metallic recently. Not only in all the click sites but in the actual cave. I myself have been a member for over a year but never really saw any metallic in the cave till these past few months and I finally got my first cave born metallic this past month! (a silver) Not 10 minutes later the cave dropped another one! (gold) which I missed while still squeeing over the silver.

 

They are dropping but maybe once or twice a day or so? *shrugs*

 

 

EDIT-Me speak not so good.

Edited February 1, 2011 by blackdragonqueen

[purpledragonclaw]

I think WraithZephyr has a point, it would take an effort by not just forum members or lurkers but a huge chunk of players, and that's a variable we can't rely on.

 

Blackdragonqueen, you saw a CB metallic???? I haven't seen one in probably a year!

[blackdragonqueen]

Blackdragonqueen, you saw a CB metallic???? I haven't seen one in probably a year!

I think TJ and the others are trying to help out all us newer players in getting the rarer eggs which is why I've been seeing them more once every 2 weeks or so as opposed to never. The Bioms (sp?) will probably help with this problem as well. Asking people to stop breeding metals cold turkey would be difficult however. Kallipso (my friend) never uses the forum so I bet many other players don't either and do not know of this issue. Also many other players are joining all the time and clamoring for metals of any gen/line.

 

It's basically supply and demand and the demand is still too high.

 

@ purpledragonclaw: Spotting them, yes. At odd times of the day too. Clicking them is a whole other matter, especially with my rather slow connection. Could have knocked me over with a feather when I snagged the silver.

[SnowSherry]

Well, breeding already produces tons of commons for each rare so this may actually exacerbate the situation

[Stripey]

Another thing that would increase the ratio of CB metallics, is for people to kill the bred ones they have.

 

Just as useful, just as practical, and just as likely to happen.

[HeatherMarie]

What you need to do is just breed your commons together instead of just getting them at the cave. If we can do this then we will change the ratios so that the system is less likely to put extremely common dragons and more likely to release metallics. What do you guys think?

.... How exactly is breeding more commons going to make there be more rares in the cave? That doesn't make sense at all. If absolutely no one bred their rares, *that* might work. But telling people to breed commons is basically telling them to clog the AP with even more unwanted eggs. Why even include that? If you don't want people to breed their rares, that's one thing. But stopping breeding rares *and* starting to breed commons more will only result in more unwanted eggs, which no one wants.

[Jaceevoke]

Marie19R the reason why I told people to breed their common is all due to the ratios, so if people breed their commons the commons are less likely to be in the cave. I know that if people did that the AP would get a lot more commons, but there are groups set up for dealing with that. So it would be set up so that the cave is more likely to give rares and less likely to give commons

Edited February 1, 2011 by Jaceevoke

[HeatherMarie]

Less commons in the cave doesn't mean more rares, tho. They are completely seperate.

[tehjohnli]

I mean, who doesn't want more CB metallics.

 

The problem is the ratios. People want to breed more metallics, so there's less CB metallics. I highly doubt that you can get enough people to not breed their metallics to significantly change the amount of CB metallics. :/

 

Hopefully, when biomes come out, there'll be more CB metallics.

[Jaceevoke]

Marie19R while that is true in just the ratio form, but the cave can only have 3 eggs at a time so the less likely a egg is to turn up in the cave more likely other eggs will show up.

[RheaZen]

The cave does empty out...

[thiefofhearts]

you know there are a lot of players who would love to have any metallics, messy lineage, inbred or not and something like this would make it a lot harder for them to get one in general since all the CB metallics would still be considered rare and people would just use them for trade fodder or lineage projects.

 

and i think you are a little confused with the ratios, it's not that people need to breed more commons, it's people need to raise more commons, meaning that they need to be kept alive and on the scroll.

[skauble]

The problem is that if someone has a few metallics, and they don't believe that they will be able to catch a CB metallic even if more of them show up (because of hunting time limitations, connection issues, reflex speed, etc.), what will persuade those people not to breed the metallics that they already have?

 

The fact is that it doesn't work like this - breeding goes down = all the extra golds showing up in the cave. It's that when the ratio drops below a given number then golds increase in both breeding and the cave. So the people who were still breeding would still be getting a certain amount of the golds. Would there be more in the cave? Yes. But would there be so many that most people would think that they had such a good chance at getting them that they'd stop breeding their own? Probably not.

 

So some of the reason that this kind of plan never really seems to take is because of people's evaluation of the likelihood that they would catch a CB metallic even if the number of them does increase.

Edited February 1, 2011 by skauble

[Jaceevoke]

thiefofhearts I do know that a lot of players would like to have any metallic dragons, but unless they can get a linage, a rare on the AP, a vary genorous donator, or something like the giving tree, they are not going to be able to get one. While that might seem like a lot of ways you have to consider how many people play this game. Also I am not confused about the ratios, it is just that I thought that it could go unsaid since most people know about it.

[thiefofhearts]

thiefofhearts I do know that a lot of players would like to have any metallic dragons, but unless they can get a linage, a rare on the AP, a vary genorous donator, or something like the giving tree, they are not going to be able to get one. While that might seem like a lot of ways you have to consider how many people play this game. Also I am not confused about the ratios, it is just that I thought that it could go unsaid since most people know about it.

true but there are a lot of new players also or lurkers that won't know about it unless something is specifically stated. i kind of learned that lesson when i got my first set of christmas dragons, it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

anyway it just seemed like there was more of a focus on more CB metallics than just more metallics in general. i think people are a lot more likely to get metallics in AP than they are in the main cave simply because more people want CB *anything* as oppose to grabbing eggs that may be long lineaged or inbred. People who don't care about inbreds or lineages will have a much better "fighting chance" at those metallics than CBs, simply because even if there was a gold or silver sitting in AP, a lot of people will throw it back simply because "the lineage isn't pretty".

 

To them, they already have several metallics so they would value a dragon like that a lot less as oppose to a newer player who has no metallics. I'm pretty sure infact, that was the only way I could have gotten my two golds - was because other fast clickers didn't want them since they are long lineaged and inbred.

[Jaceevoke]

thiefofhearts I don't know about you but I hardly ever see a metallic in the AP, I for one have only seen one and that was during that rare breeding during christmas, also Even though some people might toss them back for every 1 of them there are 20 who would keep it

[thiefofhearts]

thiefofhearts I don't know about you but I hardly ever see a metallic in the AP, I for one have only seen one and that was during that rare breeding during christmas, also Even though some people might toss them back for every 1 of them there are 20 who would keep it

I see the frequently enough, though I think we all know it because the majority of those are because they are trades. Every once in a while though someone drops rares in order to give other or newer players opportunities they would otherwise not have.

 

Anyway while it may be true enough for every 1 person who tosses it back there are 20 that would keep it, the odds are still better than trying to get a CB since no one would abandon those - everyone wants those.

[HeatherMarie]

Apparently the OP things my responses in this thread were intended to "start trouble". That was not my intention. I was trying to voice my opinion about this suggestion, but obviously my opinion is not welcome. Guess I'll stay out of it.

[Stripey]

Apparently the OP things my responses in this thread were intended to "start trouble". That was not my intention. I was trying to voice my opinion about this suggestion, but obviously my opinion is not welcome. Guess I'll stay out of it.

Odd, I found your comment to have a good point that is relevant to the discussion.

 

Now, upon a second reading, my comment may be taken that way, but *shrug*

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