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[Pixxelation]

I have never used TAELAE. However, I will say that I'm getting tired of seeing discussion about it flooding this thread and this section in general. In my opinion, one of two things needs to be done:

 

-Allow two-way trades and PMing for a trade link in TAELAE, but NOT the chatty aspects or the shaming of those who do not leave an egg. The new rule where one is not forced to leave an egg on one-way transfers would be kept, but users would be able to require a post before accepting a trade. Both types of links would be allowed to request certain conditions be followed, but users would need to understand that a user is free to do anything they'd like with the egg once it is theirs.

-One side or the other needs to just give in. Very little progress has been made by either side, and it's getting very repetitive,

 

I understand why the two-ways were banned from the thread, but I don't quite see why it was a problem, myself. Even if it was becoming more of a trading thread in the mods' eyes, there are threads in the section that work both for trading and gifting, and it's silly to ban TAELAE from following suit, when it was made clear why people were posting two-ways.

 

As for the second point, it's becoming very tiresome for users not invested in TAELAE, such as myself, to see the same points being tirelessly rehashed by both the users wanting change and the mods. I feel like the discussion isn't getting anywhere, and that one side or the other needs to give in, because this whole thing is getting blown way out of proportion and becoming very over-dramatic.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I wasn't really involved with the old thread, but I do find it odd that I can put more limitations on where my eggs go in the departures thread than I can in the new take an egg leave an egg thread.

 

From what the mods have said there were some big issues with the old one. Alright, fair enough. But I still think some rule clarification (ex: chat about how much you like your new egg is fine, rants about other players are not) rather than rule addition would be better. I also find the new no requests / no two ways / no PMs thing baffling. I routinely list my departures offerings as "Haz X, to claim PM me and promise to name! ". That's hardly overbearing, just as two way trades asking for dummies are hardly trades. If those definitions were sound, then pretty much everything in the breeding project section would have to be moved to the trading one.

 

Use warnings and rule modifications as necessary. But please don't place heavier restrictions on what the thread can do than can be found in almost any other thread in the place. O___o

[Syiren]

I just found out about the TaE/LaE thread closing so I'm totally new to the whole thing. It's had problems before about call outs I know, and I can understand the two-ways, even though I've done that myself a few times, but the only eggs I've asked for in return for the two-ways were dummy, messy comons which I more than often tossed back in the AP pile or given in the departures thread if they were CB or nice-lineaged.

 

Edit: I also like the new set up that the mods have created. It's a bit confusing when I still saw my transfer egg on my scroll after getting the other one, but to me it feel very much like how TaE/LaE first started out.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Syiren

[Emeraldmay]

Maybe this is really stupid, but I'm just wondering, how should we suggest our changes to the TAELAE thread?

 

From what I've got, we can't post suggestions in this forum, because it should go to the thread moderators.

But then the thread moderators created the rules to stop the thread being closed by the forum moderators.

So do I contact the forum moderators with my suggestions?

[olympe]

Nope. They'll send you back to the thread operators because they "made" the rules. The thread operators, though, will send you back to the mods because they don't want their thread to be closed for changing the mod-approved rules. That's what I meant when I called this being given the idiot tour where everyone points in a different direction.

Edited October 18, 2014 by olympe

[Jazeki]

Wouldn't it be possible for users who are very invested to come up with a new set of rules (offsite or over PM to avoid another possibly closed thread) that they'd like and then have one user PM those rules to the thread mods to see if they would approve? If those mods do approve, couldn't the reply PM just be forwarded to the section mods for a final approval? That way everyone is involved before any updates are made.

[whitebaron]

As for the second point, it's becoming very tiresome for users not invested in TAELAE, such as myself, to see the same points being tirelessly rehashed by both the users wanting change and the mods. I feel like the discussion isn't getting anywhere, and that one side or the other needs to give in, because this whole thing is getting blown way out of proportion and becoming very over-dramatic.

I second this. While I really sympathize with anyone who lost something important to them, this is getting very busy for a perceived slight.

 

[Cinnamin Draconna]

I think it's time for the TAE/LAE discussion to move to it's own thread, rather than continue to dominate this thread which is supposed to be for ALL forum feedback, not just one thread.

 

Make a new thread here or move it to the Site Discussion forum, it doesn't matter which. I'm personally happy with TJ's Take/Leave page so the continued TAE/LAE discussion is of no further interest to me. So let the discussion continue, just separate it from the general discussion. That way those of us who are no longer invested in the discussion won't be bothered, and those who are still dedicated to finding a solution to the problem can discuss it to their hearts content.

[Nectaris]

I think it's time for the TAE/LAE discussion to move to it's own thread, rather than continue to dominate this thread which is supposed to be for ALL forum feedback, not just one thread.

 

Make a new thread here or move it to the Site Discussion forum, it doesn't matter which. I'm personally happy with TJ's Take/Leave page so the continued TAE/LAE discussion is of no further interest to me. So let the discussion continue, just separate it from the general discussion. That way those of us who are no longer invested in the discussion won't be bothered, and those who are still dedicated to finding a solution to the problem can discuss it to their hearts content.

All threads opened about it have been closed. Apparently, all discussion is supposed to happen here, or not at all. I don't care about TAE LAE, I never used it, and still wouldn't if it was reinstated like the old one. I just think this has been handled really badly. I think it is more indicative of a problem(the inflexibility of rules and requirements regarding the trading sub-section), than a problem in and of itself.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Nectaris

[Fiona]

I too am very tired of the discussion of TAE/LAE. I enjoyed the first thread when it was new, but it got rather poisonous rather fast, and never really worked like the OP's vision. After awhile I stopped using it.

 

I've checked out the new thread. I think personally a bit more chattiness could be allowed, as in "Thanks for the gorgeous whatever. I've already got plans for it." But, not my thread, so not my call. I haven't posted there yet. Not sure I want to go back. But instead of arguing endlessly over the difference in the new thread and how it's not the same as the old one I'd rather show the new thread owners a bit of respect and let them see if they can get their vision of the idea to work. They're the ones who took the initiative to PM the mods and come up with rules to work from.

 

I do like TJ's new thingymabob too. Yes, I know it can be cheated, but whatever. It works. I think we should all just move on and talk about something else now. I'm sorry for the ones who feel like they lost something they enjoyed. I just don't see the way they keep arguing here as respectful to the new thread.

 

I don't think it was handled badly at all. I don't think there is anything being swept under any rug. I just think our forum mods are trying to be respectful of the new thread's efforts. They aren't going to say, "Ok, you can make a new TAE/LAE with different rules from this other version too."

[Grandmother_cathie]

I'm an idiot. Ignore this post in it's entirety.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Grandmother_cathie

[Whitefire]

TJ's take/leave thingie is only good if you can find it. Which I can't.

Its literally a pinned thread in trading.

 

 

https://forums.dragcave.net/index.php?showt...dpost&p=8453134

[olympe]

I've checked out the new thread. I think personally a bit more chattiness could be allowed, as in "Thanks for the gorgeous whatever. I've already got plans for it." But, not my thread, so not my call. I haven't posted there yet. Not sure I want to go back. But instead of arguing endlessly over the difference in the new thread and how it's not the same as the old one I'd rather show the new thread owners a bit of respect and let them see if they can get their vision of the idea to work. They're the ones who took the initiative to PM the mods and come up with rules to work from.

 

I do like TJ's new thingymabob too. Yes, I know it can be cheated, but whatever. It works. I think we should all just move on and talk about something else now. I'm sorry for the ones who feel like they lost something they enjoyed. I just don't see the way they keep arguing here as respectful to the new thread.

 

I don't think it was handled badly at all. I don't think there is anything being swept under any rug. I just think our forum mods are trying to be respectful of the new thread's efforts. They aren't going to say, "Ok, you can make a new TAE/LAE with different rules from this other version too."

Well, the new thread doesn't work any differently than the departures boards - unfortunately. There are some people who take, mostly anonymous others who give. And sometimes, you even see a post where someone claimed an egg and left something else.

 

So, obviously, it doesn't work as intended. A very clear indicator of this is that many people who post to leave eggs in TAE LAE (without taking) also crosspost, leaving the very same eggs for the Departures thread - obviously without taking. People obviously see TAE LAE and Departures as the same thing. Saying this has nothing to do with respect or lack thereof, it's a sad fact. Yes, the thread ops tried. But they failed because too many users don't respect the thread rules and "forget" to give back. It's the people we're not supposed to call thieves who don't respect the thread - and thereby drain it, of eggs and life alike.

 

If you don't think this was handled badly, you probably haven't seen all the closed threads in the Suggestions section. I feel that these actions - and the ever-present "Closed. Try this-and-that." messages which only lead to further closed threads are very disrespectful. I feel treated like an idiot by the staff. "Stop here. Go there, do this!" *doing this* "Stop here. Go there, do that." *doing that* "Nope, wrong address. Go to the evil thread operators and bother them. It's not as if they could do anything about it, but at least we'll have you out of our hair for a while."

 

Yes, I know the messages weren't worded that way. It would probably create an outcry if they were. But that's the message between the lines.

 

I think it's time for the TAE/LAE discussion to move to it's own thread, rather than continue to dominate this thread which is supposed to be for ALL forum feedback, not just one thread.

Like this? Or this? Or the third one that not only got closed, but also deleted?

I don't think it was handled badly at all. I don't think there is anything being swept under any rug.

Obviously.

[Hellen]

I sincerely hope that the thread still stay open, and that the people finally stop complaining.

 

Because all I see is that "The mods are evil, not letting us dictate the rules, and it's no fun if I don't get to do the thing HOW I WANT to do it", while most people don't even see the fact that yes, there had been USERS who felt offended, called out, harrassed by actions of other users in this thread, which in turn led to the mods being alerted, and thus the thread being closed.

 

Now people complain they want exact the same rules back, that made the thread in fact a sore sight in the eye of anyone who even remotely wanted to gift or to be gifted, and didn't want to fill out a list of rules, and/or wait for someone else to approve of their 'offer' on a two way trade, even if people wanted 'something nice for the thread to be gifted' which could not in fact be enforced, since once the egg is on their scroll, no one can force them to put it into the thread.

 

 

 

I have a proposal, which was being swept under the rug by people who just want to complain.

 

If you are THAT unhappy with the new thread, DO NOT USE IT.

 

Simple as that.

 

There are other methods of gifting.

 

You want a person to be gifted who has to fit certain criteria?

USE YOUR SIGNATURE.

 

(Example for such a specialised gifting scenario :

If you want to be gifted a [insert special lineage, breed, whatnot] and are willing to abide by these [specialised criteria, such as no killing, no neglecting, mate, name, whatnot], please PM me with your scroll link, and we can sort out a gifting arrangement!)

 

^This way you know where your egg goes, know who it has, and if that person does not abide by your rules, you can make a note for yourself to never gift them again.

It is THAT easy.

 

 

 

 

 

[olympe]

I'm not using the new thread. (check)

I don't want to dictate what a person does with their dragons - be it name them, mate them, not freeze them. If I gift something special that took some effort to breed, however, I'd prefer if the dragon would not get killed. I can do all that in the departures thread.

 

What I want is to have a place where I can find "nice" things without having to trade an arm and a leg for it. As TAE LAE used to be. And "nice" things doesn't only have to be CB metals and/or very low gen (2nd/3rd/4th gen) shimmers or tinsels from incredibly rare lines. Which is most of what you find in trading posts, exchanging one for the other or doing shimmer-/tinselswaps.

[Hellen]

I'm not using the new thread. (check)

I don't want to dictate what a person does with their dragons - be it name them, mate them, not freeze them. If I gift something special that took some effort to breed, however, I'd prefer if the dragon would not get killed. I can do all that in the departures thread.

 

What I want is to have a place where I can find "nice" things without having to trade an arm and a leg for it. As TAE LAE used to be. And "nice" things doesn't only have to be CB metals and/or very low gen (2nd/3rd/4th gen) shimmers or tinsels from incredibly rare lines. Which is most of what you find in trading posts, exchanging one for the other or doing shimmer-/tinselswaps.

Then your ONLY problem is that you don't find 'nice' things on the thread anymore.

 

 

I don't understand what the fuss is about, then, since the new thread certainly offers that, depending on your view of 'nice' things, and other gifting threads also offer the same things.

 

[dragonsoup]

Which is why I guess why more and more egg gifting and trading is taking place off this forum site and on FB and other forums away from the heavy handed moderation.

 

I have given up gifting or trading eggs here now and only visit when I need to check for a new egg release.

[Fiona]

olympe, I read every thread in the Suggestions section. Yes, I've seen all the closed threads. I'd have closed them too, because they come down to the same thing every time. There's a small handful of people who are upset that the original was closed and they are complaining bitterly about it, despite the fact that other options have been offered. (TJ's thing and the new thread) They don't like the rules so they want the rules changed so they can have what they want. But what they want is what they had before, which was a problem.

 

As for nice things in the new thread, obviously you aren't checking enough. For example, I tried it out the other day. And left a 2nd gen green copper from my alts. No nice things there? I picked up something I had a use for at the same time too.

[pinkgothic]

What I want is to have a place where I can find "nice" things without having to trade an arm and a leg for it.

 

Psst, try the League of Impatient Cave Cleane-- *shot*

 

I didn't use TAELAE and I won't use anything like it in future, since I just prefer trading to gifting - but that's not because I want to ask an arm and a leg for anything*, but just because that's always been my way of getting more of an assurance than a transfer link or the AP would give me that an egg will actually be cared for. (For me, "care for" can still mean "will be used in Neglected experiments" or "will be bitten", since I have much love for lineaged unbreedables.)

 

But I want to note that I'm a bit disheartened by the thread shut-down. "You don't have to use the thread" is an argument that cuts both ways, really - if people had a problem with the old thread, they could have chosen not use it.

 

I figure at the heart of this is a communication problem. I don't think anyone is trying to be malicious here, but despite the recurring explanations from the moderators, I still don't entirely understand why the thread was closed - I couldn't argue for its closing myself.

 

Nonetheless, I don't think this is likely going to fixed with a thread - while I think a thread rule like "two-way links are mandatory" seems, on instinct, like the right decision to keep the TAELAE spirit without giving people the option to 'steal', which seems to be what's desired by the community, I think this shows that there is functionality missing from the game that users would like to have.

 

So I guess my suggestion to the people bummed about this is this:

 

Maybe make a thread about introducing a TAELAE-based feature in the game? I am not sure how it would work, exactly, whether it would be part of an in-game marketplace (as has been proposed before) or a slightly different teleportation form, but I think that's probably the best way to tackle this problem.

 

* (I'm not saying you're accusing me or other traders of that, by the way, I didn't read your post that way. )

[sunieepo]

Uhm, so I normally don't post outside of generic trade posts and stuff, but I'm with olympe here. I was a user of the original TAE/LAE thread and liked it very much.

 

I am currently using TJ's page sporadically, but it really doesn't feel the same at all, especially when I see people leaving messy commons and stuff on there. Not to mention the fact that it can be cheated, but that doesn't concern me quite as much as the quality of the eggs do.

 

The main thing about TJ's page is its impersonal nature. It's functional, but I also still feel a little hesitant about leaving nice eggs on there. There's also the fact that there's no "leave now, take later" clause that I took advantage of on the original TAE/LAE thread (within reason). And sometimes when I go to take an egg, the teleport link I'm given mysteriously has gone to someone else...?

 

As far as I can tell, the original TAE/LAE thread was shut down simply because of semantics and technicalities. Mods claimed it was being used for "trading", something I personally have not seen outside of literally maybe one or two people. When most people were asked to leave a dummy egg, they left dummy eggs. I used two-ways quite often on my more rare eggs, and I can guarantee with certainty that I was given dummies on them, like messy commons from the AP. One or two people abusing the rules does not mean that everyone else needs to suffer for it.

 

And the argument that "two-way trades are by definition trades" is just a semantic argument. Sure, by name, they're used for "trades". But functionally, in this case, they weren't. Calling two-ways "trades" simply for that reason is a shallow, semantic understanding of their functionality, and ultimately limits their potential. Besides, two-ways are being used on the departures thread and I don't see that one getting slammed for it - not that I think it should. I see absolutely no problem in leaving two-ways for gifting.

 

What semantics and technicalities do is limit the potential of the tools we're given to increase enjoyment on the site. And isn't that the point of sites like this to begin with - for people to have a good time?

 

So far, most of the arguments that have been offered against TAE/LAE thus far have been centered around these aforementioned technicalities. The other argument is that there were too many abuses of rules and call-outs, which became a hindrance for the mods. I can understand that. But as olympe said, I don't think that the thread itself should suffer just because members happen to be breaking its rules. The members who break the rules should be penalized for breaking the rules, not the thread.

 

The new TAE/LAE thread, I can safely say, is absolutely nothing like the old one. This is coming from someone who avidly used the old TAE/LAE one and was only able to use the new one once. Why was I only able to use the new one once? Because as has been mentioned here before, people snipe nice eggs from the new TAE/LAE the moment eggs are put up, so when time comes that I have something nice to leave, there's nothing nice for me to take. On the old TAE/LAE thread, because of the two-ways, randoms weren't just sniping stuff from the thread. I actually had the chance to take eggs from there too, instead of only leaving. The new TAE/LAE is just a glorified Departures thread with a clause that isn't even a rule, just an encouragement, to "maybe leave an egg".

 

As many other people have said, I firmly believe that the only way to have an actual TAE/LAE back is to allow two-ways. Arguments against usage of the two-ways are primarily semantic in nature, at least as far as I can see.

 

Honestly, I used the TAE/LAE for quite a while and I can only name a few times where I saw the rules being abused. The vast majority of people using that thread were just trying to have a good time and followed the rules that were on the thread.

 

 

Some folks are saying it's only a small handful who are "complaining", but I'm sure there are others who feel the same way - it's just a rather nerve-wracking experience to get involved in all this. (At least it was for me, since I don't really post much.) TAE/LAE meant a lot to a lot of people; it's just that not all of them are willing to post about it in this environment.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Doctor Sunie

[Hellen]

Uhm, so I normally don't post outside of generic trade posts and stuff, but I'm with olympe here. I was a user of the original TAE/LAE thread and liked it very much.

 

I am currently using TJ's page sporadically, but it really doesn't feel the same at all, especially when I see people leaving messy commons and stuff on there. Not to mention the fact that it can be cheated, but that doesn't concern me quite as much as the quality of the eggs do.

 

The main thing about TJ's page is its impersonal nature. It's functional, but I also still feel a little hesitant about leaving nice eggs on there. There's also the fact that there's no "leave now, take later" clause that I took advantage of on the original TAE/LAE thread (within reason). And sometimes when I go to take an egg, the teleport link I'm given mysteriously has gone to someone else...?

 

As far as I can tell, the original TAE/LAE thread was shut down simply because of semantics and technicalities. Mods claimed it was being used for "trading", something I personally have not seen outside of literally maybe one or two people. When most people were asked to leave a dummy egg, they left dummy eggs. I used two-ways quite often on my more rare eggs, and I can guarantee with certainty that I was given dummies on them, like messy commons from the AP. One or two people abusing the rules does not mean that everyone else needs to suffer for it.

 

And the argument that "two-way trades are by definition trades" is just a semantic argument. Sure, by name, they're used for "trades". But functionally, in this case, they weren't. Calling two-ways "trades" simply for that reason is a shallow, semantic understanding of their functionality, and ultimately limits their potential. Besides, two-ways are being used on the departures thread and I don't see that one getting slammed for it - not that I think it should. I see absolutely no problem in leaving two-ways for gifting.

 

What semantics and technicalities do is limit the potential of the tools we're given to increase enjoyment on the site. And isn't that the point of sites like this to begin with - for people to have a good time?

 

So far, most of the arguments that have been offered against TAE/LAE thus far have been centered around these aforementioned technicalities. The other argument is that there were too many abuses of rules and call-outs, which became a hindrance for the mods. I can understand that. But as olympe said, I don't think that the thread itself should suffer just because members happen to be breaking its rules. The members who break the rules should be penalized for breaking the rules, not the thread.

 

The new TAE/LAE thread, I can safely say, is absolutely nothing like the old one. This is coming from someone who avidly used the old TAE/LAE one and was only able to use the new one once. Why was I only able to use the new one once? Because as has been mentioned here before, people snipe nice eggs from the new TAE/LAE the moment eggs are put up, so when time comes that I have something nice to leave, there's nothing nice for me to take. On the old TAE/LAE thread, because of the two-ways, randoms weren't just sniping stuff from the thread. I actually had the chance to take eggs from there too, instead of only leaving. The new TAE/LAE is just a glorified Departures thread with a clause that isn't even a rule, just an encouragement, to "maybe leave an egg".

 

As many other people have said, I firmly believe that the only way to have an actual TAE/LAE back is to allow two-ways. Arguments against usage of the two-ways are primarily semantic in nature, at least as far as I can see.

 

Honestly, I used the TAE/LAE for quite a while and I can only name a few times where I saw the rules being abused. The vast majority of people using that thread were just trying to have a good time and followed the rules that were on the thread.

 

 

Some folks are saying it's only a small handful who are "complaining", but I'm sure there are others who feel the same way - it's just a rather nerve-wracking experience to get involved in all this. (At least it was for me, since I don't really post much.) TAE/LAE meant a lot to a lot of people; it's just that not all of them are willing to post about it in this environment.

Then you should actually go and complain to those that broke the rules (even 'a few times' is enough, IMO), and forced the mods' hands down to close the thread, and be glad another take an egg leave an egg got actually approved and the idea didn't get axed.

 

Complain to those that broke the rules.

 

Not those that want to actually give you something back you can enjoy, even if it has it's limitations, that ARE there because of the OTHERS who broke the rules of the old thread.

 

Not the mods are the bad guys here, people.

It's the guys that ruined the old thread by going against the rules.

 

THOSE are at fault and to blame.

The mods HAD to interfere when a gifting thread was used (even just by 'a few' users) who asked for nice eggs and hatchlings in return for their 'gifts'.

The mods HAD to interfere when a gifting thread became a 'I tell you what to do, even if I do not have the right to do so!' thread.

The mods HAD to interfere when other users were harrassed, were called out, were badmouthed within a few minutes of taking an egg and not leaving a message or egg RIGHT after. (I have seen it happening. *eyes a few users*).

 

Blame the users that forced the hands of the mods.

Not the mods who had gotten complaints about stuff, and after several warnings, which THOSE users had not listen to, had to close the thread.

 

 

(If YOU had read through it, you would have seen it.)

 

Not the mods, which do a fabulous job at trying to keep this community from ripping each other apart. And they all do it in their spare time, and without being complimented ever for doing that.

Edited October 20, 2014 by Hellen

[F.ury]

Then you should actually go and complain to those that broke the rules (even 'a few times' is enough, IMO), and forced the mods' hands down to close the thread, and be glad another take an egg leave an egg got actually approved and the idea didn't get axed.

 

Complain to those that broke the rules.

 

Not those that want to actually give you something back you can enjoy, even if it has it's limitations, that ARE there because of the OTHERS who broke the rules of the old thread.

 

Not the mods are the bad guys here, people.

It's the guys that ruined the old thread by going against the rules.

 

THOSE are at fault and to blame.

The mods HAD to interfere when a gifting thread was used (even just by 'a few' users) who asked for nice eggs and hatchlings in return for their 'gifts'.

The mods HAD to interfere when a gifting thread became a 'I tell you what to do, even if I do not have the right to do so!' thread.

The mods HAD to interfere when other users were harrassed, were called out, were badmouthed within a few minutes of taking an egg and not leaving a message or egg RIGHT after. (I have seen it happening. *eyes a few users*).

 

Blame the users that forced the hands of the mods.

Not the mods who had gotten complaints about stuff, and after several warnings, which THOSE users had not listen to, had to close the thread.

 

 

(If YOU had read through it, you would have seen it.)

 

Not the mods, which do a fabulous job at trying to keep this community from ripping each other apart. And they all do it in their spare time, and without being complimented ever for doing that.

Yes, the moderators do a fantastic job. And yes, they do it all in their spare time and definitely deserve our thanks. However, that does not mean that the moderators are above criticism. Just like everyone else, the moderators are human; sometimes, humans make mistakes. Treating the moderators as godlike figures who are perfect and never make mistakes poses a problem in and of itself. Leaders and people who are in charge need feedback from others. That is how they know what people think is important and how they can figure out what needs to be changed or improved. This forum feedback thread exists because TJ and the moderators want to hear everyone's opinions so they know what to work on next. If TJ and the moderators did not ever want their work to be critiqued, this thread would not exist.

 

In regards to the TAE LAE debate, I completely understand why the moderators closed the old thread. I was using the thread about half an hour before it was closed and after I read through the recent posts where people called out other users, I knew the thread was going to receive some sort of warning before it did. I just didn't think the thread would be closed forever. Yes, the moderators have every right to close a problematic thread. I completely understand why TAE LAE was only allowed to reopen under the current set of rules. The moderators should not have to constantly deal with multiple user complaints coming from the same thread. However, DC forum users also have the right to make suggestions about how they think the new TAE LAE thread should be run. User opinions, critiques, and criticisms are necessary to help this forum improve. Otherwise, how would TJ and the moderators know what changes and improvements users would like to see implemented?

 

However, I do not understand why the moderators say that any suggestions about how to improve the new TAE LAE belong in a different thread and then proceed to shut down any new thread created about TAE LAE suggestions. If the moderators simply do not want to deal with any user opinions and critiques about the new TAE LAE, that is completely fine. Criticism is necessary for improvement but if a particular thread has become a huge problem then it is understandable that the moderators just want to get rid of the problem thread so that they can spend more of their time improving other parts of the forum. If this is the case, then the moderators actually need to come out and state that no further discussion about TAE LAE is allowed and the current rules are going to remain exactly the way they are. I would have no problem with that because, as you've stated many times, I do not have to use the new TAE LAE thread. And if the moderators are going to allow suggestions about the new TAE LAE thread, then they need to come out and state exactly what sorts of suggestion threads are allowed and where these sorts of threads belong. Many users, me included, do not enjoy vague situations like this one where we aren't sure what we're allowed to discuss and how we are allowed to go about discussing it. A bit of clarity from the moderators would help immensely right now. Discussion about the new TAE LAE thread is going to continue happening in this thread until the moderators either explicitly tell us that they are shutting down all TAE LAE discussion or tell users exactly where the TAE LAE discussion belongs.

 

tl;dr If we are not allowed to discuss/critique the current TAE LAE thread in any capacity, then the moderators need to tell us that. If we are allowed to make suggestions about the new TAE LAE thread, then the moderators need to tell us exactly what sort of suggestions are acceptable and what section said suggestions belong in.

Edited October 20, 2014 by F.ury

[Starscream]

I think the best bet is to contact the thread OP/thread mods.

[Jazeki]

Wouldn't it be possible for users who are very invested to come up with a new set of rules (offsite or over PM to avoid another possibly closed thread) that they'd like and then have one user PM those rules to the thread mods to see if they would approve? If those mods do approve, couldn't the reply PM just be forwarded to the section mods for a final approval? That way everyone is involved before any updates are made.

Just re-suggesting here. Also adding that I've PMed the TAE LAE account mod(s) about rephrasing things or various concerns/questions that I've had and they have gotten back to me and addressed everything in some fashion or another. As Starscream and others beyond myself have noted, it's probably best to go to the TAE LAE thread mods to discuss everything instead of rehashing things here.

[MessengerDragon]

As many other people have said, I firmly believe that the only way to have an actual TAE/LAE back is to allow two-ways.

(I think that PMing people for teleport links might work well too, if there's a thread where everyone uses it)

 

Sorry to add to the TaE LaE discussion, but I just want to say that people shouldn't be talking about how the situation was handled and whose fault it was, but about suggestions for what to do about it next. It would be a shame if this discussion turned into a debate of whether or not the mods did the right thing.

 

Also, I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to ask for the dragon to be named if possible. It isn't as if they're saying You must name the dragon! they're just saying that they'd appreciate their gift having a name. Also, if people are gifting something, then surely it is understandable for them not to want it killed?

 

This post here shows most of my other views. However, I do also understand why mods did what they did.

Edited October 20, 2014 by MessengerDragon