Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) Have you ever been pissed when your skywing X water/deepsea pair gave an egg, but it failed to be a bluna? Have you ever been pissed when your water X magi pair gave an egg, but it failed to be a goldfish? You might have not realised it then, but that moment was the birth of a fail egg! Have you ever thought about a bluna or a goldfish or an ultraviolet with pretty even or staircase lineages that only have the original breed in it? Then maybe you can value the fail eggs your failbreedings give: they are the next important step in a long, pretty lineage. This is a gathering place of failbred dragons, a place for contact, encouragement, gifting and trading eggs, and planning pretty lineages! There is no spreadsheet yet, but if I get help and ideas, I think it would be useful! What are the possible dragons in these lineage groups? Failbluna (fluna, faluna) dragons: Second-gen failbluna dragons come from a CB skywing and a CB water or deepsea. They are either skywings or water/deepsea, but never bluna. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. example Third even-gen failbluna dragons come from two failbluna second-gen dragons when the pair in theory could make a bluna egg. Like, a failbluna skywing bred with a second-gen failbluna deepsea or a second-gen failbluna water. At this point, it would be useful to decide whether your failblunas would have deepsea or water genes or maybe both of them. example (Any suggestion of the naming? How shall we call a failbluna that has deepsea genes but no water gene, and how shall we call a failbluna that has water genes but no deepsea? And how shall we call a failbluna who has both water and deepsea in its pedigree?) Staircase third-gen failbluna dragons come from a second-gen failbluna bred with a CB of the opposite breed. Again, it would be nice to know how to call a failbluna with deepsea, with water, or with both breeds. deepsea example water example Fourth even-gen failbluna dragons come from two even third gen failblunas. You guessed it right. Staircase fourth-gen failbluna dragons come from a third gen staircase failbluna bred with a CB of the certain breed. You guessed it right. Failshallow (fallow, failfish) dragons: Second-gen failshallow dragons come from a CB magi and a CB water. They are either water or magi, but never a shallow water goldfish dragon. Third even-gen failshallow dragons come from a second-gen failshallow magi bred with a second-gen failshallow water. example Staircase third-gen failshallow dragons come from a second-gen failshallow water bred with a CB magi or a second-gen failshallow magi bred with a CB water. Fourth even-gen failshallow dragons come from two even third gen failshallows. You guessed it right. example Staircase fourth-gen failshallow dragons come from a third gen staircase failshallow bred with a CB of the certain breed. You guessed it right. Failviolet dragons: Because laws of biology apply here! Mendel's law in Dragcave practice: F2 generation giving the parent's fenotype. Dragcave law in practice: a 5th gen stairstep of spitfire and ultraviolet. It looks like a fractal, doesn't it? Failpeace dragons: Like this beauty: http://dragcave.net/lineage/Ftcd4 Questions, answers What happens if I try to breed a failbluna or a failshallow or a failviolet, but I get a bluna / goldfish / ultraviolet? That means you failed to fail! Congratulations! Now you have a hard-to-get-breed dragon with an awesome lineage! bluna example goldfish example You can't use it in this project, anyway. Can I breed a resulting bluna or goldfish to a fail dragon? example Sure you can, but it's not what the project is about. Can I breed a resulting ultraviolet to a fail dragon? Sure you can, UV genetics are awesome and complicated. Because this can happen. Can I breed a failbluna water dragon to a failshallow magi dragon? Or a failbluna skywing dragon to a failshallow water dragon? Sure. That would be the epic fail! third gen example fifth gen example Can I include failviolet dragons in an epic fail project? It would be interesting to see these fail dragons in one neat lineage. For now, I will call them ultra fails! Any naming ideas or suggestion for the fail dragons of the lineage? Since we can rename our dragons now, you are free to rename all your fails with FAIL in their names. I don't recommend naming a CB dragon Fail, unless they failed to give you a bluna/goldfish EVER. You don't have to name the fails Fails, anyway. It's not the name that makes them fail..... If you want to join, please post here -your forum name -your scroll name -and whether you take part in the failbluna or failshallow or failviolet lineage projects. Failbluna participants: Emerald_Shadowclaw Darth Krande gravija Tamahaganae Moviegraphix Astreya olympe Xocowolf Sir Barton LightningRip Son_in_Aquarius Lilala Lolchen AlternateMew PonyGurl Peace*out Irys klinneah tjsweepers Failshallow participants: Emerald_Shadowclaw gravija Tamahaganae (later) Moviegraphix ElayneDragonLover olympe Sir Barton LightningRip Son_in_Aquarius Lilala PonyGurl Peace*out Irys Valfaris klinneah Participants of the epic fail: Lilala (third gen) Tamahaganae (fifth gen) Emerald_Shadowclaw (no egg yet) Failviolet participants: Sister of the Dragon Tamahaganae Dimar Participants of the ultra fail: herobrine745 Failhorse participants: Tamahaganae Failpeace participants: Lavinia Failgeode participants: Ha-Ki This is my first own lineage project, any help would be welcome! 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Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) Would this dragon count? /wants to breed to a failbluna http://dragcave.net/lineage/XPqE Forum and scroll name: Emerald_Shadowclaw Wants to take part in: Both~ EDIT: My planned name for the failbluna DOESN'T include fail, but the thing it's referring to is fail, so...that allowed? Edited January 23, 2011 by Emerald_Shadowclaw Share this post Link to post
Posted January 23, 2011 That is a pretty second-gen failshallow! She even has "fail" in her name. You don't have to name them Fail, it is only a suggestion. They fail when the egg is laid, when you can't even name them yet. Share this post Link to post
Posted January 23, 2011 I've bred so many failblunas and failshallows it's not even funny. If I can start putting my fails into a lineage that would make it worthwhile to start breeding them again. Forum name: gravija Scroll name: gravija Lineage: Both if I can. If not, I'll start with failblunas. Share this post Link to post
Posted January 23, 2011 That is a pretty second-gen failshallow! She even has "fail" in her name. You don't have to name them Fail, it is only a suggestion. They fail when the egg is laid, when you can't even name them yet. Yup, it's a reference to the Failboat of deviantART You attempt to breed the two dragons, but no egg is produced. ^My Bluna pair...wanted a failbluna but no luck today x_X Share this post Link to post
Posted January 23, 2011 Lineage: Both if I can. If not, I'll start with failblunas. The only thing that's limiting us in doing both fail lineages at the same time is the egg/hatchling limit. *hopes we get the new limits soon* Share this post Link to post
Posted January 23, 2011 Hm, true. I'm going to start working on the failshallow now and hopefully I can still build it up nicely even with a 4 egg limit. Share this post Link to post
Posted January 23, 2011 What a great idea! I'm just starting to breed for Blunas, so this comes at a perfect time for me. Please add me to the FailBluna list. I will also start breeding for FailShallows once I have a good stock of FailBlunas so I can have an Epicfail <3 Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 I added you to all three lists, just let me know when the "(later)" can be removed Could someone please do a few badges please? For FailBluna, FailShallow, and also, for the Epic Fail! Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 Darnit. I released a couple failed shallows to the AP two days ago (I'm doing an even gen shallow project). Hmm. I can probably donate some second gens to you guys since my third gens should all be shallows when I get going. Or maybe I'll join in myself? LOL. Oh, what the heck. Forum name: Moxiegraphix Scroll name: Moxiegraphix Put me in for both failbluna and failshallow Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 Classic Fail CB: http://dragcave.net/progeny/Geul Either "no interest", "no egg" or "no Bluna" I guess I might add some gens to this project here, too Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 I already started a failed shallow so add me to the list! your forum name: ElayneDragonLover your scroll name: http://dragcave.net/user/ElayneDragonLover Sign me up for Failshallow What I already have: Checkboard 3rd gen fail: http://dragcave.net/lineage/ddPL Fail at failed 3rd gen from a different pair: http://dragcave.net/lineage/EeTl Hoping I get a magi next time I bred them for a 4th gen (and they like each other) I'll be happy to bred 3rd gens for people in exchange for more 2nd gen male water X female magi. Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 Thanks for adding me! I'll be sure to let you know when I swap back to breeding shallows =) If only I had more egg space..... or fewer breeding projects! And I have my first failbluna! Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 Hmm, I'm in. I think I should have a couple of failblunas and/or failshallows so far. Hmm, naming suggestions: fail bluna = fluna? faluna? (I think faluna sounds nicer.) fail shallow: fallow? failfish (fail goldfish)? foldfish? I wouldn't distinguish between the different kinds of blunas (skywing x deep sea, skywing x water, skywing x both in different generations), though. Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 I added the newcomers. Also, thank you for the examples you posted! Share this post Link to post
Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) Okay, I had a look at my scroll and found three flunas. http://dragcave.net/lineage/j86d http://dragcave.net/lineage/qomX http://dragcave.net/lineage/W3Iu (3rd gen staircase!) No failfish, though. Edit: Just bred another fluna: http://dragcave.net/lineage/IniY Will influence it female for a 3rd gen even gen. Edited January 24, 2011 by olympe Share this post Link to post
Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Okay, this sounds cool. I'm in. I have these to contribute: Tempest Agre: http://dragcave.net/lineage/Q6LG Oomo of the Elements: http://dragcave.net/lineage/Oom0 Edited January 25, 2011 by Xocowolf Share this post Link to post
Posted January 25, 2011 If someone needs Fail Blunas from me - I can breed the following CB Pairs in hope they will fail when needed CB Water + CB Skywing: Aquaia-Skyvaion Aquaeia-Skyvilan Aquaaia-Skyveion Aquaina-Skyvaeion Skythaia-Aquaion Skyvaia-Aquaeion Skytha-Aquaaion (best fail pair evar!) Skytheia-Aquaeeon CB Ocean + CB Skywing: Oceanaia-Skyvilaion Oceaneia-Skyvion Skyveia-Oceanaion Skyvaina-Oceaneion Share this post Link to post
Posted January 25, 2011 This is an awesome idea and olympe's names are fantastic. Made me actually happy with this outcome. http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZdNj ,my first retained Fluna. I would love to join this lineage. My progress will be slow going until we get the increased limits but I'd love to work with Flunas and Failfishes. Share this post Link to post
Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) I added you. Will you also go for the epic fail? Is here anyone here who already has an epic fail dragon? Other: I just collected together my failblunas (most of them were grabbed from the AP) and almost all my second gen skywings are male. http://dragcave.net/lineage/Auv2 http://dragcave.net/lineage/dPAS http://dragcave.net/lineage/kaMR http://dragcave.net/lineage/tcVF http://dragcave.net/lineage/lgtS http://dragcave.net/lineage/5Koc against http://dragcave.net/lineage/WRmc Deepseas and waters are more balanced, though. If anyone needs them for a lineage, I can try breeding any of them. Only, I'm working on a Tempest lineage and I keep locking myself. I need the new limits. NOW. Also: if we want checkerboard failbluna lineages, I suggest we take the skywing as a reference. Skywing-male checker and Skywing-female checker lineages, with deepsea, or water, or both. With failfish, it is simpler since it only goes with two breeds. Magimom checkerboards and Watermom checkerboards. Or shall we call them Magimom and Magidad checkers? Edited January 25, 2011 by Darth Krande Share this post Link to post
Posted January 25, 2011 i can make you some banners, badge, what you need for the lineage if you want check my banner stand (link in my signature) to see examples of my work so you can decide wether or not i do them Share this post Link to post
Posted January 26, 2011 ok then, tell me, how would you like them, like the ones in my signature or with other dimenssions? Share this post Link to post
Posted January 26, 2011 Regarding the naming of the lineages, I'd prefer to name them after the water or deep sea partents for failblunas and after the magi parents for failshallows. Share this post Link to post
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