Question about a trade?

[whitebaron]

What would these be worth?

 

- 2nd gen PB Thunder Dragon

 

- 2nd gen PB Blusang

 

- 5th gen Shimmerscale from Shimmer x GW stairstep

Sad truth: Most of the time you don't receive an answer in this thread, is because people are scratching their head on how to most politely say: sorry, but that's worth almost nothing or less.

 

Most people don't even bother breeding that stuff to the ap, some do gift on request, but that's about it. Trade value with prizes starts at 4g or lower, and second gen anythings unless its a gold/silver usually only go for swaps for other bred stuff, which is not so much a matter of trading as of setting up contacts to help with your breeding that you can help in return.*

 

Sorry.

 

 

*Example: I do no need to ask Cyradis4 whether I have something worth trading if I need an unrelated blood to one of my projects. I just ask her, and when both scrolls are empty and the dragons are not on CoolDown, I'll receive the dragon just fine without any trade ever made. Same applies in the opposite direction, of course. I do not breed anything outside of my metallic, my projects and my hoard, so everything else is "up for requesting".

[Omen]

Hello trading specialists, I have a question regarding possible future trades. How many 2G Bleeding Moons from commons through to rares (possibly even from holidays), would I be able to ask for with the following to offer/trade? I expect that if I ask for influenced hatchlings in return, for the total amount of Bleeding Moons that I can ask for to lower as it would mean the trader uses scroll space for longer.

 

Here are my possible trade offers:

CB Trio/Blusang

2G Trio

2G Avatars

2G PB Alt Blacks

2G PB Alt Dark Green/Vine

2G PB Alt (Yellow) Undine

4G Silver Tinsel from Penk (x Green Nebula SS)

4G Gold Tinsel from AGYI (x Red SS)

 

These are my (unsure of accuracy) value estimations:

CB Trio/Blusang - two-three?

2G Trio - one-two?

2G Avatars - two-four?

2G PB Alt Blacks - four?

2G PB Alt Dark Green/Vine - four?

2G PB Alt (Yellow) Undine - four?

4G Silver Tinsel from Penk (x Green Nebula SS) - three-four?

4G Gold Tinsel from AGYI (x Red SS) - three-four?

 

As my list of [seeking x pair] is far larger than my list of [not seeking x pair], I don't plan on asking for a specific pairing at the moment. However I do plan to ask for named parents. Is my above estimation fair, or if it's inappropriate, what would be a better scale by which to trade? I very much appreciate the knowledge of this thread, so hopefully when I do get down to amassing these, I'm not asking for crazy numbers.

[Red2111]

Hello trading specialists, I have a question regarding possible future trades. How many 2G Bleeding Moons from commons through to rares (possibly even from holidays), would I be able to ask for with the following to offer/trade? I expect that if I ask for influenced hatchlings in return, for the total amount of Bleeding Moons that I can ask for to lower as it would mean the trader uses scroll space for longer.

 

Here are my possible trade offers:

CB Trio/Blusang

2G Trio

2G Avatars

2G PB Alt Blacks

2G PB Alt Dark Green/Vine

2G PB Alt (Yellow) Undine

4G Silver Tinsel from Penk (x Green Nebula SS)

4G Gold Tinsel from AGYI (x Red SS)

 

These are my (unsure of accuracy) value estimations:

CB Trio/Blusang - two-three?

2G Trio - one-two?

2G Avatars - two-four?

2G PB Alt Blacks - four?

2G PB Alt Dark Green/Vine - four?

2G PB Alt (Yellow) Undine - four?

4G Silver Tinsel from Penk (x Green Nebula SS) - three-four?

4G Gold Tinsel from AGYI (x Red SS) - three-four?

 

As my list of [seeking x pair] is far larger than my list of [not seeking x pair], I don't plan on asking for a specific pairing at the moment. However I do plan to ask for named parents. Is my above estimation fair, or if it's inappropriate, what would be a better scale by which to trade? I very much appreciate the knowledge of this thread, so hopefully when I do get down to amassing these, I'm not asking for crazy numbers.

imo, i think the biggest problem you'll run into with this sort of trade isn't "is my value right" but if the trade will happen in the first place.

 

specific pairs are hard to trade for, and 2G's from a species that isn't being bred all the time (like Metals or Holidays, ect) are even harder to trade for.

 

so your issue isn't, am i asking the right trade value; but more of, will i even be able to get what i'm asking for. and the value itself depends on what the Bleeding Moon is paired with (paired with a metal, it will be valued more, not because of the pairing but because people taking up a breeding slot for a metal to something that might not trade well to people not looking for that specific pairing) and what stage you're asking for (ie: hatchies, eggs or incu-hatchable eggs) because the value in this comes from the amount of egg slots and BSA's a person might have use for the trade rather than the egg itself.

 

 

tl;dr you can't really place a set value on a trade like this and, depending on what your offering and asking for, you might have a harder time getting any trades or getting what your after (not impossible mind you, just your trade will likely sit there longer because your request is specif and something not everyone is frequently breeding)

 

so instead of estimating a value for it, if i were in your shoes i'd make up a list of pairings i'm seeking and post a

 

"seeking any pairing listed on this list. best offer wins"

 

the CB's, and Prize lines you might be able to get a hatchie or incu-hatchable eggs or multiple freshly bred eggs for the trade.

 

bu the others i'd expect you to get your offers mostly as a eggs even though your offering them as hatchies; not because their 1:1 trades ... but because people dont readily have 2G BM's on hand to trade like they do other dragons.

[Laugh]

@VampiricOmen:

 

CB Trio/Blusang - 10 Bleeding Moon Hatchlings

2G Trio - 3-4 Bleeding Moon Hatchlings

2G Avatars - 10 Bleeding Moon Hatchlings

2G PB Alt Blacks - 15 Bleeding Moon hatchlings

2G PB Alt Dark Green/Vine - 15 Bleeding Moon hatchlings

2G PB Alt (Yellow) Undine - 15 Bleeding Moon hatchlings

4G Silver Tinsel from Penk (x Green Nebula SS) - 15 Bleeding Moon hatchlings

4G Gold Tinsel from AGYI (x Red SS) - 15 Bleeding Moon hatchlings

 

As a side note, for the 2g alts/4g prizes I would also ask for a CB Copper (list high time egg as preference) in addition to your list of wants in your trading posts, by doing this you can trade off the CB Copper for more than you would for a 2g alt/4g prize (if you do get a CB Copper offer). Weird I know, but from my own experience, people are more willing to catch AND HATCH (look at my profile at all those CB White hatchling IOUs) for things like CB Coppers/CB Metals than they would for something else in worth to those (3g-4g prizes). It's probably more so because a lot more people don't have prizes as a scroll goal, but CB Metals/Coppers are. For example, I used to ask for 33 CB White hatchlings for a 3g prize, but if I were to trade the 3g prize for CB Metals (generally for 2 CB metals) I can in return, trade those metals for 50 CB White hatchlings meaning it's 3x more that way. Even ONE CB Metal covers more than what I could originally get for the 3g prize. CB coppers I ask for 32 hatchlings.

 

A few complications from what you want:

 

1) Bred Bleeding Moons

2) Named Parents

 

1explanation) People are more willing to catch and hatch CB commons than they are to breed and hatch. This leads to another story! From my own personal experience from trying to trade for bred PB whites, I have now leaned over trying to get CB Whites instead for a few reasons, but for now let's focus on the story! When I first started to trade for PB Whites I always asked if they were going to offer any generation or even CBs then it would have to meet what I wanted the total generation to be. For example if I wanted a 4g PB White then I asked for either 2x 3g PB White hatchlings, 4x 2g PB White hatchlings, or 10 CB White hatchlings (At the time I wanted to focus on bred rather than CBs so I upped CB pricing so they would be more inclined to trade bred whites instead). Usually the people interested in breeding and hatching those were the ones that already had a small/big hoard of CB whites on their own scroll. The ones that didn't would either mix and match or just offer CBs instead (even though the CBs would go past the base amount to make a 4g by a tiny bit). The ones that preferred to mix (which was the majority) was because it was more convenient for them to mix and match. As for the reason for me changing from bred to CB is because I could get more CBs than I could get bred, have control of the names (I didn't have a requirement for named parents), and there was no risk of those users trying to "zombify" any of the whites within the lineage (with higher generation it usually involves more than one person, but you don't need to worry about multiple since 2g can only involves one breeder).

 

2explanation) Lots of complications. Some don't name all of their dragons (I'd say most, but not sure on that) so they might just skim past your post even if they're a bit interested because to some they have to go through the "trouble" of naming their dragons and to even complicate things further some want to make sure it's a good name too (me included). I'm sure you will be getting some offers containing names you're not too big a fan of, even if you don't care as long as they're not named. As I said earlier this could lead to interested people in your trade offer just skimming off to the next post.

 

And just a little comparison so you can see what I ask for when I trade similar stuff to what you're willing to trade off... (bold for things I've actually traded off for CB White hatchlings )

 

CB Trio/Blusang - 20 CB White hatchlings

2G Trio - 4 CB White hatchlings

2G Avatars - 16 CB White hatchlings

2G PB Alt Blacks - 30 CB White hatchlings

2G PB Alt Dark Green/Vine - 30 CB White hatchlings

2G PB Alt (Yellow) Undine - 30 CB White hatchlings

4G Silver Tinsel from Penk (x Green Nebula SS) - 23 CB White hatchlings

4G Gold Tinsel from AGYI (x Red SS) - 25 CB White hatchlings

 

Reason for why the prizes are different is because as general rule of thumb I ask for 21 for bronze prizes, 23 for silver prizes, and 25 for gold prizes. I never factor rarity of lines having influence for what I ask. Generation, type, and color is what I generally focus on more when determining what I'll ask for. I will only say a line is rare/uncommon to try and help the prizes trade off faster (though that can be debated). Also if you're going to list 4g prizes then don't say a line is rare/uncommon without the others saying the same because this will put more emphasis on one of the eggs over the other and could have the other prizes trade off slower than they could be.

 

Other tips: Always influence and hatch so you can don't have to deal with unwanted trade fodder taking up egg space by a day. If they do hatch then try to always put a screenshot as proof of influence so they don't need to PM you for proof if they're one of those people. For the alts keep them fogged until they can be put into ERs as eggs. The reason behind so is because when you put something into fansites when they're born they generally grow up right away when they hit that 4d mark when they're an egg/hatchling. By doing this you will have the minimum amount of views the egg needs to hatch, thus meaning as hatchlings they will take longer to gender and grow up into an adult. I use Eggs Around The World (EATW very fast site that will get views like multiplying rabbits for ER eggs) and Allure of Neglected dragon's ER refreshers (AoND will help get OVs very quickly with the ER refreshers since you will be getting an OV every second for each box slot you have the egg opened in, I usually have 3 tabs opened so it's around 12 views a second). Links provided at the bottom ~

 

If you have any other questions about trading for masses of common hatchies/any question for clarification then go ahead and ask and I will be glad to answer when I see it. I'm pretty sure I'm missing a few other important tips/explanations, but for now this is what I've got to say as a response.

 

http://www.coup-detat.info/NDER/NDER.php

http://eatw.net/scroll.html

 

 

[pinkgothic]

so instead of estimating a value for it, if i were in your shoes i'd make up a list of pairings i'm seeking and post a

 

"seeking any pairing listed on this list.  best offer wins" 

 

Just a small general comment about this:

 

I think it still helps to estimate a value for it and mention a few pairings in the post itself ("<pairing x> or <pairing y> or <pairing z> or any other pairing on this list"), because every external document that people are asked to go to will make them less likely to bother with your trade. It's not a huge hurdle and for a lot of trades it's fine to ignore the effect entirely, but I find it's worth to keep in mind as a general phenomenon.

 

In this case I'd say the list would absolutely help, though I'd word it something like this:

 

"seeking 2G bleeding moons from most dragons (<-- link)".

 

That way, people know it's not a wishlist made of unobtainium or requiring breedable access to unobtainium (CB golds, CB silvers, CB prizes...).

 

But this is totally a sidenote more than anything else.

[Red2111]

Just a small general comment about this:

 

I think it still helps to estimate a value for it and mention a few pairings in the post itself ("<pairing x> or <pairing y> or <pairing z> or any other pairing on this list"), because every external document that people are asked to go to will make them less likely to bother with your trade. It's not a huge hurdle and for a lot of trades it's fine to ignore the effect entirely, but I find it's worth to keep in mind as a general phenomenon.

 

In this case I'd say the list would absolutely help, though I'd word it something like this:

 

"seeking 2G bleeding moons from most dragons (<-- link)".

 

That way, people know it's not a wishlist made of unobtainium or requiring breedable access to unobtainium (CB golds, CB silvers, CB prizes...).

 

But this is totally a sidenote more than anything else.

^ 100% agree with this, and i do this myself on all of my trades.

[11th]

How do people get such high amounts of hatchlings for IOUs, anyhow? I feel like if I asked someone for the amount of hatchlings Saynna listed, everyone would just drop the trade completely and try to find someone else. >< Even now I'm asking a for a fair bit less than your estimates, and no one is really biting. (Though it doesn't help that I haven't really traded for non-holidays since mid-December, haa. Still warming back up to normal trading.)

 

 

Also, just on the off chance that someone would actually be interested in her, what kinds of offers could I get for this Holly?

Edited January 2, 2015 by 11th

[Laugh]

How do people get such high amounts of hatchlings for IOUs, anyhow? I feel like if I asked someone for the amount of hatchlings Saynna listed, everyone would just drop the trade completely and try to find someone else. >< Even now I'm asking a for a fair bit less than your estimates, and no one is really biting. (Though it doesn't help that I haven't really traded for non-holidays since mid-December, haa. Still warming back up to normal trading.)

I usually always get them. Times I weren't were because they were already a hatchling (which gets you less offers and you're screwed if you say you influenced/didn't influence, but saying you influenced it gives reassurance to those that want that specific gender). I did notice Cheeses were the absolute hardest things for me to trade (these were one of the eggs that I couldn't trade even if it was freshly caught, it would just grow up into an adult) and these made up over 90% of what I couldn't trade off for CB White hatchlings/PB White hatchlings.

 

Someone fulfilled their trade for 145 CB White hatchlings to me and there are a hand-full of people that did 80+ CB Hatchlings too. I usually trade off CB Trios/Blusangs/Unbreedables (Paper, Dinos, and cheeses in particular.. Traded off a 3-4 CB Coppers of all colors and 2 CB Silvers too)

 

I'm not quite sure what you offer and asked for hatchlings (and it would really depend on what breed and if I recall correctly I've seen you ask for CB Seasonals and that could be a reason).

 

I've seen a couple of your trades before too and whenever something was bred it usually involved more than 2 breeds of dragons which could be why? Idk, you'd really would have to tell us what dragon breed and what kind of eggs you offer. If bred you need to really be specific.

 

 

 

 

ETA (Edited to add): It's a lot more work than you think then to post a trade asking for masses of hatchlings. At least by the way I approach it. As for all my trading posts I add that little "PS" at the end and this is where I leave a sales pitch/uniqueness to my trade posts opposed to other trading posts. Lets them know I'm willing to haggle and discuss, which can be pretty fun, but stressful at other times (especially to the part where you get desperate LOL). You of course need to accept IOUs because as Red said, who on earth has 15 CB Whites on hand that they're willing to pay up for a CB dragon (well I had at one point 20 CB White hatchlings and a shimmer hatchling, but they of course weren't for trade!)? Once you get a PM though try to be friendly and make them feel welcome. Not many have this ability though and that could put you at a handicap if you're that type of person. Talk a bit and even discuss some other stuff with the deal if it comes up. Making it seem all business only isn't the way I generally go when dealing with these masses of CB hatchlings I require for a trade. It also invites the person to make even more deals in the future with you. It's only business only once I ask for a couple eggs that can be offered on transfer.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Saynna

[Ha-Ki]

How do people get such high amounts of hatchlings for IOUs, anyhow? I feel like if I asked someone for the amount of hatchlings Saynna listed, everyone would just drop the trade completely and try to find someone else.

I'm also curious about this part - Saynna, how long does it take you to get offers on such trades, and how often do you end up keeping your stuff instead (or trading it for something else)? I actually thought VampiricOmen's estimates seemed quite reasonable, at least it's what I would be willing to pay. How much effort do you make to arrange such trades?

ETA: lol, 'd, forget that part

 

@11th: Since most Hollies have grown up already, you could hope for a nice last-minute-trade - maybe someone missed the Holiday event. Metals seem to breed well lately, so maybe you could get a 2nd gen gold or silver or a nice metal checker?

 

Aaaand I have a question myself: I currently have a ND up for trade - it's the first one I'm ever trading, I've kept or gifted the others I made so far. Since I often see people offering cb metals and asking for ND's, I was assuming I could get a cb metal for it, but no offers so far (I posted it in different trading threads at different times of the day).

I was asking for "cb metal offers" - maybe that sounds too greedy? I'll try to be more specific when I bump the trade tomorrow.

Apart from that - is anything wrong with that trade? It's a 3rd gen gold x royal crimson stair - are ND's only worth something when they're cb (seriously? they're unbreedable...), or am I just having bad luck?

I was aiming for a cb gold or a cb silver + cb green copper. Is that really so far off?

Edited January 2, 2015 by Ha-Ki

[11th]

I usually always get them. Times I weren't were because they were already a hatchling (which gets you less offers and you're screwed if you say you influenced/didn't influence, but saying you influenced it gives reassurance to those that want that specific gender). I did notice Cheeses were the absolute hardest things for me to trade (these were one of the eggs that I couldn't trade even if it was freshly caught, it would just grow up into an adult) and these made up over 90% of what I couldn't trade off for CB White hatchlings/PB White hatchlings.

 

Someone fulfilled their trade for 145 CB White hatchlings to me and there are a hand-full of people that did 80+ CB Hatchlings too. I usually trade off CB Trios/Blusangs/Unbreedables (Paper, Dinos, and cheeses in particular.. Traded off a 3-4 CB Coppers of all colors and 2 CB Silvers too)

 

I'm not quite sure what you offer and asked for hatchlings (and it would really depend on what breed and if I recall correctly I've seen you ask for CB Seasonals and that could be a reason).

 

I've seen a couple of your trades before too and whenever something was bred it usually involved more than 2 breeds of dragons which could be why? Idk, you'd really would have to tell us what dragon breed and what kind of eggs you offer. If bred you need to really be specific.

 

 

 

 

ETA (Edited to add): It's a lot more work than you think then to post a trade asking for masses of hatchlings. At least by the way I approach it. As for all my trading posts I add that little "PS" at the end and this is where I leave a sales pitch/uniqueness to my trade posts opposed to other trading posts. Lets them know I'm willing to haggle and discuss, which can be pretty fun, but stressful at other times (especially to the part where you get desperate LOL). You of course need to accept IOUs because as Red said, who on earth has 15 CB Whites on hand that they're willing to pay up for a CB dragon (well I had at one point 20 CB White hatchlings and a shimmer hatchling, but they of course weren't for trade!)? Once you get a PM though try to be friendly and make them feel welcome. Not many have this ability though and that could put you at a handicap if you're that type of person. Talk a bit and even discuss some other stuff with the deal if it comes up. Making it seem all business only isn't the way I generally go when dealing with these masses of CB hatchlings I require for a trade. It also invites the person to make even more deals in the future with you. It's only business only once I ask for a couple eggs that can be offered on transfer.

Oh no, I would never expect so many Seasonals. I do collect them (Well, Winters, anyway.), so I usually don't have too many problems valuing them.

 

I was (and still am) looking for CB Frostbites and CB Stones. I had a post up on EAtW listing what I could breed and catch, and while I did get a few offers they were mostly just small, quick IOUs.

 

The "more than two breeds" thing only applied to the Tinsel I was asking about a bit ago. As I said then, I had just caught a CB Gold and am now able to breed it as a stair.

Edited January 2, 2015 by 11th

[Amazon_warrior]

Aaaand I have a question myself: I currently have a ND up for trade - it's the first one I'm ever trading, I've kept or gifted the others I made so far. Since I often see people offering cb metals and asking for ND's, I was assuming I could get a cb metal for it, but no offers so far (I posted it in different trading threads at different times of the day).

I was asking for "cb metal offers" - maybe that sounds too greedy? I'll try to be more specific when I bump the trade tomorrow.

Apart from that - is anything wrong with that trade? It's a 3rd gen gold x royal crimson stair - are ND's only worth something when they're cb (seriously? they're unbreedable...), or am I just having bad luck?

I was aiming for a cb gold or a cb silver + cb green copper. Is that really so far off?

It may be the fact that it's lineaged, and that the lineage is kind of.... ordinary? Goodness knows why, but CB NDs are highly prized, bred ones not so much unless they have some remarkable lineage that would have had intrinsic value anyway. I know, it's daft, especially given that turning a CB egg is no different to turning a bred egg and NDs can't breed, but there we go.

[lollipop00]

Aaaand I have a question myself: I currently have a ND up for trade - it's the first one I'm ever trading, I've kept or gifted the others I made so far. Since I often see people offering cb metals and asking for ND's, I was assuming I could get a cb metal for it, but no offers so far (I posted it in different trading threads at different times of the day).

I was asking for "cb metal offers" - maybe that sounds too greedy? I'll try to be more specific when I bump the trade tomorrow.

Apart from that - is anything wrong with that trade? It's a 3rd gen gold x royal crimson stair - are ND's only worth something when they're cb (seriously? they're unbreedable...), or am I just having bad luck?

I was aiming for a cb gold or a cb silver + cb green copper. Is that really so far off?

From what I have seen only CB Neglecteds could get you a CB Metal since most people seem to want CB's. I seen 1 CB Neglected go for a CB Gold. If it was me I would only trade a CB Gold or CB Metal(s) for a CB one but that is my personal opinion. Pretty much if someone really wanted one, they would possibly pay that price. I hate stairs so I never would really trade for that neglected. You can keep trying though, maybe someone out there has a CB Metal and a need for any Neglected?

 

Stairs just never really get anything unless it is a low prize. People seem to want CB things now.

Edited January 3, 2015 by lollipop00

[Laugh]

I'm also curious about this part - Saynna, how long does it take you to get offers on such trades, and how often do you end up keeping your stuff instead (or trading it for something else)? I actually thought VampiricOmen's estimates seemed quite reasonable, at least it's what I would be willing to pay. How much effort do you make to arrange such trades?

ETA: lol, 'd, forget that part

 

@11th: Since most Hollies have grown up already, you could hope for a nice last-minute-trade - maybe someone missed the Holiday event. Metals seem to breed well lately, so maybe you could get a 2nd gen gold or silver or a nice metal checker?

 

Aaaand I have a question myself: I currently have a ND up for trade - it's the first one I'm ever trading, I've kept or gifted the others I made so far. Since I often see people offering cb metals and asking for ND's, I was assuming I could get a cb metal for it, but no offers so far (I posted it in different trading threads at different times of the day).

I was asking for "cb metal offers" - maybe that sounds too greedy? I'll try to be more specific when I bump the trade tomorrow.

Apart from that - is anything wrong with that trade? It's a 3rd gen gold x royal crimson stair - are ND's only worth something when they're cb (seriously? they're unbreedable...), or am I just having bad luck?

I was aiming for a cb gold or a cb silver + cb copper. Is that really so far off?

I didn't get too specific with how long it takes, but I can be much more specific.

 

CB Ices it varies a lot and if memory serves right, I've only traded them off after they reached less than 6d or a day after they're hatchlings. I've never had one grow up on me when I traded them off and I traded these more over CB Magmas/CB Thunders. I did swap it for a CB Magma and got an offer for the Magma. I'm still experimenting with it (for me it's fun to mess around and change things from here to there). CB Magmas trade faster (only ever had 1 hatch before it could trade off) and I don't think I've traded off a CB Thunder (might have been 1-2 but can't remember I do know I don't hunt desert a lot so that could be why). 4g prizes I will usually ask for a CB Copper/other stuff. CB Copper being on the bottom of the want list and then I will either keep it or trade it off for CB White hatchlings. For what I want for those (I've changed it from 8g PB to just 32 CB Whites and I did manage a 8g PB trade on second try and that's like 128 CB White hatchlings if I asked for CB version instead). Usually those are incuhatchable/hatched by the time I trade them off. Again for 4g prizes I generally don't publically announce I want 21-25 hatchlings (for exact amount just look up), but sometimes people have recognized me in trading posts and will PM me about CB Whites instead.

 

CB Trios/Unbreedables have a standard of 20 CB White hatchlings. Papers trade really well too, by the way. Never had one hatch on me before I could trade them off. Dinos were a bit tricky, nearly half hatched by the time I could trade them.

 

The first thing I tried to trade for masses of whites was a CB Ice. I thought to myself how much I was going to expect and saw how others handled it and thought (that's a bit low, I'm sure I can get a lot more.. >.>; ) But not many people did trades like that so I thought it won't be that hard. It was a bit nerve wreaking after a day passed and I didn't get an offer, but I finally did and repeated the process so now I'm more confident in getting those trades. And I do try to maximize my profits I can get in trades, just because, I want a lot of things e_e; Oh and I dare NOT post after/before a trade post that has similiar things to mine and ask for a lot less. If I posted before I will delete my post and wait for a new page/day and post my own trade.

 

As for the ND thing, a CB metal is definitely fair. I think if you accepted anything lower would be unfair to you, especially since it has the force message (not too many people know what that means, but for people that know how to turn it's cool to see and adds uniqueness). I haven't really traded for CB Whites (I need to though since I'm not being bombarded with CB White hatchlings that much due to over 3/4ths of those IOUs being done) since I'm still trying to finish up some IOUs from Halloween/Christmas and probably a bit more since Vday is coming.

 

@11th: I feel whenever you ask for "offers" on CB Commons you will find a lot more users offering small amounts especially if it's something small that they want bred. True there is not really a set number you can ask for comparison to those CB "rares", but it does help people know what you are looking for and what amount and that you probably won't accept 1 hatchling if you're asking for 16. Also the tinsel was the thing I was thinking about, but the holly as well popped into mind.

 

 

 

 

[11th]

@11th: I feel whenever you ask for "offers" on CB Commons you will find a lot more users offering small amounts especially if it's something small that they want bred. True there is not really a set number you can ask for comparison to those CB "rares", but it does help people know what you are looking for and what amount and that you probably won't accept 1 hatchling if you're asking for 16. Also the tinsel was the thing I was thinking about, but the holly as well popped into mind.

The problem isn't so much that people send low-ball offers to me. I just don't want to lose trades and undervalue my own offers most of the time.

 

The Holly isn't my fault, though. I got her from the AP the day after breeding ended. |D; I had a nicer EG one that I was also going to trade, but I'd rather not talk about that.

[pinkgothic]

Apart from that - is anything wrong with that trade? It's a 3rd gen gold x royal crimson stair - are ND's only worth something when they're cb (seriously? they're unbreedable...), or am I just having bad luck?

I was aiming for a cb gold or a cb silver + cb green copper. Is that really so far off?

 

Others have already said it, but unfortunately, CB Neglected dragons tend to sell better. That's partly because of a general CB preference, partly because the moment an ND has a lineage, the trader needs to like that lineage (it's rare someone would find a CB 'lineage' aesthetically objectionable). There are people who really appreciated lineaged unbreedables in general, though. There's a thread about lineaged unbreedables in Site Discussion, eve-- *shot*

 

That being said, I think you should be able to get a CB gold for it if you're patient. I definitely don't think you're overpricing it. I would definitely suggest to be as specific in your trade as you've been in here, though - asking for 'offers' generically unfortunately often deters people. In this case, asking for 'CB metal offers' might make a prospective trader think you might not be happy with just one CB gold.

 

(I think it's gorgeous and I'd totally pay you a CB gold if I could still catch the blasted things. )

[LupusEques]

I see that these are pretty wanted lately, so I am wondering what I could get for them.

 

- CB Winter Hatchling

 

- CB BSA hatchling (red/pink/magi)

 

- CB BSA hatchlings (all 3 from above)

 

The magis don't seem that wanted, but I just want to see.

[Ha-Ki]

Thanks Amazon, lollipop, Saynna and pinkgothic for your answers about the ND! Seems trade values can be weird - I didn't expect lineages to play such an important role when it comes no ND's. I guess I'll just keep it then and only trade off the cb ones I make.

 

Also, thanks pinkgothic for pointing me to the lineaged unbreedables thread (did I mention I LOVE my zombies from soulpeace parents?), and thanks Saynna for all those details about your trading strategies - it's interesting to see how differently people approach things

[Omen]

@ Red2111:

 

Thank you very much for your insight!

 

I'm fine with eggs if the amounts aren't going to lock me. Even though I would prefer hatchlings, without proof of influence, it'd waste the trade if the hatchlings gender incorrectly for my needs. I'm easy going as far as trades go, so an IOU is something I'd consider but can't speak of unless it's via PM.

 

I can see where you're coming from RE: metalkin values vs others, I peruse the AP frequently and the largest number of Bleeding Moons I catch are either CB, 2G from metal, 2G from holiday or 2G PB. Not counting the various messy lined ones, those don't really interest me and get returned rather quickly. Luckily for me, My AP travels have netted me some Gold and Silver metalkins, so that particular trade would only be necessary for the BMs from female metals and of course all from Coppers.

 

Thanks for the advice Red2111, I greatly appreciate it and as a result I'll be looking into making a list.

 

@ pinkgothic:

 

I won't be seeking specific pairings for a long time, so I think that may alleviate things a little as far as possible trade offers go. I'll admit I sometimes baulk at a trade when presented with a long list of wants/do not wants (but I also prefer long lists over "offers?"), but on that same token I will need something even if it's for my own use to track which ones I have.

 

Thank you for your insight as well, pinkgothic, I appreciate it.

 

@ Saynna:

 

Thank you for the estimates on what my offers could receive in the way of numbers. It's a lot more than I was expecting, that's for certain. I might have to adjust as the CBs are only found in the Alpine, will have to test the waters with that however!

 

Thank you very much for sharing the story. I find that a strange notion, but also understand the reasoning. I've got two 3G Prizes and can breed more for as long as I have the dragon (and they don't choose to be snobby). Same with the Alts, especially the Blacks. I've got what, 25 pairs? Enough to have at least four eggs hatching on my scroll at a time without running out if they all bred eggs. I guess because of this I never really knew their value, and my patience with trading isn't the greatest. Something I will look into fixing if I want to get anywhere with this harebrained notion of collecting 2G Bleeding Moons.

 

As a result of your advice I think I might start asking for CB Bleeding Moons as an alternative for the bred ones for my trades. On top of the Copper for Alts/4G tinsels. By upgrading to a higher value trade item, it'll cut down on space used up on my scroll and might also entice more people to consider my trade. I don't collect alts myself, so the fact that not everyone seeks them isn't lost on me. In addition, the rarity of things like Coppers just might make people want to trade with me if I'm asking for uncommons.

 

Regarding the complications of named parents. I'd say a lot of players don't name all of their dragons as well. I don't, having over 1400 of them makes it difficult to give them meaningful names and not ones that are there just for the laughs. I think I might strongly consider asking for CBs instead, that way I have full control of parental names. I can't ever have enough CB Bleeding Moons anyway.

 

Regarding the Tinsels rarity, I don't know how rare they are and don't really use said rarity to gauge their worth. In additon, I'll keep the influence proof in mind, I used to provide proof when I did hatchling IOUs, it's not too hard to do anyway.

 

I use EATW already and NDER for when I have ER dragons, I guess I am doing something right. Will keep it in mind to fog the 2G alt fodder and then ER them to hatch with minimal views. Thank you for suggesting that!

 

I'll agree that it seems like a lot of work. I was expecting say, four hatchlings per trade and it's over. But if I could possibly get more, then I will ask for more. It's not like Bleeding Moons are hard to find, but I will be open to haggling from people seeking what I have to offer on trades.

 

Hmm, that's a fair point. They're people just like me (well, not like me but living breathing people), so being all business might not win me any return customers. I've had dealings over the years with people where I'd trade bred eggs of lineages they wanted for lineages I wanted. Wasn't business like or anything, just kept a note of what they sought and what I'd receive; made it easier on me and I actually enjoyed it. I can understand how that approach might be stressful, but can also see how it might encourage others. When PMing people on trades and I don't know how they'll receive my message, I'm usually formal-polite. When receiving PMs regarding my trades, it's easier to be friendly because I don't feel like I might be told a flat out no, but turning down offers I don't like is hard.

 

Thank you all so much for providing assistance and insight. This is why I asked for help, this thread is just a wealth of information. Maybe the idea of collecting these dragons isn't as impossible as I thought, even if I end up having to breed them myself.

 

 

I do have another question, if you'll excuse the wall of text above.

 

When asking for large numbers of hatchlings, would it be ideal to not have myself entirely set on specifics? EG: Two of each Bleeding Moon from Albino M & F, Balloon M & F, Carmine M & F and Green M & F. I prefer specifics when being the person hatching large numbers of hatchies for trades, but I realise by asking for specific lineages or whathaveyou might restrict my potential buyers market. So would a better way of requesting be something like this: "Want" 8 2G Bleeding Moon from any pairings, both with M & F [other dragons]?

Edited January 4, 2015 by VampiricOmen

[Ha-Ki]

I do have another question, if you'll excuse the wall of text above.

 

When asking for large numbers of hatchlings, would it be ideal to not have myself entirely set on specifics? EG: Two of each Bleeding Moon from Albino M & F, Balloon M & F, Carmine M & F and Green M & F. I prefer specifics when being the person hatching large numbers of hatchies for trades, but I realise by asking for specific lineages or whathaveyou might restrict my potential buyers market. So would a better way of requesting be something like this: "Want" 8 2G Bleeding Moon from any pairings, both with M & F [other dragons]?

Personally, I prefer specific things when I'm the one breeding. I also prefer short want lists, I tend to skip the entire trade post if the want list is too long. Maybe it's a good idea to ask specifically for 1-2 common x bleeding moon pairings, 1 uncommon x bleeding moon and 1 rare x bleeding moon pairing, and link to a list with other pairings you need? I think someone suggested something similar, but don't remember who it was.

 

 

Also, this is being buried in other posts, so I'm trying to answer it:

I see that these are pretty wanted lately, so I am wondering what I could get for them.

 

- CB Winter Hatchling

 

- CB BSA hatchling (red/pink/magi)

 

- CB BSA hatchlings (all 3 from above)

 

The magis don't seem that wanted, but I just want to see.

 

The cb seasonal is by far your best trade fodder. Some people trade them 1:1 for chicken when the season has just started and the demand is high, while later in the season they trade 2 seasonals for 1 chicken. I was really surprised to hear that, but it seems to work. I guess you can also get a decent-lineaged alt hatchie or a cb tan ridgewing or cb red dorsal for it. In terms of prize dragons, I have no idea as I don't trade them often.

 

For BSA hatchlings, people ususally don't care at all whether they're cb or not. cb might get you a little bonus, but the BSA is the valuable thing. The demand for magis is low, as teleport has a short cooldown and you can always ask the other person to set up the teleport. Red and pink hatchies are more valueable, though their full trading power only works out if you offer them on a trade - setting up a trade yourself and waiting for offers won't work that well.

Your best bet to fetch something nice for them is stalking the trading posts for stuff you want and offer them on trades that have been bumped already and have little time left - that usually means that the trader didn't get offers yet and your BSA hatchies might be the best offer they get.

Also, when trading pinks, it's always good to trade them in gendered pairs So, I'd do these kinds of bundles: gendered pair of pinks / 2 gendered pairs of pinks / gendered pair of pinks + 1-2 reds / any number of reds.

Hope that helps!

[whitebaron]

Since Saynna has stated his trading methods, I'm gonna add mine as well:

I just don't bother very much about value. If I need something, I take the nicest things I can breed at that moment, breed them and ask for what I need at that time. To me, it is a lot more important to have the trades fast and efficient, so I almost always underprize.

 

If you can afford it, thats a very reasonable thing, but if you can't, you should not follow the illusion that a single 2g avatar can always buy you a 2g metal like the one you traded from me. Same applies for people who state that they have rarely paid more than a cb silver for a 3g prize - yes, you can get them for a lot cheaper (in fact, I did pay nothing for 5 of them...) but that's not the value or the norm. Its just people like me who don't care if every iota of value is accounted for.

 

Of course, if i start hoarding again (i am preoccupied with my 2 projects), my prizes will be similar to saynnas - a bit lower, as usual, but similar.

[Amazon_warrior]

Since Saynna has stated his trading methods, I'm gonna add mine as well:

I just don't bother very much about value. If I need something, I take the nicest things I can breed at that moment, breed them and ask for what I need at that time. To me, it is a lot more important to have the trades fast and efficient, so I almost always underprize.

 

If you can afford it, thats a very reasonable thing, but if you can't, you should not follow the illusion that a single 2g avatar can always buy you a 2g metal like the one you traded from me. Same applies for people who state that they have rarely paid more than a cb silver for a 3g prize - yes, you can get them for a lot cheaper (in fact, I did pay nothing for 5 of them...) but that's not the value or the norm. Its just people like me who don't care if every iota of value is accounted for.

 

Of course, if i start hoarding again (i am preoccupied with my 2 projects), my prizes will be similar to saynnas - a bit lower, as usual, but similar.

This tends to be my MO for trades, too. If it's something I want ASAP, I'm willing to over-pay (up to a point; a few people who've demanded a 2G Shimmer for a trade have usually been told to get stuffed - I offer those if I'm willing to trade them on something).

 

In short - expect to "pay" more for a fast trade; to squeeze out every drop of "value" takes time.

[silverstreak12]

so i've only just gotten a pair of cb golds in the past week or two, and on a whim i bred this just now. what kind of offers could i expect for this, if i wanted to trade it? i'm not sure what i'll do with it if i keep it

[Lily14130]

What do you think is a CB winter worth? I find them really hard to catch, so I offered a CB Golden Wyvern as a trade which eventually worked.

 

Never mind, I read the above posts. I think that I'll just wait until the demand is lower, then catch a few; I only need them for a holiday lineage, after all. But still, did I pay too much in the trade I mentioned above?

Edited January 3, 2015 by Lily14130

[Iside]

so i've only just gotten a pair of cb golds in the past week or two, and on a whim i bred this just now. what kind of offers could i expect for this, if i wanted to trade it? i'm not sure what i'll do with it if i keep it

There are some people working on gold x silver lineages, and they are quite a pain to get, so you may get some good offers for your egg.

 

Maybe a cb copper or a cb alpine/coastal pyralspite. But I don't think you'll be able to get a cb gold or silver.

 

 

[Laugh]

-Snip snip-

 

I do have another question, if you'll excuse the wall of text above.

 

When asking for large numbers of hatchlings, would it be ideal to not have myself entirely set on specifics? EG: Two of each Bleeding Moon from Albino M & F, Balloon M & F, Carmine M & F and Green M & F. I prefer specifics when being the person hatching large numbers of hatchies for trades, but I realise by asking for specific lineages or whathaveyou might restrict my potential buyers market. So would a better way of requesting be something like this: "Want" 8 2G Bleeding Moon from any pairings, both with M & F [other dragons]?

Well after you guys PM each other and they're willing to do the IOU of whatever amount of hatchlings you want, ask them what they're willing to breed. If your "I don't want these" isn't big then I'd just give them that small of a list so they know they can breed everything else but that. :3

 

Another question though as this will be important. For the 2g's (I'm assuming you're going for every pair possible), do they all need to be unrelated to one another? Because if so then that may provide difficult for most players that don't hoard CB Bleeding Moons. :3 I suggest you PM Light Concorde, she might breed you some eggs for free (pretty sure she won't hatch for you) since I know she likes to hoard Bleeding Moons.