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I suddenly recalled that there IS of course the FEMALE condom. Cheaper than the pill, and men can damn well put up with it if they won't use johnnies. smile.gif

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I suddenly recalled that there IS of course the FEMALE condom. Cheaper than the pill, and men can damn well put up with it if they won't use johnnies. smile.gif

I hear that thing gets lost in the caverns of a woman's vaginal tract a helluva lot. It's a bit awkward.

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It has a higher failure rate than the kind for men, but it sure as all get out is better than nothing. They're also inexpensive, don't cause weight gain, don't need a prescription...there's a lot of upsides.

 

There are other over the counter contraceptives for women as well.

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Um.

 

Well.

 

I used to work for a doctor.

 

We had an intelligent charming married couple in their thirties on our list.

 

They were having trouble getting pregnant.

 

To cut a long story short (this possibility never OCCURRED to my boss at first.... so he did all sorts of tests...) - well, you cannot actually GET pregnant via the female urethra. This also explains why she found sex painful. blink.gif

 

Good sex ed is ESSENTIAL. The earlier the better. And as I said - the evidence is that getting it early, with relationship education and teaching basic respect for other people REDUCES sexual activity, NOT the reverse.

My sister (who obviously does NOT read this board xd.png ) made the same mistake with her first period. (tampon in wrong spot) She told me it was pretty painful. Makes me wonder how often that happens. And you did not talk about anything remotely sexual in our house. No explanations, nothing. That door was shut and welded.

 

As far as BC costs it's worth mentioning that the median income in the US has been falling. And I think that does get reflected in birth rates.

 

"Yearly median household income reached its lowest level since 1996, slipping to $49,445 from $50,599 the year before. The 46.2 million Americans living in poverty was the highest in the 52 years since the Census Bureau began gathering that statistic and was up from 43.6 million in 2009."

 

Also, if I recall correctly, weren't there two major recalls for BC pills this year due to the manufacturer packaging them wrong?

 

And a wee extra thing, those fetal pain laws that restrict abortion to 19/18/20 weeks are getting a challenge in Idaho from a Catholic doctor. So yes, not everyone Catholic is as our cassocked pro-life friends praying outside clinics.

http://news.yahoo.com/idaho-doctor-lawyer-...-072401298.html

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My sister (who obviously does NOT read this board xd.png ) made the same mistake with her first period. (tampon in wrong spot) She told me it was pretty painful. Makes me wonder how often that happens.

O_o

 

I really don't get that. I mean, yes I do, but...no. I don't! Especially not with cases like fuzz mentioned. OMG. Ow.

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O_o

 

I really don't get that. I mean, yes I do, but...no. I don't! Especially not with cases like fuzz mentioned. OMG. Ow.

Agreed. *shudders*

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My sister (who obviously does NOT read this board xd.png ) made the same mistake with her first period. (tampon in wrong spot) She told me it was pretty painful. Makes me wonder how often that happens.

 

...just... HOW? I don't understand! I mean, I don't even think I could do that if I tried! (Not that I will. EVER.) ohmy.gif

 

Oh, and I absolutely concur with fuzzbucket. Good sex ed is essential. There's no reason NOT to teach it -- being anti-sex-ed is also being anti-reproductive-system-health! It's vital and healthy to understand how your own body works, what to expect of it, how to take care of it, how to recognize if something is amiss... The same attitude that tries to ban sex-ed is the attitude that results in teenagers having anal sex so they won't "lose their virginity," kids having sex without condoms because they're too timid to face the disapproval of the local adult behind the counter by buying any, young women not even knowing what time of the month they're most likely to get pregnant or that they ought to see a gynecologist on a yearly basis after they become sexually active -- and, if they abstain, then just after a certain age. Knowing how to do self-breast-exams, knowing what kind of vaginal discharge and mucus is normal and not normal, knowing how heavy or light a period can be and when you ought to worry, and so on!

 

I was lucky enough to have a nurse for a mom, who was also a co-leader of our Girl Scout troop, and she arranged for any girl & parent pairs who wanted to go to a talk at the local hospital about "Growing Up Female." It was very informative and tasteful, and covered so much information that we didn't get in school, even *with* sex-ed classes. I shudder to think how little some students were ever taught...

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...just... HOW? I don't understand! I mean, I don't even think I could do that if I tried! (Not that I will. EVER.) ohmy.gif

Seriously. *twitch*

 

My friend has helped out answering phones for PP to answer questions about sex ed type stuff. Some of the stuff she's been asked...horror stories.

 

I was lucky enough to have a nurse for a mom, who was also a co-leader of our Girl Scout troop, and she arranged for any girl & parent pairs who wanted to go to a talk at the local hospital about "Growing Up Female."  It was very informative and tasteful, and covered so much information that we didn't get in school, even *with* sex-ed classes.  I shudder to think how little some students were ever taught...

 

Aww, that's neat. I don't even want to think about the fit I'm sure a lot of the parents from my troop would have thrown if we'd tried this. Would have been lovely, though.

 

And how-many-ever-ed on good sex ed being essential. My friend shared some blog post with me by a girl who basically wrote down a whole sex ed course based on things she'd been asked by her boyfriends (including how birth control worked exactly, why more than one condom wasn't a good idea, and etc.). Dun remember where it was, but it's pretty scary some of the things people can think.

Not only is good sex ed essential period, it should also be first on pro-lifers agenda. It doesn't promote sex; it helps teach kids to wait until they're ready, and when they are ready, they'll know how to stay safe and baby-less until they're ready.

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H-how can a tampon.... let alone that... fit in the urethra? @_@

 

Just... just...

 

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I'll never know, but apparently it's not ridiculously uncommon. Not common either, but hardly unheard of.

 

On a side note, I'd like to toss another number out there because of what I've been seeing tossed around as the cost for generic birth control for a month. Admittedly it will vary from brand to brand and based on how large a dose you have, but I lost a pack of my birth control (which thankfully my insurance covers) a couple months ago. Replacing the lost pack was not covered, and even for my generic script it was 70 dollars for a month. This is more than double the 30 that was stated earlier.

 

Admittedly condoms purchased from a drugstore will be comparable if not more expensive (depending on how often you have sex) than my BCP with insurance (about 7 dollars a month), but it's also sometimes close to the only option. Because of the other medication one of my friends is on, she's incapable of getting the shot, taking the pill, using an intravaginal ring, or virtually any other method that involves hormones. She's managed to find another solution, though, in buying her condoms in bulk from suppliers. Stored properly, condoms can take a year or more before they "expire", so if you're planning on having sex every other day or so, you can often get your condoms cheaper than in the overpriced 10 packs at your local grocery or drugstore. Course, that only works if you're very active and have a partner who won't refuse to wear a condom.

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Did a quick search for sex-ed horror stories.

 

A few choice ones that just make me shake my head in shame at how stupid people can be to protest proper sex-ed:

 

“My Catholic high school ‘taught’ sex ed in such a roundabout, abstinence-only way, that I realised after graduation that all my knowledge about reproduction, etc, came from my Biology texts and ‘All About My Body’ - which my Mum gave me when I was 11. Praise Mum!”

 

“I was presented with a handy diagram of a girl and boy in a boat on a river. the waves get choppy once they hold hands,and when they kiss, there’s rocks. Then they “do it” and the go off the edge of the waterfall into the flames of hell. Yes. My sex ed teacher drew the flames of hell at the base of a waterfall.”

 

 

...With sex-ed like that, it's really no wonder kids are having babies and then needing abortions. -_-'

 

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H-how can a tampon.... let alone that... fit in the urethra? @_@

 

Just... just...

 

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And then can you imagine how much it would hurt if she went to pee and the tampon started suddenly expanding!?

 

D:

 

I can't even find my urethra, let alone fit stuff in it.

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The price I was stating was an average I found. That's a very pricy generic--some brands don't cost that much.

 

(And that image really does fit so well. I still can't fit my mind around that. I've heard it before, but good God.)

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These laws are getting stupider and stupider. I get petitions sent to me online and this one is about Honduras' pollies trying to ban the morning after pill.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/no_prison_for_cont...9697726&v=13637

 

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Ow that is expensive. the Pill variety that I'm on is listed at around 25$ AU on the box and I get it for pensioner's rate of around $6. That's a 4-cycle supply.

ETA: I am actually celibate, I need it for medical reasons. I've been on it since around 14.

 

And about the sex-ed stuff, I don't think anyone bothered to teach me much, the PDHPE classes in school were mainly 'dont take drugs' and repeated the same content every year. I learned stuff through the internet, biology textbooks, and from sneaking out one of my stepdad's porn mags from his 'secret' stash. It is ridiculous how the most natural thing is so taboo. In fact, there was even a comic about it somewhere... lemme rummage and edit this when I find it. Found it: user posted image

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Um.

 

Well.

 

I used to work for a doctor.

 

We had an intelligent charming married couple in their thirties on our list.

 

They were having trouble getting pregnant.

 

To cut a long story short (this possibility never OCCURRED to my boss at first.... so he did all sorts of tests...) - well, you cannot actually GET pregnant via the female urethra. This also explains why she found sex painful.  blink.gif

 

Good sex ed is ESSENTIAL. The earlier the better. And as I said - the evidence is that getting it early, with relationship education and teaching basic respect for other people REDUCES sexual activity, NOT the reverse.

But...how? Why? Wouldn't they have figured out after a while that...something was wrong?

That just sounds -shudder- painful. Did neither of them have good sex ed?

 

 

Good sex-ed + easy to obtain (price and location wise) contraceptives is important. ><

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Couldn't that be violating the buisnesses rights in making the pill?

ya but just think its saving a 'actual human' baby that 'apparently' can feel pain before the cut off point of abortions and will curse you for it when their somehow condemned . ow and can be anything but something that the mother loaths or harms their mothers. Hump. dry.gif

 

but ya they are violating businesses rights of those people but they have been doing everything against the law and constitution, here in the US that is. they love to attack equal rights, free speech, business rights, and things like that there just getting more creative don't you think? *sigh*

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But...how? Why? Wouldn't they have figured out after a while that...something was wrong?

That just sounds -shudder- painful. Did neither of them have good sex ed?

 

 

Good sex-ed + easy to obtain (price and location wise) contraceptives is important. ><

I am uncertain that good sex-ed would have solved that, actually >_< Boys need to be taught all the girl-parts and girls need to be taught all the boy-parts, but if, after they are married, a woman does not know enough about her own body to point the guy in the right direction and a man doesn't make the effort to do a little exploring on his wife...the situation is pretty grim.

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H-how can a tampon.... let alone that... fit in the urethra? @_@

 

Just... just...

/horrified nod

 

TBH, I only have a vague idea where that is. D:

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/horrified nod

 

TBH, I only have a vague idea where that is. D:

Well, it can vary slightly from person to person -- aaaand I can't find the link I wanted to. sad.gif Basically, imagine that sexual organs can develop on a sliding scale, depending on an individual's genetics; so some women may have a larger "foyer" entrance to both the urethra and the vaginal canal, while in others, it's shallower. Generally, though, a woman has outer labia, inner labia, and inside those there are two openings: the upper, very small, is the urethral opening, and the lower, larger, is the vagina.

 

You can see and read more here, but it's Not Safe For Work (nudity in the top border, photos of genitals).

 

Seriously. I just... I mean... HOW do you confuse the two? (And skinst, that is the best picture ever for the conversation at hand.)

 

I'm feeling yet another moment of "thank you, Mom!" That "Growing Up Female" talk, mostly menstruation-focused, was *great* in terms of understanding your own body parts, including a clear plastic pelvic anatomical model, so we could see where everything was and watch a demonstration of using a tampon, before any of us ever got our periods. It was good preparation!

 

@god.ofthedead... Abstinence Class? *seriously??* That's really alarming. My high school definitely taught us about all the kinds of birth control that were then available, and to try whenever possible to use 2 kinds (pill and condom, condom and spermicide, etc.) as well as all STIs and how they were transmitted, and of course all the basics of "this goes in there" and sperm and eggs and all that (though IMO I still think they skirted a few important things; I think I learned the words masturbation and orgasm from Cosmo magazine). But my sister (only 2 years younger) thinks the system changed in between us, and she doesn't remember ever being taught sex ed! Not even in an "abstinence-only" form! I'm sure that a lot of teens without sufficient sex ed end up having sex (and often getting pregnant in the process) out of pure curiosity/desperation to understand what the heck it IS.

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Just came up with an interesting analogy...

 

Adoption agencies are a lot like the AP. Tons of people are always waiting in there for eggs. And yet it's usually so full it blocks the cave. But why? Well, everyone's waiting for a rare egg to come along. Now imagine that rare egg is a healthy, "perfect" baby, and all the other eggs are the rest of the kids who don't get adopted.

 

And that is Jimmy's random thought for the day.

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Just came up with an interesting analogy...

 

Adoption agencies are a lot like the AP. Tons of people are always waiting in there for eggs. And yet it's usually so full it blocks the cave. But why? Well, everyone's waiting for a rare egg to come along. Now imagine that rare egg is a healthy, "perfect" baby, and all the other eggs are the rest of the kids who don't get adopted.

 

And that is Jimmy's random thought for the day.

That's a great analogy, I think. It's how I feel, anyway. There are more people wanting to adopt than there are ideal kids in the system--most of those people probably want a cute little baby, not some troubled teen who has a major problem (say, depression, or a mental/physical disability) and is in desperate need of a loving family to help them out with their issues.

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(And skinst, that is the best picture ever for the conversation at hand.)

I've been waiting to use that picture for something. ^^; Is that bad? tongue.gif

 

Jimmy, great analogy. biggrin.gif

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I am not surprised at all that a young women would mistake the vaginal opening and the urethra. Well surprised in the fact that it had to hurt like hell. But not in the fact that the accident occurred. Considering young women are often told sex is horrifically painful (to keep them from trying) what else would a young women expect when she inserts a tampon.

 

 

My own husband was raised so conservatively christian it was not till after we were married that I found out he thought women urinated out of their vagina's.

 

 

When my twin sister first attempted to use a tampon she had no idea what she was doing and inserted the entire tampon with out removing the cardboard applicator. She walked out of the bathroom complaining how uncomfortable it was. She did not actually read the directions. So it has been a running joke for 18 years now "well did you read the directions?"

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I am not surprised at all that a young women would mistake the vaginal opening and the urethra. Well surprised in the fact that it had to hurt like hell. But not in the fact that the accident occurred. Considering young women are often told sex is horrifically painful (to keep them from trying) what else would a young women expect when she inserts a tampon.

Yes... but this wasn't about tampons, it was about actually having sex with her husband. I'm *amazed* (in a horrified way) that *neither* of them figured out what the problem was until they went to a doctor!!

 

ETA: Since we're on the topic of sex ed, what do you (any of the people here) think ought to be included in a proper sex ed program? What would be the best information or teaching methods for promoting reproductive health, preventing unwanted pregnancies, and keeping people from making mistakes like the one mentioned above?

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