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  1. skinst

    GPXPlus

    I remember being all excited to get a Dratini when I first started. Lol, I was such a newb.
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    Cats

    Here's my fluffball: She was hurt recently, so I am making sure she's an indoor kitty from now on.
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    Abortion

    There are times in my life where I wish I was not here, I think everyone goes through that at some point. But when I think about the fact that someday I WON'T be here anymore? It scares me to the core. There is a big difference between knowing what it is to be alive and to never have lived at all.
  4. skinst

    Abortion

    http://rt.com/usa/news/arizona-bill-conception-abortion-387/ http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/2r/adopted/s.2036jud.pdf I'm speechless. Completely and utterly speechless. I just can't even comprehend how this bill is even allowed to exist.
  5. skinst

    Abortion

    *Absolutely disgusted*
  6. skinst

    Abortion

    Okay seriously how the hell could anyone believe that as real? ~_~
  7. skinst

    Abortion

    It's hard to define because it is indeed hazy. And it's something we as a race can't really answer because logic fights morals. ATM there is legal protection for fetus's above 26 weeks of age, so to speak. 3rd trimester abortions are only done if the mother's life is in real danger or the fetus is severely deformed or dead. Despite it being against my logic, my moral stance agrees with that. Don't worry about it. It happens.
  8. skinst

    Abortion

    Those dictionary definitions don't seem to apply to a fetus to me, so maybe that's just personal perception playing a part. As for a legal stance, to be honest? I just want abortion legal and accessable. It isn't my place to decide when the cutoff point is because I am neither a God who can tell a person when a life truly begins nor am I a medical professional who is unbiased on the issue. In short, my opinion only applies to me myself and I. And that is how it should be.
  9. skinst

    Abortion

    I'd rather not discuss my view of euthenasia as it's a subject that is extremely personal to me, sorry. So in short, morally no, logically yes. While inside the mother's body, which I think you missed. Then find them, by all means, and post them. All Dictionary definitions that I've found that don't come from a religious/biased source all say life is the period between birth and death. Short and sweet. Pointing out that something I said went over your head is far for being rude. It's pointing out that you missed a point, repeatedly. But sorry if you got offended as that was, of course, not my intent.
  10. skinst

    Abortion

    Actually, in some countries and in some situations, yes, parents CAN legally end the life of their child. Euthenasia says hello. Also, as I have said several times now and will now repeat again for you; my personal view of abortion is different from the logic of when life begins and ends according to such things as the dictionary, because I am a human being with morals and emotions and not just logic. When it's out of the mother, period. Because you're reading my posts not for what they are but what you're interpreting them to be by trying to read between the lines that don't exist. If you actually go back and read them for what they are you'll see that I stated in pretty much the first response to you that there is a difference between my logical assessment of abortion and how I actually feel about it. It isn't an assumption. It's what's cited in sources such as dictionaries that one is 'alive', per say, after it has been born. Right, because a mother can you know, just not choose to breast feed and instead bottle feed, or you know, can abort a baby that's been born? That's illogical. I will state it plainly for you since you seem so very confused: There is a big difference between logic to something than applying both logical and moral reasoning behind something. THAT is the point I have been trying to make in my posts that seems to have flown over your head. Logic = life begins at birth Moral reasoning = whatever the individual feels. Combine the two and you have the Pro-Birth and Pro-Choice agendas.
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    Abortion

    Well at what point can parents stop making desisions for their kids medically? I don't see doctors asking the baby whether or not it wants to be vaccinated, or circumcised, or operated on. They ask the parents because the baby cannot make desisions for itself yet. According to a logical dictionary definition, life begins at birth, therefore a fetus is not an individual until birth. How one personally feels about that is a whole other story, which is why I said several times now that one needs to seperate how they personally feel about it and instead look at the raw facts. Exactly, there isn't any grounds to outlaw abortion at any stage of pregnancy based on logic. My views on fetus's rights in the third trimester are not logical. I also said that, you know. :/ Up until birth, the fetus is feeding off the mother. It's a parasite. Once born, it gains rights, but it's still reliant on its parents to make choices for it because it's incapable of doing so (unless goo goo ga ga can be translated to yes and no accurately. ) Also, kids kinda yeah have the same rights as their parents eventually because they're, you know, not living off their mother's bodies anymore. :/
  12. skinst

    Abortion

    Because once it's pushed either way it eventually gets pushed all the way. All you need to do is look at abortion laws across the planet. If it's illegal, some people want it legal because it's done anyway, or they believe the mother should have a right to decide. When it's legal, people want it illegal because they believe the fetus come's first or should 'have a voice'. And when the scale gets tipped up more towards the equal, you get more and more and more restrictions on abortions that makes it harder and harder to get one. And then, it's illegal again. Then the cycle is repeated. It is one way or another. Mother or fetus. It is the only fair way to do it. Which is why being Pro-Choice is being logical. It allows people to choose what they want to do with their own body. If you're against abortion, don't have one. If you're cool with it, get one. The law just needs to be simple. "Abortion is legal up to -insert weeks- based off -insert medical evidence of NATURAL viability". Human babies if born after 26 weeks generally have a pretty high survival rate. Anything before that, not so much. As for the rest of your post, of course you're going to work yourself into pieces if you think too hard about it. The truth is we simply do not know enough about life in general to be able to make a completely sound, logical analysis, and that is why I think that the law should allow it everywhere, safely and securely, and let the general populus make up their own damn minds about what they think until sound medical evidence is produced to answer the questions that we can't yet.
  13. skinst

    Abortion

    People have tried and the same old arguements pop up. It isn't. Its one or the other, and I for one choose the mother. To some people, yes it is, just as it's perfectly logical to some people to slaughter newborns below two years of age, because they are not 'individuals' yet. But as I said in my previous post, personal perception dictates how one views a life, when it is a life, when it should be saved and when it should be valued. I, personally, do not think it is right to abort a full term fetus. But that is my personal perception. It is not logical because if I believe that life begins at birth, then why should I defend the rights of fetus's in the third trimester? Do you see where I'm going with this? Logic is logic is logic. That is why the dictionary defines life as 'the period between the birth and death of a living thing, esp. a human being', and not, 'the period between a fetus being viable and death', because no one truly knows when life begins before birth.
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    Abortion

    You can't have one without the other. If the life of the fetus is given priority over the mother, the mother is the one who doesn't get any rights. You cannot have both. Ever. That is why abortion is what you as an individual and (in the case of a woman's) their right to decide whether the thing growing inside them is more important than their own life. Until it is born, it is inside that mother. It is essentially a part of her that is simply developing into its own self. When it's born, it is seperated from it's host, and becomes an individual. That is why, to me, personhood begins at birth, and that should be reflected in the law. What I personally believe about when life begins is merely my perception and my emotional outlook. Truth is? No one can truly define where life begins that will make everyone happy and protect everyone or everything that is living. One persons rights... in the end, will trump the other no matter how much we wish it didn't.
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    Abortion

    That... REALLY bothers me. My oldest brother was born with a cleft pallet, and there was a government grant around to cover medical costs to have it fixed (as well as the dental issues associated with it). Your medical insurance must suck to hell if you can't even get something like that fixed. :x
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    Abortion

    I'd also like to wager that the reverse should be true too. I am a supporter of taking children away from their mother if she is a horrible mother and given to the father if he is a good father. I often feel that men get a raw deal in the custody cases, as the man my mother used to live with had to fight tooth and nail to gain custody over his two youngest children (the mother, to put it as politely as possible, was very lazy and very self centred) when frankly the argument should have been a simple one. He had a full time job with my mum also working part time. The mother was on unemployment benefits. He had an 7 bedroom house (renovated hospital wing, my family isn't that rich ) she had a two bedroom place with 4 kids crammed together in one room (three boys and one girl). While both of them sucked as parents, the father was definitely a better option. Yet it still took some 3 years to gain custody, along with a great deal of money in the process. That, to me, is wrong. I will always support men's input into abortion when it comes to their partner so long as said relationship is consensual, and the relationship is stable, loving and non-abusive. However, if the relationship is not those things then I think the man's opinion becomes a case by case thing.
  17. skinst

    Abortion

    Miscarriage is the involuntary death of a zygote/fetus. Abortion is the induced death of a zygote/fetus. Personally I find abortion more likeable, since I, you know, get to chose what hosts my body and when. Trees are still living things. 24.6% of abortions are performed on married woman. :/ You say you're for sex after marriage, but what happens if a woman gets pregnant after marriage, and doesn't want to have a baby at that time? Marriage doesn't automatically give men a liscense to impregnate their wives, nor does it mean that the couple even want kids at that point, either. And yes, woman have had to throw their lives away because they've gotten pregnant and either not had access to abortion, it was against their beliefs, or were pressured into not having one. And it's so simple for you to say 'don't get pregnant', but what about the men who tamper with the woman's birth control? What about the men who refuse to wear a condom? What about the men who also act just as irresponsible? I do not see you bringing up the other gender (which, btw, is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the woman) in this arguement. What is your stance on men, or should they get of scott free? :/ Abortion exists naturally in nature. Animals abort their offspring it they do not want it for various reasons. Abortifacts also exist in nature that woman from the stone ages ate to cause miscarriages. It's a natural process that has simply been improved by human technology. Because as I've already pointed out, sex isn't simply about making babies. You stated you were against abortion because you were a Catholic. Abortion exists in your bible and no one has an issue with it. Therefore, you are going against your beliefs by being against it. What constitutes as 'irresponsible' to you? I made a hypothetical situation where the couple used contraception properly, yet that's still not okay to you? I find that a bit hard to swallow.
  18. skinst

    Abortion

    There is a huge difference between murdering a human being who is recognised as an individual by law, with a birth date and an identity, and 'murdering', if you will, a clump of cells that has the potential to be a human. That's like getting upset because people eat seeds instead of planting them and letting them grow into trees. Abortion has been around for thousands of years, just not in the form it's in currently. Also, you're forgetting that sex is also a natural thing. As for the so called 'consequences' of having sex, yes, as a grown woman I am well aware of the possibility of pregnancy if and when I choose to have it. However, on the flipside, if I am taking birth control and making sure my partner does as well, yet still concieve? How is that my fault? I did everything I could to prevent it and still got pregnant anyway (and one could argue against my will, as well). So what should I do then? Be forced to throw my life away and have the kid? And before you mention adoption, it doesn't exist in my country. Sex is a nessacary part of a healthy partnership. Old people have sex even though they can't have kids anymore. Is what they're doing unnatural to you? So's abortion. If you don't think it's right to take away a person's future, then you're advocating for taking away billions of woman's futures by forcing them to give birth against their will. And I hope you're against the Death Penalty as well. Numbers 5:12-14 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them: If any man's wife go aside, and act unfaithfully against him, and a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, she being defiled secretly, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken in the act; and the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled in conception; or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled in conception;... [skipping some of it which just explains about the offering) Numbers 5: 16-24 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before HaShem. And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water. And the priest shall set the woman before HaShem, and let the hair of the woman's head go loose, and put the meal-offering of memorial in her hands, which is the meal-offering of jealousy; and the priest shall have in his hand the water of bitterness that causeth the curse against fruit of the womb. And the priest shall cause her to swear, and shall say unto the woman: 'If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness, being under thy husband, be thou free from this water of bitterness that causeth the curse; but if thou hast gone aside, being under thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee besides thy husband--and be by him then the priest shall cause the woman to swear with the oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman--the HaShem make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when HaShem doth make thy thigh to fall away, and thy belly to swell; and this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, and make thy belly to swell, and thy fruit to fall away'; and the woman shall say: 'Amen, Amen.' And the priest shall write these curses in a scroll, and he shall blot them out into the water of bitterness. And he shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that causeth the curse; and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her and become bitter. [blah blah ritual] Numbers 5:27 And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, if she be defiled, and have acted unfaithfully against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her fruit shall fall away in blood; and the woman shall be a curse among her people. It's pretty cut and dry explanation about "Hey, the herbs used to consecrate the temple are abortifacents, and here's how you induce herbal abortion if someone cheats," FYI, that's a direct translation from the Hebrew Bible, so it's far more accurate than the other english translations.
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    Abortion

    Maybe so, but when Pro-Birth'ers try to push their morals onto my reproductive rights, things get ugly, quickly. And I think you meant Pro-Choice in that paragraph. Actually, it can become a callified mess, a tumor, be re-absorbed back into the body, or die and be miscarried. Just because it looks human doesn't mean it is, or it's guarenteed on becoming human. Also, please remember that although you personally feel that a fetus is an alive human being, doesn't mean that is actually what it is. Too many Pro-Birth laws have been passed without a sliver of scientific evidence backing it up and instead backed up by bleading hearts. Funny that, since abortion is in the Bible and performed on woman who are accused of cheating.
  20. Guys, people get offended by everything. There is not a single thing in this world that doesn't offend someone somewhere. Ever watched that South Park episode where they banned everything Christmasy that was offensive to someone? There was nothing left. The same applies to this. There are lots of dragon breeds and no doubt the letter combinations used are possibly going to have different meanings if you align them to something else (such as, as pointed out, SS = Sturmstaffel). tl;dr - Everything is offensive, so just roll with it.
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    Abortion

    Just thought I'd mention that some woman, such as myself, are medically unable to take the pill. Using the Pill as a means to prevent pregnancy only works if you're able to take it.
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    Abortion

    No, you are not wrong. I think more the point was that woman who've been raped should never be forced to carry a rape baby against their will. If they want an abortion, they should be able to get one immediently.