Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) I have two bronze shimmers and one silver shimmer: all long lineaged, but then again I'm not actually trying. ^^;; Edited June 26, 2013 by DarkEternity Share this post Link to post
Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) Shimmers are Shimmers are Shimmers. Their value is determined by their gen and the line's "rarity", not the colour. That's like saying, for example, Rainbow Coppers are worth more than say Green Coppers. They're all Coppers, and they're all worth the same. I find it utterly ridiculous when I see people trading, let's say, a 4th gen Silver Shimmer, and they ask for either a Shimmer swap, OR a 3rd gen Bronze. They are all worth the same. Just because people associate silver being worth more than bronze to real life, does not mean it's the same way on Dragoncave. I think Coppers are too new for people to create a hierarchy of which color is rarer than the other (but I think it's becoming Green > Brown > Red) or something of that nature if trades are anything to go on. But feel free to correct me on that matter. As for the 4th-gen silver shimmer asking for a 3rd-gen bronze shimmer, it actually works sometimes I've managed a couple of trades that way Since value is arbitrary, there would definitely be people who would prefer to trade based on same gen regardless of color. But then there are also people who value colors differently hence it's also possible to get a lower-gen of let's say bronze. It's really all about finding people who view things similarly and trying trading with them if ever Hope this helps Edited June 26, 2013 by Valeth Share this post Link to post
Posted June 26, 2013 I have to weigh in on the Shimmer question, since it really bother me that there was one standard for the Tinsels, and it seems it is being thrown out the window for Shimmers. Jewel's line stands alone, even though her offspring are silver. CB Gold - there are a total of 10 - highest value. CB Silver - there are a total of 20 - twice as many - very slightly less value. CB Bronze - there are a total of 29 breedable, minus Micky. With three times as many as the gold, again, slightly less value. The idea of a generation difference in value is the way the prize dragon trading started, and there is sound logic to it. However, I tend to gift or AP most of my breedable Tinsels, and will probably do the same with most of my Shimmers. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 26, 2013 I've got a question about Coppers. Been poking around trading threads, but I haven't gotten a real clear picture of trends yet since I've been offline for a couple weeks. I know the CBs are still in insanely-rare territory. But what about bred ones? I've got a couple PB 2nd-gens I wanted to put up for trading, but I realized I don't even have a ballpark idea of their range. Are they basically as common/desirable as any other 2nd-gen new release, at this point, or in uncommon territory, or...? Share this post Link to post
Posted June 26, 2013 Shimmers are Shimmers are Shimmers. Their value is determined by their gen and the line's "rarity", not the colour. That's like saying, for example, Rainbow Coppers are worth more than say Green Coppers. They're all Coppers, and they're all worth the same. I find it utterly ridiculous when I see people trading, let's say, a 4th gen Silver Shimmer, and they ask for either a Shimmer swap, OR a 3rd gen Bronze. They are all worth the same. Just because people associate silver being worth more than bronze to real life, does not mean it's the same way on Dragoncave. While I don't necessarily agree that their value is the same, I think the difference is a hell of a lot less than most people think. A 3rd gen Bronze isn't just worth a 4th gen Gold and certainly a 2nd gen Bronze isn't equal to a 3rd gen Gold. -- To me, the "rarity" of the line's completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters to me is generation and the BREED (and gender) of the mate. In other words, I want it to look pretty together. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 28, 2013 i see people that offer a 4G Silver Shimmer asking for a 3G Bronze and then they post a bronze shimmer asking for a same gen silver/gold swap. that's just ridiculous :T a 3G bronze shimmer should not be worth a 4G unless the trader really liked the 4G line. would YOU trade a 3G for a 4G? i agree with Eri, shimmers are all the same. the only way i could see a certain color being more valuable would be a gold shimmer being worth one gen lower bronze. other than that, no. i barely value shimmers 5G and up as anything worthy than a few 2Gs off my own needs list so i certainly wouldn't trade a lower gen for a higher gen given that they're barely rare any more. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 28, 2013 http://dragcave.net/lineage/21rVu What might this 3rd gen EG PB gold be worth? Could I get a regular 2nd gen gold for it? What about shimmers? Share this post Link to post
Posted June 28, 2013 I also have a question about a 3rd gen gold - what's wrong with this egg? I have offered it on numerous shimmer offers that were 6th-8th gen, and all offers got declined. Ok, so maybe the shimmer owner went with a better offer. So I made my own trade and offered it, asking for any shimmer (I stated that high gen is fine, as long as it's not messy), a 2nd gen silver or a couple of hatchlings - and got not a single offer, even though the egg is really low-time by now. Am I asking too much? Is a 3rd gen gold not worth anything? Share this post Link to post
Posted June 28, 2013 I also have a question about a 3rd gen gold - what's wrong with this egg? I have offered it on numerous shimmer offers that were 6th-8th gen, and all offers got declined. Ok, so maybe the shimmer owner went with a better offer. So I made my own trade and offered it, asking for any shimmer (I stated that high gen is fine, as long as it's not messy), a 2nd gen silver or a couple of hatchlings - and got not a single offer, even though the egg is really low-time by now. Am I asking too much? Is a 3rd gen gold not worth anything? I had the same experience as you. I wanted to trade her for CB blacktip hatchlings and no one offered any. It seems that 3rd-gen metallics are worthless... Share this post Link to post
Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) http://dragcave.net/lineage/21rVu What might this 3rd gen EG PB gold be worth? Could I get a regular 2nd gen gold for it? What about shimmers? i would certainly trade a shimmer for that. i collect PB golds so i value them around 5G+ shimmers. @Ha-Ki your gold has no pattern. if your gold were a checker or at least something continuable then it would be worth more but since it has no pattern it really isn't worth more than freezing. Edited June 28, 2013 by Princess_Pinkie Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) The increase in CB metals following the boom and the increase in metal producing success (from practically no chance of eggs) has meant that metals are worth less in general. The same issue will plague any dragon species if it increases in common-ess. The market is very sensitive at the moment and my concern is that now more than ever, obtainable dragons are dropping in value, to the point that they have no equivalent with 2nd gen/3rd gen prize or 2nd gens from other generally unobtainable CBs. Edited June 29, 2013 by DarkEternity Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2013 I also have a question about a 3rd gen gold - what's wrong with this egg? I have offered it on numerous shimmer offers that were 6th-8th gen, and all offers got declined. Ok, so maybe the shimmer owner went with a better offer. So I made my own trade and offered it, asking for any shimmer (I stated that high gen is fine, as long as it's not messy), a 2nd gen silver or a couple of hatchlings - and got not a single offer, even though the egg is really low-time by now. Am I asking too much? Is a 3rd gen gold not worth anything? Just want to add that people seem to prefer trading for hatchlings, I've had way more luck trading hatchlings for eggs than eggs for eggs. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) Would a sibling to this be worth anything? Personally, I kind of like the PB alt green/PB silver thing, plus they're both Z dragons, but I don't know if other people feel the same way. If not, is there a better choice of mate for the silver? I don't have any CB metals, so that's not an option. Thanks for your help! Edited June 29, 2013 by Moriwen Share this post Link to post
Posted June 30, 2013 Is no one interested in sitting black alt hatchlings at the moment? I put one up for trade on 3 different threads about 4 hours ago and have gotten no offers at all. I really wasn't asking for anything in particular, just said that for ideas they could look at the list in my profile, but I would consider other offers, too. Nada! Not even a common egg. Does it scare people off from offering if I reference that list? But I actually thought it should be worth at least something from there, although I am open to other things, too. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 30, 2013 it could be the lineage that people aren't finding attractive, or more so that people are lazy and dont want to click your profile to see what to offer. you might want to adding an auto list to the trade post along with saying "all offers consider" and "see profile for more details" Would a sibling to this be worth anything? Personally, I kind of like the PB alt green/PB silver thing, plus they're both Z dragons, but I don't know if other people feel the same way. If not, is there a better choice of mate for the silver? I don't have any CB metals, so that's not an option. Thanks for your help! generally with Metals, people tend to prefer 2 breed stairs/spirals or PB's. if you have a PB 2G Copper to pair the 2G Silver with, then it might get more interest. but right now with metals, because of how often CB's have been droping and how well Metals are breeding, the price for bred babies isn't much unless its a lineage someones desperate for or its unique Share this post Link to post
Posted June 30, 2013 I also have a question about a 3rd gen gold - what's wrong with this egg? I have offered it on numerous shimmer offers that were 6th-8th gen, and all offers got declined. Ok, so maybe the shimmer owner went with a better offer. So I made my own trade and offered it, asking for any shimmer (I stated that high gen is fine, as long as it's not messy), a 2nd gen silver or a couple of hatchlings - and got not a single offer, even though the egg is really low-time by now. Am I asking too much? Is a 3rd gen gold not worth anything? To me, that 3rd gen Gold isn't worth anything (especially not a 2nd gen Silver). It's EG, but that's it. There's no pattern. Unfortunately, when someone asks for quite a bit more than I think something's worth (even if it is just part of a list), I tend to assume that the owner will decline what I consider to be a "reasonable" offer. The other problem is that Shimmers seem to have extremely inflated prices (strangely they actually seem to have gone back UP in price -- least for low-gens). 3rd gens dropped to 1 CB Metal for a while, now everyone wants multiple again. Share this post Link to post
Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) To me, that 3rd gen Gold isn't worth anything (especially not a 2nd gen Silver). It's EG, but that's it. There's no pattern. Unfortunately, when someone asks for quite a bit more than I think something's worth (even if it is just part of a list), I tend to assume that the owner will decline what I consider to be a "reasonable" offer. The other problem is that Shimmers seem to have extremely inflated prices (strangely they actually seem to have gone back UP in price -- least for low-gens). 3rd gens dropped to 1 CB Metal for a while, now everyone wants multiple again. They're not going to get multiple CB metals, judging by the amusing length of time that those trades are left on the forums. In any case, I generally hate all the lineage combinations of the third gen shimmers offered, so there will be no offer inout from me, at least. Edited June 30, 2013 by DarkEternity Share this post Link to post
Posted June 30, 2013 What should a 3rd gen even Silver egg from female Hellfires go for? I offered 3 hatchlings and an egg on one, CB Stripe, CB Purple, an 3rd even-gen PB Magi and 3rd EG Harvest from Gold males, because they said they liked interesting lineages. My first offer was there almost 24 hours, when the egg hatched. I reoffered, with a different emphasis, replacing the Stripe and Purple with a CB Black Tea and CB Black Tip. That ofFer was shortly declined, so I posted the original offer. Again it sat for a day, but their egg was getting past the time for Influence and I needed it to be male, as a mate for a special little dragon. I could not find the trader's post since the scroll name is different than the forum name and finally had to give up on it. What should I expect to trade for another egg with the same type of lineage? Share this post Link to post
Posted June 30, 2013 In regards to the CB-metals-for-shimmers posts above, what sort of generation limit would you put in valuing a CB metal for a shimmer now since the trading prices are going a little haywire? I've been seeing them go for 3rd gens a lot, but occasionally a 4th gen or two. Is no one interested in sitting black alt hatchlings at the moment? I put one up for trade on 3 different threads about 4 hours ago and have gotten no offers at all. I really wasn't asking for anything in particular, just said that for ideas they could look at the list in my profile, but I would consider other offers, too. Nada! Not even a common egg. Does it scare people off from offering if I reference that list? But I actually thought it should be worth at least something from there, although I am open to other things, too. I'd definitely be interested! Share this post Link to post
Posted June 30, 2013 Opinions on the value of a CB Summer? I spaz clicked one and don't really need it...I just put offers on what I want. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 1, 2013 I asked this earlier, but never got an answer, so here it goes again. What's the value of 2nd gen coppers these days? Share this post Link to post
Posted July 1, 2013 They're not going to get multiple CB metals, judging by the amusing length of time that those trades are left on the forums. I've seen plenty of people offering multiple CB Metals for a 3rd gen Shimmer. They're the ones driving up the prices-not the people asking for them. What should a 3rd gen even Silver egg from female Hellfires go for? I offered 3 hatchlings and an egg on one, CB Stripe, CB Purple, an 3rd even-gen PB Magi and 3rd EG Harvest from Gold males, because they said they liked interesting lineages. My first offer was there almost 24 hours, when the egg hatched. I reoffered, with a different emphasis, replacing the Stripe and Purple with a CB Black Tea and CB Black Tip. That ofFer was shortly declined, so I posted the original offer. Again it sat for a day, but their egg was getting past the time for Influence and I needed it to be male, as a mate for a special little dragon. I could not find the trader's post since the scroll name is different than the forum name and finally had to give up on it. What should I expect to trade for another egg with the same type of lineage? For a request like that worth is very subjective. When I ask for "interesting lineages," I automatically discount CBs and PBs. The former have NO lineage-let alone an interesting one and the latter are boring. Which means that to me, you basically offered a 3rd gen Harvest for a 3rd gen Silver. I don't need the harvest so I would've declined too. If I really like the lineage, I would accept just ONE egg, but I would've declined 4 CB Rares outright. /shrug. I would've declined sooner, but then again I'm here a lot. There are people who only log in once a day or so. Your trader might not have been here at all. I asked this earlier, but never got an answer, so here it goes again. What's the value of 2nd gen coppers these days? I don't know. To me, they're not worth much at all. I will say people keep offering me 1:1 for CB Rare (Trios for example). I don't think they're worth close to that much. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 1, 2013 Opinions on the value of a CB Summer? I spaz clicked one and don't really need it...I just put offers on what I want. It depends on who you are trading with, but generally around the level of an uncommon, with interest a bit higher at the very beginning of the season. It is a niche market, so it is subjective. Just now I checked EATW and found one person asking for a CB Summer and willing to trade a 3rd gen Stairstep messy Seragamma for it. I found someone else who had a CB Summer asking for a CB Blusang or a Shimmer and not getting it ... the Summer is hatching. I personally do not think a Summer is worth a Shimmer or a Blusang. I asked this earlier, but never got an answer, so here it goes again. What's the value of 2nd gen coppers these days? In my opinion, they are not worth as much as some traders are asking for. I would agree with rayden on that. Share this post Link to post
Posted July 1, 2013 What can I get for a chicken egg? Is it good compared to other rare eggs? Share this post Link to post
Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I asked this earlier, but never got an answer, so here it goes again. What's the value of 2nd gen coppers these days? I personally would give a 6th gen shimmer for one but I don't have the patience to sit with shimmers on my scroll for days looking for a good trade. @Sasher The market for chickens varies. If you find one of the two or three rabid chicken collectors you can get some nice things. A lot of others are entirely indifferent to them. Edited July 1, 2013 by ElayneDragonLover Share this post Link to post
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