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  1. Both breeds are absolutely beautiful! Stunning, I love the colors, the art, they look amazing! Good job artists ❤️
  2. Those are some sweet looking eggs! 😍
  3. Those are some beautiful pygmy eggs! Excited to see how both breeds turn out
  4. I love the colors on the pygmy so much 😍 So excited!
  5. 😮 nice! Curious to see what kind of dragons these will be :D
  6. Good point, thank you!
  7. Anyone knows whats up with the Coast biome? I thought empty biomes only happen with new releases 🤔
  8. Oh yeah I only meant the warning part - I should have clarified. I couldn't find a thread so quickly that focuses only on the warning part. If a multiclutch happens I do want to be able to keep all eggs, otherwise there's no way to prevent something from going to the AP.
  9. I wouldn't really like multi-clutches, because I'd rather not have surprise eggs yeeted into the AP... But it seems I'm in the minority 🤷‍♀️ So I'll just have to pay more attention when I'm breeding. Perhaps it would pair well with this suggestion? (The warning part of it) Question: what's the max eggs possible for a multiclutch? 4?
  10. If the rules would be relaxed in the way I said, there's no need for an approval queue anymore. So the idea still stands, especially because a lot of people dislike the queue as a concept. Also pretty much the same is not "the same". I could give arguments for that but I'm not sure if they're relevant right now. What IS relevant is the next question: Would you consider relaxing the rules in a way where style and lore does not matter anymore and the only reportable offense would be spam or abuse? Or is that out of the question entirely?
  11. Yeah I'm absolutely combining the rules with the auto-approval thing, otherwise there would be no point to it (like you said, not significantly different). This thread is specifically for those ideas combined. I really hope the other thread you mention is not the one BrazenChase made a few days ago because when we tried to talk about this we got mod intervention to not have such a broad topic, therefore this thread. The entire point of the idea is to have no more queue at all - no more waiting - and the only reportable offense would be abuse or spam, not questionable lore, spelling mistakes, or style choices. If the latter would be reportable (and thus against the rules - and thus having to be changed) there's no point and it opens up a whole can of worms too. The whole point is to relax the description rules, make the descriptions free, and do away with the mod queue. What do you think about that?
  12. It doesn't exist in the way it is presented in the first post - in a way that impacts the approval queue. Having un-approved descriptions visible (are they even instantly visible? I'm not exactly sure) is not the same as having everything auto-approved and only removing abusive/spam descriptions. With the current system, you can have a description for a long time and still be forced to change it later on (which could take months).
  13. I'm not sure what queue you are talking about (multiple users above me) with this suggestion there would be no queue. I think @Marrionetta meant more of a feed to keep an eye on every now and then, not an actual queue. But I'll leave that to Marri as I don't want to speak for them. Someone already gave a good reason why communication wouldn't work at all in that way - but the whole point is moot because there will be no approval with this suggestion. It's auto-approval. Everything is approved. No one is saying to not obey current rules right now, we're just talking about potential rule changes. That's what the suggestion board is for, discussing potential changes. TJ closes threads he sees no future in, so there's no need to worry about what TJ thinks.
  14. What con is there to 'more people might want to write descriptions'? Same for the others, I just couldn't quickly think of any. Feel free to discuss a rebuttal to the pros I listed. ETA: Also, I'm pretty sure that's a standard way of setting up a debate... If I had a valid con for my pros I probably wouldn't consider them pros anymore, would I?
  15. Descriptions being pretty hidden is what makes most of the cons go away for me, yeah. You just stumble upon them. The only place where you get to see more of them is in the Description Force thread - and there people are actively helping each other to make a description better, so you probably won't find many "low quality" descriptions there (and even if you do, they're looking for help, apparently). You raise some excellent points I hadn't thought about. Even now the user descriptions are clearly marked "user descriptions" and I would never take them for canon. (Also reading about that Aeon actually made me excited, that just sounds like a cute idea really That we're missing out on now!!!)
  16. This suggestion came forth out of another description thread, where this specific suggestion cannot be discussed anymore, so feel free to continue discussing your thoughts here! Summary This thread is about this idea: Make the descriptions insta-approved. In other words: no mod queue anymore, what you put in your dragon description box is instantly visible for everyone. Make the description guidelines extremely relaxed (compared to now) if not remove them. (Why? Read below**) The report button for descriptions will only be used for abuse, ie. spam and abusive language, and mods will be able to remove descriptions. This idea was born out of the question "What can we do to make describing dragons more streamlined?" A big issue is the very big approval queue that mods have to sift through, and them simply not having enough time to do that quickly. The idea of having instant descriptions came along, but I felt like just implementing instant descriptions wouldn't work with the current rules we have. Why? Because the current rules are there in place to have a certain standard about the descriptions, to have good grammar and blend in well with the established lore, for example. Which are good rules on their own, but that changes if we have insta-descriptions and those not adhering to those rules become reportable. **I think keeping the current rules in combination with auto-approved descriptions is a bad idea because 1) All the descriptions that are currently in the queue that are eventually NOT going to be approved, are going to be reportable, and will get back into the queue that we're trying to shorten (sure, it might take a little longer before they are seen & reported, but in effect you're just moving the problem one step away). Don't forget that even a little mistake such as a misplaced comma would go right back into the queue for mods to look at. 2) It means that until someone with power (a mod or such) personally "approves" (in a conversation, not actually by a button or anything) your description, you will have to wonder whether one day your description will get deleted. Which is a very backwards way of thinking considering you'd have "free editable descriptions" yet what's supposed to be in them, would not be so free. You could have a description you love and worked hard at for well over a year before someone sees it and reports it and suddenly it needs to be changed. Pros Pros of having an auto-approved description, and having laxer rules: - More people may become interested in describing. The reward is immediately there, there's no worries about whether or not it's a good description, if you like it (and it's not spam/abusive), it's good. With less strict rules and the instant reward, the bar to start describing is next to non-existent. - The queue that once had up to 10000 descriptions pending, will now only have very simple reports such as "spam" or "abusive language" which you can near-instantly identify and remove. (No thinking hard about whether this is correct grammar, no re-checking lore) No more waiting for the users, no more hard work for the mods. - With no lore rules in place, there's a much bigger scope of subjects we can touch on: people can write about cyborg dragons, people could even do a scroll theme and make all their dragons match a certain theme, the descriptions are there instantly so it wouldn't be a tedious progress. People could make entire lineages with themed descriptions. People could start writing poems instead of descriptions. Etc. - Cons Cons of having auto-approved description, and having laxer rules: - Spam! People can absolutely put in stuff like "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" and press submit. ▶️ Don't forget a spamfilter for links, abusive language etc. can be put into place, which might remove a lot of the problem. Another thing to consider is this: how much harm does spam do if no one ever sees it? If someone sees it, they can report it into the queue that should be much faster now! - The quality of some descriptions will absolutely drop if there's no rules. People can submit stuff like "This is Pete and he loves to ride a helicopter". ▶️ This is a trade-off (for instant descriptions) that I personally am okay with, because sometimes it can be fun, and I know there will be people who still want to describe in the way we do now, and I'll probably simply associate with those people. And the thing that really disregards this con for me mostly: I don't really care about descriptions THAT much. If I see something that makes me raise an eyebrow, I just ... raise an eyebrow, and continue doing something else. 🤷‍♀️ It's the same for me as seeing a dragon named with a less-than-tasteful name. Some people like that, I might not so much, I move on. - It's immersion breaking to have weird, inconsistent descriptions. ▶️ I disagree, because there already isn't that much immersion because of another mechanic on the site that has (near) free input: names. I have a description about a dragon that's literally named after a real-world-franchise and product that probably does not exist in Valkemare. Still, the description got approved, and it's one of my favourite ones even though it's not immersive at all. It made me bond with another description writer, it makes me laugh, it created a silly and fun moment with other people (the parents aren't mine) and those moments are what I really like about Dragoncave. - The rules So what should these rules be changed to, then? Here are the current description rules. I personally would go for something like - No spam/abuse (with a filter, similar to what we have now) - English only, but perhaps add all forms of English (accents, British spelling, etc) - No HTML But this is up for discussion! TL;DR Make describing easier and faster --> remove the queue mechanic, instead make all descriptions appear instantly --> no more strict rules on grammar and lore as that conflicts with the idea of "free" descriptions (Obviously, read the rest of the post for the "why" of it all.) What do you think? Can you think of more pros / cons? Or is there something wrong with the things I've written? Do you think the trade-off of more freedom vs faster queues is worth it? Would you make other rules? Discuss! Keep in mind that this thread focuses on faster queue by auto-descriptions and changing the rules and whether this all is a good idea, only. If you have other ideas for making describing more efficient, go to this thread. Don't worry about fine-tuning, especially coding issues - that's something for TJ to worry about. (Something he has said in the past and a mod has also recently said)
  17. Do you mean nik as in nickname (on the forums) or scrollname (the link to your scroll)? (Or both?)
  18. Then why did you make the thread? If BrazenChase wanted to focus on the creativity issue outside the context of speeding up a queue, I'm sure they would have made another thread. What's the point in making a thread because one user makes one offhand comment somewhere? It wasn't even the focus of their post.
  19. In what way do the current rules stifle creativity?
  20. Then that's massively inconsistent and maybe even elitist - as long as you're a good enough of a writer, your description might be approved even though it's against the rules? Perhaps the rules should be updated to reflect reality. Also Fuzz don't forget to update your first post as it doesn't accurately represent why these threads were split (faster queues instead of 'stifling creativity')
  21. A fighter not fighting is not the same as a pacifist fighting (heck, the fighter could be permanently injured or something) From the rules: -- No Conflicting Descriptions While the goal of being able to describe your dragon is to personalize it and make it unique, the breed descriptions were created as they are for a reason. If a dragon is part of a breed of pacifists, it doesn’t make sense for the dragon to be a bloodthirsty murderer. You don’t have to follow the breed description to the letter, but behaviors that clearly contradict the breed’s concept will likely be rejected. -- It doesn't say white dragons, but I've always been shown that example. So no, I think a white dragon loving to fight would not get approved under current rules.
  22. Because that's (in my opinion) not the reason, the real reason is in the OP of the post: The context was that for faster description approval, we could get rid of the mod queue entirely, and just have descriptions be instantly visible on the dragon page. Obviously abuse and spam could be reported, but it raised the next question: should style changing (using "I" for example) or lore changing (saying my White dragon is a fighter) be reportable? And I am of the opinion that no, if you go the instant approval route, those guidelines go out of the window as it would really suck to have some user nitpick your description to have it removed afterwards. That defeats the point of it being auto-approved, that defeats the point of free descriptions, if it still has to hold up some standard. RE: creativity, I'm fine with the way it works now but I wouldn't mind if the rules relaxed a little, it would open up a lot of fun ideas plus I just don't take it so seriously, I guess. I agree with SkyWolf that it doesn't really get stifled by the rules, it's more that people simply don't feel like writing at all if they have to adhere to these rules (especially in combination with how slow the queue itself is, but also the whole making adjustments process (and having to go back to that queue after adjusting)) I disagree with the site being consistent and immersive. Sure, the encyclopedia etc. are all official sources, but they often lack a lot (simply no info at all, or for example, how do sprinters alts fit in the lore?) Not to mention the other freely editable thing on DC: the names. I don't feel particularly immersive when I see dragons named Kawaii Spaghetti Monster (or whatever). We can even write descriptions about Kawaii Spaghetti Monster and use their name. Does that fit the world of DC? I don't think so... But I also don't care because I like having free naming freedom - just like I would like free descriptions freedom. And no, I'm not gonna be a fan of descriptions that simply read "This is Kawaii Spaghetti Monster uwu sparkle" and nothing else, but I will be a fan of seeing way more** descriptions in general and opening it up more for first time writers. **if, this idea would be implemented with an instant queue, that is. I don't really care about it if it's not.
  23. I don't like the idea of free auto-approved descriptions then, because having your description removed after writing it just because it doesn't fit the lore/style is opening a big can of worms and also completely defeats the purpose of it being 'free'. Auto approve by number could work, though I'd put the number lower (like 6? Or 7?) but there would still be a need for a faster response time from the mods. So, perhaps more description-only mods.
  24. That makes no sense. It's directly related, if I make a new thread about lowering description standards I'll have to give my motivation, which is "to streamline the description process and be able to make them auto-approved, removing the entire approval queue" and then we just have... This thread again?