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[Keriel]

If parents want kids to be safe? Don't let them on the internet. Plain and freaking simple.

good luck with that. my parents failed miserably with both us kids.

and safe search on strict rules out the google point.

Mature discussion is already present on the site. sooooo i am still not seeing the point. if you see a need to discuss what isn't allowed here go somewhere else where it is allowed.

DC has no need for anything, and it really isn't that hard to go elsewhere. people are more mature and often more educated on sites dedicated to such discussions.

 

[skinst]

good luck with that. my parents failed miserably with both us kids.

 

Exactly. It is the parents job, not the mods or admin's job, to protect their kids from what they don't want them to see. I will emphisize again that I do not want to see things in the hypothetical section that are banned. I just want the freedom to have an intelligent discussion without the mods playing freaking supernanny.

 

And since you seem to not understand me when I say go back and read my post, here's a CP for you:

 

It's not that I want to get around the rules. It's that I want to be able to discuss topics which are already allowed (as in, current AND after the recent set of rules are impacted)

 

Its that I want to discuss such things as abortion and whatnot with the freedom that we currently have, and more so.

 

THAT is the problem. And please stop saying 'go to another website'. It's disrespectful and completely dismisses any kind of point myself and others have made, which are just as valid as those against the idea.

 

[Fuzzbucket]

I already told you what the issue is. Go back up and read my post again. I hate repeating myself.

Please read mine. Mature discussion and debate - mature in the sense of reasoned and sensible, as I am actually assuming you are - are allowed. The banned topics were all but two about sex - so I didn't see why you minded them being banned - you said yourself:

Seriously. Every single time someone comes into this thread and voices their concern over the need for a mature section, EVERYONE jumps on the mummy bandwagon or the 'lolz you just want to discuss porn and sex.'

 

How many times does it need to be said that that isn't what we (general) want before you (general) listen? :/

So I thought you were OK with sex not being OK as a topic.

 

Re my mention of the abortion thread:

Interesting, considering I never mentioned in my post in wanting it re-instated.

I quote your own post:

Its that I want to discuss such things as abortion and whatnot with the freedom that we currently have, and more so.

 

Alcohol is a drug, just a legal one. If you allow it then discussing illegal drugs is going to come up even in passing.

Why ? It doesn't have to - I actually agree with you that it would - but it needn't. Though what I meant was a thread about addiction would possibly be OK but one about how to mix a Bloody Mary would not.

 

Exactly, to some I come across as delightfully polite. Others? Intimidating as all hell. And with the new rules, as I said, members won't be able to really defend themselves if something like I mentioned (and it has, mind you) happens.

I honestly can't see why not.

It has happened before. The post was removed, but not before a lot of people saw it, and a lot of people were angry and hurt by it, myself included.

I'm sure it has, just as a few porn posts showed up in help not long ago - but was the whole thread pulled ?

 

*snort* All a kid would need to do is goggle abortion and they'd be scarred for life. Same for murder, rape, war, ect ect. This forum is rated PG-13, not G.

 

If parents want kids to be safe? Don't let them on the internet. Plain and freaking simple.

Well yes. There I agree - but what I would like to avoid is angry parents asking for THIS forum to be shut down. They can go after all the ghastly ones all they like !

 

What EXACTLY do you want to discuss - as a topic - that is now disallowed ? The style of posts - I imagine yours will be OK, as I haven't actually seen you being offensive anywhere. But posts "shut it you *** you don't know what you're talking about" can and should be canned, wherever they appear.

 

*sigh. typefails*

Edited November 10, 2011 by fuzzbucket

[Keriel]

From what i can tell, the mods aren't playing super nanny at all.

 

i've never had an issue. to have an issue you need to be breaking the rules.

my stating something that is quite simply valid, is not disrespectful in the slightest. nor is the repetition of it as he point is still valid and being quite simply ignored

[skinst]

...This is not going anywhere and frankly I'm tired of repeating myself. Clearly what I am saying is not getting through and I'm not going to repeat myself over and over.

 

I'll let someone else come in if they choose. I'm going to bed. ~_~

[Fuzzbucket]

...This is not going anywhere and frankly I'm tired of repeating myself. Clearly what I am saying is not getting through and I'm not going to repeat myself over and over.

 

I'll let someone else come in if they choose. I'm going to bed. ~_~

Sleep well

 

I thought you were saying you wanted to be able to have mature discussion and debate on a variety of important topics, which did not include sex and porn.

 

Isn't that right ?

 

But you can. Just not about drugs, basically, and not being rude or pottymouthed.

 

As far as I can see that is pretty much all the new guidelines say. Maybe you just need to give it a bit of time, and see how it works first ? It might be perfectly fine even by your standards, except for drugs and alcohol ?

[TheDarkCynder]

I would like to see a mature section for threads, as long as it doesn't have an age restriction. If there's a fair warning posted on the section, similar to what Chicken Smoothie does for their mature section, I can see it being fair game. I don't want to be excluded from discussions I enjoy each day because I am not old enough to take part in the debate. I wouldn't like it if all of the debate threads completely disappeared, either.

[JOTB]

What about the discussion of the legal aspects of drugs, i.e., marijuana legalization and its effects on crime and economy? What about non-prescription drugs, like discussing the pharmaceutical industry? Am I going to get warned for using the word "marijuana?" A total ban on drugs is going a bit far, imo.

Edited November 10, 2011 by JOTB

[stogucheme]

Okay, I'll make this nice and simple since I have to leave.

 

This site is for collecting pretty art and cool descriptions.

Kids play this site.

Kids want to discuss their pretty and cool stuff.

Adults have every other place on the internet to discuss 'mature' topics.

Kids don't.

Quit trying to force the site to become what you want. Kids need their place, too.

[Fuzzbucket]

Okay, I'll make this nice and simple since I have to leave.

 

This site is for collecting pretty art and cool descriptions.

Kids play this site.

Kids want to discuss their pretty and cool stuff.

Adults have every other place on the internet to discuss 'mature' topics.

Kids don't.

Quit trying to force the site to become what you want. Kids need their place, too.

 

Even I think it is OK to discuss serious stuff here so that kids can join in in a relatively safe place Just not ones that could bring down legal hell or - well, put others off.

 

See under Keriel ! An articulate young person if ever I saw one.

[JOTB]

Okay, I'll make this nice and simple since I have to leave.

 

This site is for collecting pretty art and cool descriptions.

Kids play this site.

Kids want to discuss their pretty and cool stuff.

Adults have every other place on the internet to discuss 'mature' topics.

Kids don't.

Quit trying to force the site to become what you want. Kids need their place, too.

I was saying that these aren't really "mature" topics in the way it's being used. Serious, yes, but mature and/or inappropriate, no.

[Fuzzbucket]

I was saying that these aren't really "mature" topics in the way it's being used. Serious, yes, but mature and/or inappropriate, no.

Which is what I am meaning in terms of - this doesn't look to me to be anywhere near as bad as some people seem to think it looks - so can't we all chill a bit and wait to see how it works before spitting ALL our dummies ?

 

Save the rage for when something actually HAPPENS to upset someone under the new guidelines ? Maybe it will never come to pass...

[JOTB]

I am not the least bit upset, I am simply pointing out things I think don't make any sense. I don't post much outside of requests because I don't want to get warned anyway.

 

and jegus I can't talk at all today.

Edited November 10, 2011 by JOTB

[Nectaris]

The only thing I don't get is why alcohol is under ban under the new rules. Alcohol is perfectly legal(and I have seen it used in PG movies, even G movies), and can be discussed without including anything inappropriate. Favorite alcoholic beverage anyone? I don't see why such a simple thread would be banned, especially as moderate alcohol consumption has been shown to be good for you, while I see nothing about smoking, which really has little to no health benefits.

 

Don't get me wrong, I understand completely why illegal drug topics are banned, and wouldn't want a thread about people getting plastered, but I don't see anything wrong with a carefully monitored thread about someone's favorite alcoholic beverage, or even a debate on the legal drinking age.

 

Personally, I feel these new rules are trying to push the site from being PG13 and instead is pushing the site towards PG, or even G. And if that is the case, THEN JUST SAY IT. I am honestly getting a little tired of people trying to protect the under 13 year olds when by definition, something PG13 MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE for those under 13. Or even better, don't use any movie classifications at all, for they are really contradicting what a lot of people are saying about protecting the kids, and even some of the rules here. I mean, we are censored far beyond what a PG13 would be, several things that are ok for a PG13 movie are not appropriate here, yet the forum is still classified as PG13. In other words, if it isn't PG13, don't call it that, it is very misleading.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Nectaris

[TheDarkCynder]

At least in my opinion, a site with pleasant and polite debates helps round the community. When debating, you can see a person's views for who they are. You can learn a lot about that person, their experiences, and even step into their viewpoint. With the topics some of you are leaning toward wanting, it seems very static to me. It's as if you're looking at people with a translucent blindfold, not being able to tell who this person really is or what they really think.

 

Please note that anything I have said in this thread so far wasn't meant to be rude at all, it's a bit tense in here.

[soupnazi]

Okay, I'll make this nice and simple since I have to leave.

 

This site is for collecting pretty art and cool descriptions.

Kids play this site.

Kids want to discuss their pretty and cool stuff.

Adults have every other place on the internet to discuss 'mature' topics.

Kids don't.

Quit trying to force the site to become what you want. Kids need their place, too.

Whether you like it or not, this site has a surprisingly large host of intelligent people, most of which want to be able to talk to each other about serious topics without having to go to an external site.

[Obscure_Trash]

If you have questions about the rules, please ask them in the rules sticky, so everyone can see the question and answer. :3

[Cinnamin Draconna]

But some of us mature folk would like a place that does NOT include serious stuff. I'm 50 yrs old, have no kids and have had my share of run ins with the law. And I'd much rather frequent a site that I KNOW is safe and not controversial. If I want to talk about alcohol, I'll go to an alcohol related forum... ditto for drugs, abortion, politics, etc.

 

Dragon Cave is about collecting pixel art and the various things we are allowed to do with it. There is no need for a mature section, a debate section or any other non-game related section. Personally, I'd like to see the General Discussion area trimmed down to be less off topic. Chatting is for chat rooms, so take your favorite color discussions and your too much homework moaning and your I hate my parents threads somewhere else. Those topics are OFF TOPIC and not related to Dragon Cave, so they shouldn't be allowed either... IMO.

 

But since TJ hasn't seen fit to remove the off topic junk from GD, I think the point is moot. Be happy with what you have and quit asking for what is not needed.. and/or not wanted.

 

I'd much rather see TJ working on more additions to the game, new dragons and other new stuff.

[Nectaris]

But some of us mature folk would like a place that does NOT include serious stuff. I'm 50 yrs old, have no kids and have had my share of run ins with the law. And I'd much rather frequent a site that I KNOW is safe and not controversial. If I want to talk about alcohol, I'll go to an alcohol related forum... ditto for drugs, abortion, politics, etc.

 

Dragon Cave is about collecting pixel art and the various things we are allowed to do with it. There is no need for a mature section, a debate section or any other non-game related section. Personally, I'd like to see the General Discussion area trimmed down to be less off topic. Chatting is for chat rooms, so take your favorite color discussions and your too much homework moaning and your I hate my parents threads somewhere else. Those topics are OFF TOPIC and not related to Dragon Cave, so they shouldn't be allowed either... IMO.

 

But since TJ hasn't seen fit to remove the off topic junk from GD, I think the point is moot. Be happy with what you have and quit asking for what is not needed.. and/or not wanted.

 

I'd much rather see TJ working on more additions to the game, new dragons and other new stuff.

And I have noticed that on other game sites, the ones that have the least on other topics other than the game, have the least activity on the forum. You may be of the opinion that GD is not needed, but many others enjoy talking about things other than DC with the DC players. And not wanted is completely subjective, by the fact that people ask for it means that there is someone out there that wants it.

 

Really, there isn't that much you can say about the site, there are only so many times you can talk about your first four, or your favorite dragon. Yeah, there are threads like the dragon journal, but those are only fun if you enjoy creative writing.

 

And another thing, everyone seems to under the assumption that you can just easily go out and find another forum, which has the community you like, the right amount of freedom without everything being full of cursewords and adult stuff as well as being even reasonably active. It's not. People like this community, but are feeling that the rules are becoming a little tight.

 

Also, just to get something clear, I am not a debater, I rarely post anything on the more controversial topics, I know I get too emotional about things and don't want to make a fool of myself. However, I like knowing that they are there, that I can post on them when I want to. Also, they make good reading when I am bored and don't feel like doing anything.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Nectaris

[TheDarkCynder]

I play games like Dragon Cave to interact with its community. I highly doubt I would still be here had General Discussion never existed, and I'm nearly certain I won't be here long if it were removed. I don't see what restricting the community to only talk about Dragon Cave related topics would solve. Hardly any games have their forum restricted to discussion of the game.

Edited November 10, 2011 by TheDarkCynder

[Cinnamin Draconna]

Forgive me, but you're missing my point...

 

But since TJ hasn't seen fit to remove the off topic junk from GD, I think the point is moot. Be happy with what you have and quit asking for what is not needed.. and/or not wanted.

 

I'm not asking that the Off Topic GD discussion be removed.... I'm saying that asking for something that isn't needed and/or wanted is pointless. Be happy we have a forum at all.. keep asking for more, more, more and we're liable to not have any.

[skinst]

So basically because you think we shouldn't ask for things, we're not allowed to? You can't see how illogical that is? :/

 

This topic is for forum feedback. It is designed for members to share their thoughts on what could improve the forum. If some members feel that a mature section is a good idea (and there are quite a few of us) then we have every right to ask for it.

 

It seems that you are completely missing the entire point of this topic.

Edited November 10, 2011 by skinst

[LadyLyzar]

Reminder: Attack the topic and not each other. Things need to simmer down drastically in here.

 

As for the alcohol restriction - Yes of course it is legal, if you are old enough. My guess is that since most of our members are underage, a discussion about drinking and/or favorite drinks would likely result in some members inadvertently admitting to illegal activity. Not a good thing. Hence it's probably best to avoid such topics altogether.

[~!~]

Okay, I'll make this nice and simple since I have to leave.

 

This site is for collecting pretty art and cool descriptions.

Kids play this site.

Kids want to discuss their pretty and cool stuff.

Adults have every other place on the internet to discuss 'mature' topics.

Kids don't.

Quit trying to force the site to become what you want. Kids need their place, too.

Excuse me.

 

Adults do not have every other place on the internet to discuss mature topics. I don't know how you use the internet and get that impression. The internet is full of immature, trollish, easily-butthurt types whose goal in life seems to be to destroy any semblance of mature discussion.

 

Like, try having a mature conversation about a Youtube video, or in the comment section of anything. Not gonna happen.

 

It's like a dinner party for the extended family. You and your family want to talk about mature things, but there are kids there all the time, so you want to have an "adults table" and a "kids table." However, you and a lot of other people in this thread seem to think that once the adults table is established, we'll invite the frat boys from down the road to come party with us as well.

 

Personally, I feel these new rules are trying to push the site from being PG13 and instead is pushing the site towards PG, or even G. And if that is the case, THEN JUST SAY IT. I am honestly getting a little tired of people trying to protect the under 13 year olds when by definition, something PG13 MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE for those under 13.

Also, this. Here is a list of some PG-13 rated movies. In terms of subject matter, DC should accept anything acceptable in those movies, or not call itself PG-13. (Only in terms of subject matter, mind you. Derogatory language and stuff should still be against the rules.)

[Nine]

As for the alcohol restriction - Yes of course it is legal, if you are old enough.  My guess is that since most of our members are underage, a discussion about drinking and/or favorite drinks would likely result in some members inadvertently admitting to illegal activity.  Not a good thing.  Hence it's probably best to avoid such topics altogether.

Those are monstrous generalizations and a lot of maybes. So an entire topic has to be shut down because of possible 'maybes' and the possibility of kids posting lies because they think drinking makes them 'cool'? Warn those kids for posting illegal stuff, and let us have our responsible discussion?

 

Not all drugs are bad, too. In fact, even illegal drugs have very good points for discussion, such as how they effect you physically, practical uses in other countries, motions to get them legalized, etc. But LOL at me... I think it's established I think people are too sensitive about the subject =)

 

Whoops, didn't mean to post this yet. Still, I think a mature section would be even more welcome now that the rules have been laid out.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Nine