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  1. Hello i know i have not been on the forum in a good while cause last Nov i reveived a a very early Chistmas present an here is a video of him trying to get his tail lol. He is an australian shepherd named Teddy Bear. He is very smart an he is almost nine months old now.

     

  2. Well today woke up to find my parakeet sick so stayed with him he snuggled an did not want me to leave he was breathing hard. He would sort of walk fast if i moved my hand like do not move want to snuggle then around three he passed on.Was very hard cleaning the cage an his stuff thinking how he played an chirped to songs he liked.😭

  3. On 8/5/2019 at 8:28 AM, Alegra said:

    I'm okay, really. I can cope but just wanted a place to vent... and this place is really old to me. Sometimes you need a connection with your old self, even if it's something seemingly silly like an internet forum.

    Disclaimer: Mention and details of pet death

     

    In April, my dog died. At 2am on a monday morning I signed a piece of paper to agree to his euthanasia. All I had ever wanted was this dog. At eleven years old I paid one hundred dollars for this dorky, yellow, insane bundle of labrador puppy. What is a labrador to a lonely, weird, lost eleven year old living in a daily routine of chaos? Salvation. A family, a best friend, warmth in a house with holes in the walls and floor with no heating. I was not parted for more than 24 hours from this dog for years. I didn't have a genuine human friend until mid high school. The only joy in my life was spending hours out of the house in the bush with this dog, and the depth of night quietly curled up with him on a tiny single bed after all the sources of screaming had passed out.

     

    You always know they will die, but a decade is an impossible eternity to a teenager. Well, there goes that eternity. I was trying to piece my life together last year, I was holding a job for the first time in my life. I was saving so I could afford a place we would be secure in, and so I would have an emergency fund to take care of us. Funny that.

     

    You were only ten, Boof. I told you I wanted a good healthy sixteen years out of you. Only ten. I can't type out the details, but it was cancer, hemangiosarcoma. He lived through an initial ruptured spleen, splenectomy, a miraculous emergency surgery involving two blood transfusions. The vets were surprised I had agreed to pay that much money for such small odds. They told me to go home that day but I was actually waiting in my car in the shopping complex across the road. I'm not religious but I was pleading with something.

     

    So he was with me for another eight months. I think I did a lot of the grieving then, but when you were doing well I fell into some false hope too. I was driving him six hours across the state every third week to the oncologist for scans and chemo. And what a lovely blessing veterinary oncologists are. But it was hard, it was really hard when I wasn't doing well anyway and had to work so much.

     

    I was ridiculed, by people who don't understand the point of veterinary oncology (they do not use chemo in the same was as human doctors), and who didn't understand the value of those eight months. I worked near full time hours in a job I really couldn't cope with for months to give him everything I could, and then I quit to spend every moment I could with him. I hate when people now ask me if I regret it like I surely must do. I'd sell you to satan for one day with him thanks.

     

    My whole life was keeping him alive and keeping him comfortable and watching him. You worry about like, how will I know when it's time? Maybe they are right that what I'm doing is stupid and somehow unfair to him? But you know, and you don't feel the same anymore. That night, he was restless, and when he looked at me I just knew. It was like my purpose switched from watching him to make sure he was fine, to this critical need to make sure he could pass away peacefully, before the pain was too much.

     

    So he's gone. I was lying on the clinic floor with him for a long time, and when the vet administered the final syringe I held his head level with mine as it began to fall lifeless to gravity.

     

    He was also the last remaining... anything of my life beyond the past couple years. I am no contact with my mother(2+years), and as a result the rest of my family cut me off, which causes a lot of pain...

    I callously pushed away my former best friend when I was very destructive(2+years ago).

    Though it is a wonderful thing, I have now recovered completely from an eating disorder and personality disorder which defined my life for a decade.

    My identity now is stripped of all these things... and now the love of my life too.

     

    I do have some amazing friends now, and a partner who I love dearly. Their families are wonderful and kind and very welcoming. But they are not my family. At least, they will not be for a long time. My whole childhood was dense in trauma and pain and just everything else defining about your formative years. How do you just pick up now and go, Well, hunky dory, I'm completely fine and happy with these new people and routines ? How and when does it begin to feel like you, and like your life?

     

    Because it doesn't. Because I'm glad for these friends, my health, my partner... but I'd rather have Boof. I'd rather have my lost friend. I don't know how to heal with that, I know it's not an either or, but I'm just this sort of person. I don't know how to add to my life when my foundations are missing.

     

    Know how your feeling loosing a pet who is family is awful had to many to pass on myself right now i have a fourteen year old dog that i am keeping a very watchful eye on. You will find it not so hard as time goes by but you will think of him an cry i still cry over pets i had when i was twelve years old till now. if you ever need to talk just message me ok.:)

     

     on anouther note i  came on here to say i am going thru some health trouble found out i have gallbladder stones waiting for an appointment to see what can be done not to scared yet but i know i will be when the time comes to get it taken out. I have had surgery before but still scarey when you think about it.

  4. Found out today my mom has Colon cancer  it was a shock to us all but i am hoping they got it early enuff that they can do the surgery to remove it all. Just pray that everything will be ok i hate seeing anyone sick.The thought scares me that we might loose her to worse cancer if it spread any where else. :(

  5. Players please read thru all my posts instead of picking what parts you want  an i told everyone to stay on topic this is not an abortion thread an if you would read i said animals do not have other animals killing their unborn babies . Ok Know what you guys are not staying on topic so this thread will be taken down by the right mods I told you guys to stay on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Also you guys keep an seem like your targeting only me on here on what i say which is in the rules that you do not target players i believe so since like i said i asked you all to stay on topic this thread is closed  thanks guys for this it seems like the only topics you guys acually discuss on is your own so signing off thanks for letting me know how  ypu guys treat players i believe i will never come back to a rude forum again nore a rude game if you all are like this.

  6. 2 minutes ago, Skadi said:

    It honestly sounds like you've never had experience in the position of having a family member potentially be stuck on life support and brain-dead for the rest of their lives. I honestly have, and it's a very, very hard thing to handle. It wasn't my decision, but I knew it was a decision my family didn't make lightly, and I'm glad they let him pass naturally than be stuck on unnatural life support while legally dead.

     

    I can't imagine any of my family members "living" like that. I don't want to. It's not living. If you believe in the afterlife, you're actively denying someone from that afterlife to have no brain functions at all. I do, so to me it's a horrible, horrible fate.

    Yes i have several of my family members my grandparents an others but to be starved an not getting food is not the way to go i am not meaning those who are on life support i am talking about those who the bill is taking about those who do not refuse to eat or drink.An they are not being fed or given water an they are the dementia patients.

  7. 8 minutes ago, GhostMouse said:


    So do you understand now that the only people starving to death are the ones who choose to?

     

    Do you understand that the people in favor of these laws want to give terminal patients access to euthanasia so they don't have to choose starvation?

    Yes an like the guy's wife in the video i know it was just one case but how many more cases are out there having the same thing done that to me is scary. Discuss as long as you want about the bill but as for me i need to log out see you guys later.

  8. Please no more about abortion if you want to talk about abortion go to the right thread for this so please keep this on  topic this topic is not about that at all it is about the bill in Oregon an mods it seems like this will never be on topic again so do as you wish delete or keep it is up to you now. like i said when i read what the link said it concerned me allot because who's to say that they will not pass a bill to kill those who are like me crippled not able to work an stuff? To me this bill is just the beginning of  it is all.

  9. 8 minutes ago, GhostMouse said:


    You literally started this post by talking about abortion. There was no way of knowing those weren't your own words. You could have written your own thoughts about this but chose not to. None of us can read your mind.

    Anyway,

    So you're saying that you are fine with euthanasia via methods other than starvation? Am I understanding you correctly? Medically assisted suicide, for example, would be fine with you?

    Quoting from the article that you linked (emphasis mine).
     


    It is still an option, not something that would happen to anyone who didn't opt into it. That is a made up concern. 

    But they are trying to make it easier for terminal patients to have access to those drugs, so that people don't have to choose to starve.
     


     

    ok know what you only read what you want to if you read the post as a whole you would have seen it was about the bill not abortion an yes i do believe that if someone wants to die that docs an caregivers can help but starving them to death.That is a very hard way to die.

  10. 18 minutes ago, Princess Kiara said:

     

     

    I didn't bring it up, you did.

    Like i said before if you read my post it was a quot from some one on Facebook  a family member had put the first link i gave on my facebook page. An i thought it a fitting topic so please keep this on topic thank you  if you want to talk about abortion then go to that thread ok how many times do i have to say that? Now getting back on topic i understand that dying in dignity is fine but causing one not to eat or drink  if they want to  is wrong to me anyway. An if they refuse to eat do not let them suffer like the  guy's wife in the video was done to her. I know it is not just Oregon but a few other states as well.

  11. 4 minutes ago, Princess Kiara said:

    You brought it up yourself, you shouldn't be surprised when called out on spreading inaccurate and misogynistic information.

     

    In nature, animals often kill their entire litters once born. They can't have an abortion, so they kill or abandon them after they're born. They do it. Not humans. They do it, because for whatever reason they don't want to raise them.

     

    And yes, fetuses' cells are dividing. So are those of a cancerous tumor, as @Ruby Eyes said. Does it then follow that removal of a cancerous tumor is also 'murder', since the cells are alive and came from a human? Would you also argue that a cancerous tumor is a human? How far does this go? If a doctor amputates someone's leg, is that also murder because the cells making up the leg are alive?

     

    The fetus is living human tissue, yes, but it is not a human, any more than the appendix removed in an appendectomy is a human.

    How we are talking about the bill so please if you want to talk about abortin go the that thread ok i asked you one time to do so an quoting what some one said on facebook an  i put my opion on it did not mean for you to make this into an abortion thread so please go to the adortion thread instead of here thank you.

  12. 17 minutes ago, Princess Kiara said:

    The link may be right, but you are not. (As an aside, Wikipedia is not a good source for anything.)

    I guess it's lucky then that abortion is not "unlawful", a fetus is not "another human" and a perfectly good justification is "I don't want to let anything grow inside me".

    Spay aborts are also a thing in animals. But if you want to stay strictly to nature:

     

    Animals in heat mate. That's a fact. It has nothing to do with whether or not they want babies. Their hormones make them want to mate, so they do. That's regardless of whether or not they actually want to breed.

    Non human animals cannot have abortions done, they cannot understand or ask for one. But once the litter is born, many of them can and will kill the babies, because they aren't cut out to be parents and they don't want to care for them, so they rip them to pieces as soon as they're born. That's not pretty, it's not cute, but it's nature and nature is harsh. It's much more humane to stop a fetus's development before it's even really alive.

     

    Additionally, the moment of death is when a person no longer has any measurable EEG brain waves, not when the heart stops. If we therefore take the medical, legal definition of death, and turn it around and apply it to fetuses...they don't have EEG waves until at least week 24 of gestation. So a fetus prior to those stages is, quite literally, not truly alive; or alive only in the sense that its cells and tissues are capable of dividing.

     

     

    Ok so who does this spaying abortions hmmmm oh we do humans do not other animals four legged kind.So ok so say your preg an the fetus is not human then what is it? do the doctors take out a cat a dog or any other animal beside a human? An anouther thing you said that fetuses are not truliy alive then how does the cells devide an grow if the cells themselves are dead? Can you take a dead cell an make it alive an grow to something? I do not think you can .So the cells that make up a fetus is very much alive  think on this. 

     

     

    Now i do not know how this topic went from the old being staved to death in Oregon  to unborn babies but keep this on topic please thank you. if you want to talk about abortion any more go to the abortion thread please.

  13. 18 minutes ago, Princess Kiara said:

    😅 what you don't seem to get is that they are not starved unless they WANT to. It's their choice. No one is going to kill someone who doesn't want to die.

     

    And yes, killing fetuses* is perfectly okay. 

     

    I can hardly understand your English, but if you're saying what I think you're saying... Non human animals can and often do decide not to be parents. They don't have the necessary knowledge and equipment to be able to abort, but many times, birds, rabbits, dogs and cats will tear their entire litter to pieces, even when there's nothing wrong with them. Some animals, just like some women, are not cut out to be mothers. And that's fine! Aborting a non sentient fetus is FAR more humane than what the non human animals do. Abortion is not murder.

     

    What you're saying is quite frankly extremely ignorant and offensive to women. Abortion is an extremely expensive, painful and unpleasant procedure. No one is getting pregnant just to abort. It's a difficult decision. Did you know that 1 out of every 4 women has had an abortion? We just don't speak of it because of all the hate you pro-birthers spew. Abortion is a very personal choice, if you don't like it then don't abort, it's really that simple. Neither you, nor the government, have any right to interfere with anyone's reproductive choices.

    So your saying that animals will allow anouther animal to reach in an kill their baby? The only animals who do that is humans No other animal will decide hey i do not want this baby so get rid of it for me no i never heard of any animal exept humans doing that.An if they do not want a baby they do not mate so what else do you have? an if abortion is not murder then what is it? lets see  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder   So if this link is right then what you going to deny a human the right to live? An also do not tell me that there is to many kids out there that need families an i should adopt .I say to you so can you with having to  kill an unborn baby.

  14. Ok so dieing with dignity is a long way from starving someone to allow them to die an so your saying stll that killing unborn babies is ok? Asking you a question here do animals the four legged ones think ok i am having this or these babies i want someone to reach in an kill them? No they give birth to them an if the fetus dies it is because of nature not because anouther took it's life. So we are the only animals on earth that say hey i have sex i get preg i can get rid of this other human with no second thought. I can get preg all i want an if i do not want the baby off to the the docs who want to murder so i can live my life with out anouther human in my life. An if i decide to have a family i will ,  i do not care about all the other kids i  allowed to get killed in side of me my body my life. That is how i look at each woman who does abort my opinion. An like i said it is like a wave on the water it is small at first then grows first the unborn then the old people then those who society  thinks unfit to live is this right ?  The killing of any human is wrong be it the unborn old and up to those who are crippled or have illnesses that were born with it. People today have no respect of other an no morals at all it seems. Also there are places that help women to care for these babies. The first one was a guy who made life warriors an my mom like others helped him to help women in need to take care of themselves as well as the babies once  the babies came.Life warriors is gone now not because of not wanting to help but more an ore places came to help the women so see there is places that will help a woman thru her preg an after the baby is born so saying we do not care we do care if not then we all would say well who cares.

  15. 8 minutes ago, GhostMouse said:

    Your link is broken (it gives me a 404 error) but I believe this is the same article? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-oregon-pushing-to-give-patients-with-degenerative-diseases-the-right-to-die/2018/03/11/3b6a2362-230e-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html?utm_term=.4ccaba3a2bbc

     


    Yes, but crucially, this is only with the patient's consent. This is with a signed advanced directive. The issue, the thing that is happening without consent, is keeping suffering people alive when they want to die. Doctors, nursing homes, families are not going to start killing off the elderly for fun. No one wants to see their patients or loved ones die. This bill gives people a choice (which again, I know must be a scary and complicated concept for the anti-choice crowd).

    Ok but what if they did not consent an an elderly person does want to eat an drink but the caregiver keeps that away from them Starving them to death that in itself is so wrong in so many levels. Like the man in the video said he watched his wife starve to death i could not handle that i would have taken a ball bat to the docs an who ever else was starving my loved ones. Know i know that giving the patients drugs to pass on  but starving?

  16. 3 minutes ago, Princess Kiara said:

    @Laryal ...no, ONLY the ones who do not want to live will get no nutrition. That's pretty clear. No one should be forced to live if they truly don't want to and have no chance of getting better.

     

    Also, science does not care if you think that abortion is 'killing'. It's literally not. Most abortions are early gestation abortions, done far before the fetus even develops the capability to feel pain at around 26 weeks. It cannot think, it cannot feel and it most certainly is not a human. I've seen fetuses at 11 weeks, which is somewhat later than the average gestation for an abortion, and it looked like something that would come out when you blow your nose. The woman absolutely has the right to deny ANYONE the use of HER body, and that includes a non sentient fetus.

     

    Late term abortions are only done when the woman's life is at risk OR when the fetus has an abnormality that would make life outside the womb difficult or impossible. Pregnancy is incredibly difficult, if someone is still pregnant after 24-26 weeks, it's because they WANT a child, and things can happen after that which make it kinder to abort. Women aren't your incubators. A professionally done early gestation abortion is much, much safer than the full pregnancy and childbirth. In the US alone, 17 out of 100 pregnancies end with maternal death. Pregnancy is something a woman should ONLY have to go through when SHE wants to. And children aren't consequences, they should always be loved and wanted, lest they end up with their backs beaten black and blue, shoved under a stream of icy water and dragged into dark rooms with spiders and scorpions as was the case with me and my sisters.

     

    I know the thread isn't about abortion, but I can't stay quiet when I see all this internalized misogyny online, in 2019. It's not the middle ages anymore.

    So your saying that starving some one to death is a good thing? Also that killing an unborn baby no matter what the life stage is is good? So i see this what your saying is killing is fine to those who want to do it it is your body what part of your body is being taken out? No matter how you look at it abortion staring is killing someone.Ok so your not killing the baby but allowing a anouther person to do so which is morally an inhumane really.Like i said before it starts with unborn an then the rest who society deems unfit to live.I can see his coming  an it is hard to watch really.

  17. You all missed the point i was saying that the Oregon's bill allows the caregiver to starve an keep water from patients is starving a good way to allow our old people to die is my  argument really..An what i mean is for those who want to eat but the get no food or water is that right?  https://www.foxnews.com/us/nevada-seeks-to-become-eighth-state-to-allow-physician-assisted-suicide

  18. Did you actually read an even watched the video or even looked at the comments. They are not talking about people who are in wreaks or anything they  said an i quot again some of the first link Gayle Atteberry, director of Oregon Right to Life, remarked, "This bill, written in a deceiving manner, has as its goal to save money at the expense of starving and dehydrating dementia and mentally ill patients to death."

    Life-ending decisions include the decision to administer food and water to patients. Speaking of mentally incompetent patients, who can still eat naturally, Willis noted, "A person may be incompetent to make a complex medical decision for themselves but still may be competent to decide whether or not they want to eat."

    During the Senate hearing, Willis attested that the current default law in Oregon doesn't allow healthcare providers to make end-of-life decisions for patients unless they are explicitly authorized to do so ahead of time by the patient. After the patient slips into a state of dementia, the healthcare provider if not authorized still can't decide to withhold food or water from such patients.

    "The effect of this bill would change the default rule," Willis testified, "which is that except for in certain end-of-life situations, your healthcare representative cannot make life-ending decisions for you unless you say they can, to a new rule which would be that your healthcare representative can make life-ending decisions for you in most cases unless you clearly and unambiguously say they cannot, which may be difficult to do."

    Considering the vulnerability for such patients, who lapse into a state of dementia, Willis protested, "One of the purposes of our law should be to protect vulnerable people who are at risk of harm from others." He affirmed that SB494, as it passed to the Senate floor, also makes "other changes that would eliminate this explicit limit on the authority of the healthcare representative."

    Focusing on the insurance companies, Atteberry commented, "Oregon law currently has strong safeguards to protect patients who are no longer able to make decisions for themselves. "Nursing homes and other organizations dedicated to protecting vulnerable patients work hard to make sure patients receive the food and water they need. SB494, pushed hard by the insurance lobby, would take patient care a step backwards and decimate patient rights."

    During the Senate committee hearings, Willis affirmed that Oregon's current law ensures "that an incapable person's life is not ended without his or her explicit consent." Atteberry deplored the efforts pushing the current version of SB 494, "There is a clear effort to move state policy away from protecting the rights of patients with dementia and mental illness and toward empowering surrogates to make life-ending decisions."

  19. Let me reply to your question  I would do everything in my power to help her live again there has been cases where people have been on life support for years an they woke up an lived full lives till they passed on of old age. Now to answer your question a sec time a family member had twins one was sick he fought for his life till he saw his brother .Remind you these were new born babies ok. After they held hands like they done in the womb the sick twin did pass on.Now let me ask you how could this twin know that his brother was safe cause he had a heart.Now they did not take him off life support but waited. hope he would  take a turn for the better.  Now would you do the same if your one of your family members was in a car wreak would you keep them alive hoping they would live?

     

    Also from the link i gave SB494 passed out of the Senate Rules Committee with certain amendments. Colm Willis testified in front of the committee that the bill, even as amended, still gives healthcare providers the legal right to withhold food and water from these patients and against their will in some instances.

     

    So gave this quot from the first link now  to me this says they  will starve an not give water how inhumane can we be in the USA?

     

  20. Well  like i said in the obortion thread first comes unborn babies then the elderly an then those who are disabled an if you read it yes if they think on it way before they get ill they can have the right but if not it is up to the care giver to say let them die so they will starve them? Even if they do decide before hand starving is a very cruel way to go don't you think?.You two are heartless saying it is fine to kill humans your opinion. My opinion is killing no matter who it is  that is morally wrong.Now like i said before it starts with babies an ends up killing the elderly then those who are seen not fit to live. Guys this is what will bring humans their down fall.Well i guess the end times are coming the bible said it would be like the days before the flood. when men's hearts were only evil continually. Give you guys a thought here ok if an only if my saying is true an this does start happening i hope their is some people out their that will help those that will get their lives taken away cause they did not fit into human society.

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  21. It only started with abortions/ killing babies, now this. Next it will be anybody that is slightly an inconvenience or drain to"society". So what the government thinks as elderly or possibly handicap! This sicknes me down to the core. Why would anyone do this to others link below on what Oregon is trying to pass.  I guess this hits me hard cause i do have Cerebral Palsy an i guess next it will be those of us who have disability that are already born. 😱

     

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/oregon-bill-starving-dementia-patients-advances?fbclid=IwAR0B0B8eLFPfaBll8Q4aHN4sMUyHEEwKlC0Z06zWSB6H91QQPpJFLGdiCcs#.XJRItvdvs9B.facebook

     

    http://toresays.com/2019/03/23/oregon-bill-passed-to-legalize-starving-mentally-ill-patients-so-they-die-faster/