Stop BSL Lineage

[Tanitsja]

Well i got a guardian of nature, holding off on naming it till i know if it will make it on the list or not

[Delphine]

Updating the members lists. Sorry I was away camping for the weekend guys. I am going to do some BSL dragon hunting and red's sound like a good idea to add.

 

Edit: Added GoN as well since dogs are apart of nature and the guardian can closly relate to the 'guard dogs'.

Edited September 7, 2010 by Delphine

[WhisperingWillows]

Can I join? Will get some cb dragons sutied to this lineage, when I am unscrollocked ok?

[quupee]

Can I join?

I've hated BSL for a long time, but if I ever mention it people give me funny glances. The only time someone KIND of knew what BSL stood for thought I was talking about British Sign Language... <.< >.>

 

Hence why I never started this.

But yeah, I don't really have any dragons which you are breeding, except a vampire adult and a vampire hatchling, but... anyhoo... I'll get to work on it soon.

[Tanitsja]

Well then i got my first one BSL Athena Gaidar, just need to raise a male to breed her with

[Infinis]

Here are my CBs I'll register, sorry it took so long for me to get them. >> Never had time till I got sick and got to stay home from school.

 

Also...are purebreds okay? I've got some PB hellfires and Blacks I'd be happy to register, so I added them here anyway.

 

Thunders:

http://dragcave.net/lineage/bVRZ

http://dragcave.net/lineage/bNUP (Not sure if I can register this, but it's from a CB electric and CB thunder pairing, both of which qualify for this lineage)

http://dragcave.net/lineage/4VeI

http://dragcave.net/lineage/RirO

 

Vampires:

http://dragcave.net/lineage/ulLn

http://dragcave.net/lineage/BSfh

http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZWq3

http://dragcave.net/lineage/LJl6

http://dragcave.net/lineage/gDhE

http://dragcave.net/lineage/9809

http://dragcave.net/lineage/VUnb

http://dragcave.net/lineage/12pX

http://dragcave.net/lineage/TLYi

 

Blacks (including my PB ones, just in case i can register them):

http://dragcave.net/lineage/RVdj

http://dragcave.net/lineage/C82P

http://dragcave.net/lineage/Qcgn

http://dragcave.net/lineage/3NKO

http://dragcave.net/lineage/JFgd

http://dragcave.net/lineage/lNdE

http://dragcave.net/lineage/qQkB

 

Hellfires (Including my PBs):

http://dragcave.net/lineage/8hU6

http://dragcave.net/lineage/l5TV

http://dragcave.net/lineage/XVo3

 

Magi:

http://dragcave.net/lineage/0jWc

http://dragcave.net/lineage/pIo1

 

Electric:

http://dragcave.net/lineage/nmL5

http://dragcave.net/lineage/ZCD1

 

Spitfires:

http://dragcave.net/lineage/LegP

http://dragcave.net/lineage/ccYl

 

 

[aquamarine84]

I picked up a CB Spitfire this morning. I'll be on the prowl once I am unlocked for some other CBs.

 

I also have (already named outside the limits of the lineage) a CB grey, a CB Hellfire/Spitfire pair (foundation for my FullFire lineage as well), and another CB Hellfire. I have a couple of CB Magis, but a few of those at least will be going to Shallow Water breeding projects.

 

I am locked now and will probably be unavailable to breed until Monday, but if anyone wants an egg from the Hellfire/Spitfire pair (identical lineage here) please send me a PM, just realize these also belong to the FullFire lineage and I would prefer them to be named as such.

 

ETA: Has anyone made official banners for the lineage? I can probably work on some next week, when I'm not working so much.

Edited September 8, 2010 by aquamarine84

[Taliax]

I named a fog hatchling for the lineage. --> http://dragcave.net/view/n/BSL%20Great%20Dane%20Kaiser He's named after my friend's deceased great dane, who was a really sweet dog and never hurt anyone. When I get a female I'll name her after Katie, my friend's other great dane who's still alive and scared of everything.

[a_god_s]

I AM SOOOOO IN!!

 

I don't need to quote everyone, but I agree with so many posts I would be quoting almost everyone.

 

I had a Doberman. My family (and many others) were intimidated by his appearance.

His goal in life was to "lean" on every person he met. *shakes head* Now I have a rescue pup, brindle and most call him a pit. Who knows?? To me he looks like a boxer/terrier (fox or rat), not an AmStaff or any of the other bully breeds.

 

BSL is WRONG. Give them ONE inch and they will grab a MILE, when it comes to banning breeds. I say stop it now. Vote NO!

 

I've got some of the CB on the list. I'll be back to register them!

 

 

[Syphoneira]

My dear Delphine, while I don't have scroll-room or time to join another lineage, I did want to thank you for starting this thread and drawing our attention to this insanity.

 

People urging the destruction of dogs based on breed or appearance are NOT well-meaning. (I'll stop there, albeit foaming heavily at the mouth.)

 

I have had several Dobies, elegant, gentle, sensitive lap dogs, whether weighing 70 pounds or over 100, or between, which designated how much of what highly muscular portions would actually fit in my regrettably small lap, lol.

 

They will always be my favorite purebred.

 

My beloved 'special blend' dog, with a combination including Boxer, Whippet, and (going by the classic black 'blanket' and set of his hindquarters,) German Shepherd, who I lost last year at 14 & 1/2, was originally an emergency foster dog from a shelter, which had apparently rescued him as a puppy from a Humane Society about to put him down as a 'pit bull' based on the brindling he had everywhere the black German Shepherd 'blanket' wasn't, although he looked nothing like any 'pit bull' type ever seen.

 

All of my 4 legged pets have been beloved family members - and my wonderful dogs listed above would be/were labelled as 'expendable' in some area or another by the ignorant under this pathological nonsense of those arbitrarily designated as being of 'dangerous breeds or looking similar to one' being worthy only to suffer misery and death.

 

This is a very dangerous attitude in itself, and one that must not be allowed to prevail, and cannot in any truly civilized society.

 

That said, if anyone happens to want and have room for a 4-hour-old CB Hellfire with rather a cute code, please let me know within the next hour, as I'll have to drop it to make room ASAP.

 

Edit: I'm afraid that I didn't sign the petition to repeal and replace the British act because it called for making 'attacks on private property a criminal offence' and there have been too many cases already of people supposedly selling things wandering into fenced back yards clearly posted with 'Beware of Dog' signs and with a dog present 'because nobody answered the front door' so they thought they'd try the back door and of criminals suing because protective dogs prevented them from escaping unscathed from houses they'd broken into with other people's property, beating/raping owners, etc.

Edited September 9, 2010 by Syphoneira

[Sir Barton]

My first BSL baby

 

BSL Pittbull Rebel Yell

 

 

[Triuqs22]

Here's the start of my BSL lineage beauties:

 

http://dragcave.net/lineage/X0c3

 

[beachbeagle]

I have a grey dragon hatchie (hatched tonight) that I got through the Fifth Element Lineage: http://dragcave.net/view/NuNC

 

I'm going to double it over and use it here as well. Waiting on gender before I name it.

[Delphine]

I picked up a CB Spitfire this morning. I'll be on the prowl once I am unlocked for some other CBs.

 

I also have (already named outside the limits of the lineage) a CB grey, a CB Hellfire/Spitfire pair (foundation for my FullFire lineage as well), and another CB Hellfire. I have a couple of CB Magis, but a few of those at least will be going to Shallow Water breeding projects.

 

I am locked now and will probably be unavailable to breed until Monday, but if anyone wants an egg from the Hellfire/Spitfire pair (identical lineage here) please send me a PM, just realize these also belong to the FullFire lineage and I would prefer them to be named as such.

 

ETA: Has anyone made official banners for the lineage? I can probably work on some next week, when I'm not working so much.

Yay we really do need a banner.

[wildwindflower]

i think some bsls can be good. killing dogs that don't bite isn't good but with something small like wearing a muzzle i think better safe than sorry. someone could die

Edited September 11, 2010 by wildwindflower

[Delphine]

i think some bsls can be good. killing dogs that don't bite isn't good but with something small like wearing a muzzle i think better safe than sorry. someone could die

There is nothing good with BSL, their one true goal is not keeping people safe. We need to edcucate ALL dog owners better because dogs who were raised well will NOT attack people. I have had six dobermans in my life and all of them were far from the evil devil dogs people see on TV. In fact two were dealthy afraid of storms and one of them loved people so much you had to fear her jumpping up into our guests laps. Trust me if we give BSL a foothold in ANYTHING muzzles included it will only lead to dogs deaths. BSL has already claimed the lives of hundreds of dogs and MUST be stopped.

 

@Syphoneira: Thank you so much, I know how it feels for I too am a lover of the doberman breed. Never have I found a better friend in any other dog. I could not imagine a world without the doberman and a world without any of those breeds. BSL needs to end or we will lose mans best friend and I am fully willing to do everything to stop it.

 

@a_god_s: that sounds like my last dob as well. She LOVED to lean on people. All these BSL breeds are such kind dogs and so loving if the right family raises them. It is not a bad dog or a bad breed but a BAD OWNER that causes these dog attacks. Bad owners should be banned not the dogs. They are all innocent until proven guilty and aside from getting into the trash my dog is not a guilty one. I also agree that if we give them even just an inch they will take a mile because in the end BSL wants the banning. That is what it is all about. They do not feel the public is safe until 'dangerous dog breeds' are cleared off the street completly.

Edited September 11, 2010 by Delphine

[Juanfan]

My first BSL Dragon:

BSL German Shephard Roxy

 

 

 

 

[Delphine]

I got an egg for the lineage weee....little spitfire, all I need now is to wait.

[wildwindflower]

what about the people who want there dogs to be mean and ferocious. and what do you do with dogs that are already mean?

[Delphine]

what about the people who want there dogs to be mean and ferocious. and what do you do with dogs that are already mean?

See that is the problem...not the dogs but the owners. We need to be more strickt on owners. As for dogs that are already mean they actualy in the right hands can still make good family dogs. I know two pits that were rescued from dog fighters who are loving and wonderful family pets. If you raise a dog up right it will be a good dog. I mean there are even people who raise their little dogs wrong and even those little dogs are dangerous. Working at an animal shelter I have been bitten by more little dogs than big dogs. I have been bitten by one big dog and that was because it had a hurt hip and when I touched this hip it tried to give me a warning snap but knicked my finger.

 

In fact I know more small dog attacks than big dog attacks and have even heard of small dogs killing infants. This is all due to BAD OWNERS. Rather than ban a dog breed or put restrictions on owning them we need to look into the people with these 'troublesome' dogs and just simply not let them get dogs until they are properly educated on the raising and training of their dogs. (any and all breeds of dogs) The peopel who want mean dogs or fighrting dogs should just not even be allowed near animals or small children because those are the people who don't care about human safty. They are most likly also the peopel who are more than happy to rape or kill or rob someone.

[Emerald_Shadowclaw]

See that is the problem...not the dogs but the owners. We need to be more strickt on owners. As for dogs that are already mean they actualy in the right hands can still make good family dogs. I know two pits that were rescued from dog fighters who are loving and wonderful family pets. If you raise a dog up right it will be a good dog. I mean there are even people who raise their little dogs wrong and even those little dogs are dangerous. Working at an animal shelter I have been bitten by more little dogs than big dogs. I have been bitten by one big dog and that was because it had a hurt hip and when I touched this hip it tried to give me a warning snap but knicked my finger.

 

In fact I know more small dog attacks than big dog attacks and have even heard of small dogs killing infants. This is all due to BAD OWNERS. Rather than ban a dog breed or put restrictions on owning them we need to look into the people with these 'troublesome' dogs and just simply not let them get dogs until they are properly educated on the raising and training of their dogs. (any and all breeds of dogs) The peopel who want mean dogs or fighrting dogs should just not even be allowed near animals or small children because those are the people who don't care about human safty. They are most likly also the peopel who are more than happy to rape or kill or rob someone.

^ This. Just this.

 

Totally agreed with you there, Delphine. Now, when I finally get the time to go CB-hunting...

[kelverathewinged]

A lot of the problem is people not understanding what to do with dogs. I've had so many human students who didn't want to socialize thier dogs because they wanted the dogs to be protective. I have explained so many times that dogs like Rotties or Dobies who have protective instincts bred in will still protect them from an intruder if they've been properly socialized. If they haven't been properly socialized, however, that dog will probably also "protect" them from their elderly parents coming for a visit, the meter reader for the gas company, and their son's 7 year old buddy who comes over to play. Socialization is MORE important in dogs that are supposed to be "for protection" because those dogs need to be taught how to recognize what's a threat and what is not. So those people who "want their dog to be mean" quite often don't want that at all, they want a dog who will act as a guard dog and that's a very different thing than a "mean" dog.

 

I've named my first BSL baby- meet BSL Dobby Sensitive Artist.

 

PS- Delphine, what do you think about adding Terrae dragons to the project? There's nothing in their description about being fierce or dangerous but they are "gentle giants" just like quite a few of the breeds on the list. They're the first dragons I think of to represent breeds like Danes and Mastiffs anyway. Just a thought.

Edited September 12, 2010 by kelverathewinged

[Dementia]

I have to make a comment on that list of "dangerous" dogs. First one that made me mad was the Akita. There is a famous dog name Hatchiko in Japan who was an Akita and was the most faithful dog you could ever meet. It made me want an Akita. Wiki says they get aggressive when they have nothing to do because they are so intelligent. All you have to do there is make sure they always have something to do! The second one that made me mad is the Laborador Retriever. I have had two Labbies. Neither were aggressive. Samson was actually probably the most gentle dog I've ever met, and Savanna wouldn't hurt a fly. Maybe squirrels and rabbits, but not a fly. The next one that upset me was the English Mastiff. My friend has an English Mastiff who looks very scary but the only thing dangerous about her is standing too close to her tail when she's wagging it. It hurts to be hit by that tail. The last one that made me mad was the Samoyed. I've met a Samoyed and he was the fluffiest, cutest, sweetest thing I've ever seen. Wiki even said that they make bad guard dogs because they're so friendly, and that finding an aggressive Samoyed is rare. I'm sure there are many other dogs on that list that are not naturally aggressive. Then I went back to the list and saw Golden Retriever on there! There was a Golden in my city shot by a police officer who mistook Fluppy's barking as aggression. Keeshond was also on there and I met the sweetest Keeshond puppy while on vacation once. I have met many sweet pit bulls and bull dogs and rotties. People misunderstand big dogs, or dogs that do not have an appealing look. BIG =/= DANGEROUS! I can't join this right now because of personal projects and such, but I DEFINITELY support your cause!

[beachbeagle]

I found looking on my scroll that I have 3 pairings where both dragons are CB and eligible breeds for this project. I believe someone already asked and there was confirmation that such pairings could be used so long as the offspring was given a "BSL" name.

 

With this in mind, I'm probably going to breed dragons from each of these pairings to incorporate into this lineage.

Edited September 12, 2010 by beachbeagle

[Delphine]

A lot of the problem is people not understanding what to do with dogs. I've had so many human students who didn't want to socialize thier dogs because they wanted the dogs to be protective. I have explained so many times that dogs like Rotties or Dobies who have protective instincts bred in will still protect them from an intruder if they've been properly socialized. If they haven't been properly socialized, however, that dog will probably also "protect" them from their elderly parents coming for a visit, the meter reader for the gas company, and their son's 7 year old buddy who comes over to play. Socialization is MORE important in dogs that are supposed to be "for protection" because those dogs need to be taught how to recognize what's a threat and what is not. So those people who "want their dog to be mean" quite often don't want that at all, they want a dog who will act as a guard dog and that's a very different thing than a "mean" dog.

 

I've named my first BSL baby- meet BSL Dobby Sensitive Artist.

 

PS- Delphine, what do you think about adding Terrae dragons to the project? There's nothing in their description about being fierce or dangerous but they are "gentle giants" just like quite a few of the breeds on the list. They're the first dragons I think of to represent breeds like Danes and Mastiffs anyway. Just a thought.

Oh yes the terrea dragons are very much like the grate danes and mastifs. I'll add them to the list.