A Song of Ice & Fire series

[Nectaris]

Eh, Daenerys isn't my favorite, but I love Tyrion, at least up until the fifth book when he lost some of his luster to me. I have a strange fondness for Jaime, at least from the third book on. Of the Starks, Arya is my favorite.

[Isuzu]

Eh, Daenerys isn't my favorite, but I love Tyrion, at least up until the fifth book when he lost some of his luster to me. I have a strange fondness for Jaime, at least from the third book on.

This.

I like the whole dragon plot, but Dany isn't really my favorite. And Tyrion gets rather dull in the fifth book. Jamie's character arc on the other hand is definitely entertaining. Especially when put close to one of Cercei's POV chapters, it's really nice to see how different the twins actually are, as opposed to how similar they think (or at least thought) they are (were).

[Walker]

Eh, I haven't gotten to the fifth book, so maybe that explains it. But up until then (and maybe not even then), I'm not changing my opinion on "The Kingslapper."

 

I've always wanted to read a book that addressed a genetic condition cropping up in the upper echelons, cause you rarely or never see that happen, so I find it as pretty neat that the author was willing to address it.

 

I've only read a few chapters of Jamie so far, so I can't really say much about him? I'm not inclined or disinclined to him.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Walker

[Husker]

Same here. I have so much love for both of them, especially Tyrion.

 

My friends and I have taken to calling him 'The Kingslapper'.

I almost fell out of my chair reading that! Tyrion is one of my favorite characters as well.

 

I'm almost tempted to reread the series again after finding this thread, but I don't want to have to wade through Feast and Dance again.

 

I'm just hoping the wait for Winds of Winter isn't another 5 years!

[Isuzu]

Oh I just noticed he uploaded a new preview chapter on his website. Awesome *runs off to read*

[Walker]

Haha, no he jokes about it though.

 

When someone asks what is going to happen next he just shrugs and says, "well the Starks all die"

 

He himself is worried he isn't writing fast enough so he wants to get them done sooner now.

You know what I find funny about this?

 

It could mean all the starks die during the war.

 

It could mean the end of the last book is the death scene of a 100 year old Bran or something dying after a long, settled life after the whole thing happens.

 

So it really doesn't tell us much of anything Could still be a happy ending of some sort for the Starks.

[Symphonic-Nemesis]

Who knows really.

 

I mean statistically there are still a bunch of Starks alive

 

*SPOILERS*

 

Just separated and spread throughout Westeros.

[Fortune86]

The wait for the third season is killing me D: I won't even be able to watch it until next Tuesday, because it gets shown here on the Monday by my mother is watching Criminal Minds, so I have to record it and watch it the next morning.

 

To be honest, I sort of love all of the characters in their own way. Good guys, bad guys or somewhere in between, they are all amazing characters.

[Symphonic-Nemesis]

I think the only person I actually hate in the series is Joffrey. All the others I can see and understand their motives, I've even in a way learned to love Cersei.

 

I think I would have some redemption for Joffery if he had some POV chapters. But obviously we know that isn't going to happen after A Storm of Swords.

[PointOfOrigin]

... I really can't see the way to make Joffrey likeable. I mean, somebody could try to build his character if they used his assassin for Bran, but otherwise I have no idea.

 

What about both Cersei and Kat? I find that both of them have really similar motives and I wouldn't be surprised if Cat did the same things as Cersei to protect her children, if Catelyn was in same situation. I just find very often that people are willing to let Cat's ruthlessness slide just because she is a Stark.

Edited March 25, 2013 by PointOfOrigin

[DragonNighthowler]

I actually never liked Catelyn at all, and I'm not too fond of the Starks anyways, aside from Arya and Bran. I found most of them to be naïve, uninteresting and whinny, so I could only applaud at the end of Dance with Dragons (or would have if I had not foreseen what is inevitably going to happen... urgh, just kill them off Martin).

And I never liked Sansa much, but after her treachery to Lady, I openly despise her. I do wonder what Martin has got against dogs. As a dog fanatic myself, it is distressing to read about severed dog heads, and ferociously crazy dogs terrorizing slaves, and elite slave warriors being forced to nurse a puppy till the year of age and then kill it. It seems Martin has a vendetta against them, and I rather prefer Jim Butcher's view on pets, as loyal, friendly and brave companions. Might seem absurd, as in Martin's novels, everyone is a monster in some way or the other, but, I don't know, I still don't like it.

 

I find Khal Drogo was my favorite character of all, and the horse tribes to be very interesting.

Jamie and Brienne were also very interesting. Too bad Martin doesn't give them much attention in the last two books, because I find Jamies friendship with the Ugly Maiden to be a very interesting character development, from the arrogant, proud King's Guard, to a more humane and gentle person, very different to the hysterically paranoid Cersei.

 

As for Dany, I used to liked her when she was growing from an innocent girl to a strong khaleesi guiding a whole khalassar (in a rather Moises fashion, to be honest, but it was nice to see her use her cunning and womanly attributes to gather what she needed to conquer Westeros). Now... I wish she got devoured by the same (SPOILERS) creature she whipped into submission. I'm not sure what Martin was thinking but he devoted much time to her in the last book, and it is amazing she still managed to do nothing.

 

Tyrion, he was interesting, but now he's a broken shadow of what he used to be.

 

Funny enough, I found the Dorne storyline interesting enough, except that whole part about prince Quentyn, which I found could be ripped out of the book as it serves no more purpose than fillers.

 

Although I do really wish to see more about the White Walkers. We started the first book with them, and they are supposed to be a threat, right? Doesn't look like, seeing how they don't do much more than terrorize the Free Folk, and that's about it.

 

Speaking of which, the whole Red God thing is intriguing enough to maybe... only maybe, make me look up the next book if it ever comes out. Let's just hope he speeds things a bit. The first three books were dynamic enough to keep me hooked for days. It would be nice to get that back.

 

To be honest, I am not a published writer like he is (working on it), mostly because I've written thousands of pages worth of novels and discarded them because they weren't good enough, but there are certain things I would have done differently in the last two books. Like Tyrions travels, take out everything regarding the Slave Cities (as I see they serve little purpose to the whole main idea of the war and conflict in Westeros) and get on with the original plan (get ships, an army and go Battle Royale on the Seven Kingdoms). Also Aryas training, I'd do more of a revelation thing with her in further books, instead of every tedious trial she goes through. Certain sections I'd have them summarized in a chapter or two, and I'd deffinitely push the conflict against the White Walkers.

This is just a personal opinion from an unexperienced writer wannabee, so don't take me too seriously.

[PointOfOrigin]

Yup. Catelyn was never one of my favorites. Rob and Bran were ok, but never struck a cord with me. Arya is fabulous. I really don't like Sansa for now, but I do like the direction her character is taking - I'd love to see her in court again after Littlefinger trains her. And to be honest that wasn't treachery to Lady - it was treachery to Arya and to the pack. At the time, Sansa was just too stupid to realize what would happen. I mean, even after that, she thought that Cersei was nice.

 

Love Jaime and Brienne But, I think that Martin hasn't given Brienne nearly enough character growth besides her growing friendship with Jamie. Especially when you compare her with other characters like Tyrion and Jamie. And you can't blame that on the time that she has been present in the series - Jamie and Tywin were pretty much only mentioned in the first three books.

 

Dorne... I'd seriously adopt all Sand Snakes. They take after their father when it comes to awesome department.

 

When it comes to Arya's and Tyrion's chapters in the later books, I just have a feeling that he wrote more and more of them to appease the fans.

[DragonNighthowler]

Yup. Catelyn was never one of my favorites. Rob and Bran were ok, but never struck a cord with me. Arya is fabulous. I really don't like Sansa for now, but I do like the direction her character is taking - I'd love to see her in court again after Littlefinger trains her. And to be honest that wasn't treachery to Lady - it was treachery to Arya and to the pack. At the time, Sansa was just too stupid to realize what would happen. I mean, even after that, she thought that Cersei was nice.

 

Love Jaime and Brienne But, I think that Martin hasn't given Brienne nearly enough character growth besides her growing friendship with Jamie. Especially when you compare her with other characters like Tyrion and Jamie. And you can't blame that on the time that she has been present in the series - Jamie and Tywin were pretty much only mentioned in the first three books.

 

Dorne... I'd seriously adopt all Sand Snakes. They take after their father when it comes to awesome department.

 

When it comes to Arya's and Tyrion's chapters in the later books, I just have a feeling that he wrote more and more of them to appease the fans.

Yup, have to agree with you, it was a treachery to everyone. Also, Sansa has been pretty much blind until pretty much the end of first book. Then she was simply docile like a beaten down horse. I love Petyr, he's an awesome character!

Also Varys, he's great too!

 

I agree too, Brienne didn't get enough character development, but I think that also has to do with the fact she's got a rigid code or morals, and hasn't been given enough time. But she could have evolved a little more.

 

Also, I didn't like much the Iron Islands plot line. Asha is all right but not interesting enough to make up for all the dullness those chapters were (IMO). I found they were chapters that could have been explained VIA RavenMail, without needing for them to be present.

[PointOfOrigin]

Well, I new that Petyr was a *** from the start, but Varys' motivations really surprised me. I have a feeling that Varys is going to die in the end - the moment you start doing something for others in ASOIAF universe is the moment that you are doomed.

 

Her characterization has been centered too much around men. And when Renly or Jamie aren't around her, it's like her progress just stops.

 

Still not sure about that. I'm waiting on the Eurion plotline to shine

[Symphonic-Nemesis]

Thinking of Varys, there was a discussion I was part of once. The Blackfyres, the cadet branch of the Targaryens, potentially have living members. Varys could be one of them noted when he said, talking about how certain parts were removed, "The blood of a king is powerful"

 

Another discussion is that Ned really isn't all that "Stark"y. He was raised in the Vale with the Arryns which are all "HONOR!" so he wasn't raised a Stark and then raised his children as he was, honor bound to a fault, leading to somewhat of a naivete. Leading to Ned's downfall as he trod almost exactly in Jon Arryn's steps.

 

One could argue the children are now becoming true Starks, which is why Sansa is getting better, she is seeing the truth.

 

Never been a fan of the Greyjoys but interested to see the path Eurion takes.

 

[DragonNighthowler]

I heard various hypotheses from fans. One of them was that Jon is Robert and Lianna's son, making him the true king, or something along those lines.

 

Another is that Tyrion is a Targaryen, son to the Mad King, which would explain his deformity and the hatred his family has for him (although I don't think this is so, to be honest, the fact that he "killed" his own mother upon birth is a good enough reason for a 6 year old girl to hate him, and for his own father to blame him).

 

I'm sure there are more crazy theories, but I haven't searched for them.

 

BTW, does anyone go to Amazon to read reviews? They're fun.

[Symphonic-Nemesis]

The one I heard was Jon was Rhaegar and Lyanna's son, never heard the Robert/Lyanna one though.

 

The Tyrion as a Targaryen is definitely a new one but its one of the more doubtful ones.

 

I will say, regardless of who we like and who hate character wise the theories are so much fun for this series!

 

 

Everyonce and awhile I read em! They're a good time when I need a light laugh.

[Fortune86]

I personally support the 'Jon is Lyanna/Rhaegar's child' theory.

 

I don't buy him being Ned's son at all. Ned was raised to know honour and while he was somewhat naive several times, he has always acted with honour. I don't see him cheating on Cat.

 

That means Jon is someone elses son, but whose? And why would Ned be so protective of him if he wasn't family? The only theory that currently fits is that Jon is Lyanna's son, who died shortly after giving birth to him.

 

Unless Rhaegar married Lyanna, (perhaps in secret? Was he allowed a second wife?) Jon was never heir to the throne. I do see him perhaps being another rider of Dany's dragons though, as he was born of ice and fire.

Edited March 26, 2013 by Fortune86

[PointOfOrigin]

I don't believe that Jon is Robert's son. From what I read, Lyanna wasn't really happy about her marriage arrangement and she was feisty. That's why I also believe that Rhaegar didn't take her against her own will. I just have a feeling that she wouldn't go down without a fight, and so far there's been no mention of one.

 

The theory that Lyanna was a mystery knight on Harrenhall tournament just seems most likely. Who knows, maybe Rhaegar figured out that the knight was her and it just went on from there.

 

As far as legitimacy goes, Aegon the first married both of his sisters.

 

And that reminded me, about what Danny has seen in the House of Undying. It wouldn't surprise me if Ellia actually knew about Rhaegar's intentions and actually approved them.

 

But then again, all of this seems too obvious *shrugs* I can speculate as much as I want, but chances are that most of us will get it wrong.

 

I always imagine Tyrion as Danny's future Hand. Or treasurer, if Mormont gets that position.

[Walker]

I don't believe that Jon is Robert's son. From what I read, Lyanna wasn't really happy about her marriage arrangement and she was feisty. That's why I also believe that Rhaegar didn't take her against her own will. I just have a feeling that she wouldn't go down without a fight, and so far there's been no mention of one.

 

The theory that Lyanna was a mystery knight on Harrenhall tournament just seems most likely. Who knows, maybe Rhaegar figured out that the knight was her and it just went on from there.

 

As far as legitimacy goes, Aegon the first married both of his sisters.

 

And that reminded me, about what Danny has seen in the House of Undying. It wouldn't surprise me if Ellia actually knew about Rhaegar's intentions and actually approved them.

 

But then again, all of this seems too obvious *shrugs* I can speculate as much as I want, but chances are that most of us will get it wrong.

 

I always imagine Tyrion as Danny's future Hand. Or treasurer, if Mormont gets that position.

Also, Jon has brown hair, not black.

 

The one thing overly stressed in Robert's offspring is the black hair being carried over.

[Isuzu]

I've seen so many people believe the Rhaegar+Lyanna = Jon theory that it would be pretty amusing if it were in fact false. (and I seriously wouldn't put it beyond George)

[Symphonic-Nemesis]

I know right? Makes me chuckle a little bit inside because you know he would pull something like that.

 

Jon definitely has Stark blood in him, that is for sure.

 

I saw in the thread some where further up mentioning George doesn't like dogs. He actually does like them. (also the Inuit dog who played Lady was adopted by Sansa's actress!)

[DragonNighthowler]

I know right? Makes me chuckle a little bit inside because you know he would pull something like that.

 

Jon definitely has Stark blood in him, that is for sure.

 

I saw in the thread some where further up mentioning George doesn't like dogs. He actually does like them. (also the Inuit dog who played Lady was adopted by Sansa's actress!)

Yup, that was me. I guess volunteering in rescue groups and seeing too many horrible things has made me a bit picky about dog mistreatment. But then again, he is brutally graphic about everything else, so that's just me being over sensitive.

 

Also, Jon has brown hair, not black.

 

That kind of makes a lot of sense.

 

We seem to agree, tho, that Jon is Lyanna's son, and it would make a lot of sense.

 

The theory that Lyanna was a mystery knight on Harrenhall tournament just seems most likely.

 

Really? I haven't read about it. Actually, I don't even remember there was a mysterious knight at Harrenhal Tournament, but then again, so many things happen that I kind of loose track.

[Symphonic-Nemesis]

Heard that theory as well.

 

I found some information on our mystery knight, the knight came in as "The KNight of the Laughing Tree" fighting for the honor of Howland Reed, one of the people of the Greywater Watch.

 

There was a Heart Tree on the shield so definitely someone of a Northron house but according to stories might have been a crannongman

 

 

[PointOfOrigin]

I know, I know. It's just that George really dug deep with Rhaegar + Lyanna theory. After everything up till now, any other theory (Ashara(?) Dayne, then Jon's mother by milk etc.) just kinda fades away. And, they don't have nearly enough profs going for them.

 

But, he might just all of a sudden introduce another person as Jon's real parent. Although, after introducing Aegon out of nowhere, another important person would be a bit too much.

 

Yup. The Lyanna knight theory is basically the story Jojen and Meera told Bran. Ned earlier mentioned that she would have trained with a sword if their father allowed her to, and even Roose Bolton said that she was one of the best riders.