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My initial question was "is this to just show active players?" Your answer was "no, it's not just to show active players, but also have people click and help, etc." and then you edited the suggestion to ensure that people can opt out if they choose or people who have hidden scrolls will not be shown in wherever this will show up on the site. So, yes. It is just for showing active players. 

 

My comment about choosing a player to click is in reference to the idea that it takes time and effort to visit each scroll individually.

 

As for the last question, it was in regards to improving the suggestion since again knowing what trophy a user has does nothing to enhance this suggestion. If a user is going to click a scroll, they're going to do it regardless trophy level.  There is no need for sarcasm.

 I still don't see where you're coming from with that first point.

 

 The rest of your points, however, are good points. There are bad sides to every suggestion, I get that. If it seems I'm arguing about everything, I'm just trying to get people to see things the way I see them. I feel that the trophies don't really do much, besides let you have more eggs/hatchlings, and that they should be a little more reconized as an achievement. That's why I put trophies there, besides the point I've been saying, realisim.

 To further support the realisim, here's something on all the cave pages:

As you reach the summit of the mountain, you see many large dragons scattered about, some with hatchlings. Nearby, there is a pile of several eggs.

 We don't really need to know that, but it's there. It makes the situation a bit more real, they could just say "oh look there's some eggs go get 'em boy", but they don't. They add the extra detail.

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I would -not- like this idea. I wouldn't mind my scroll being viewed by whoever, but I do not want to be pestered with stuff when I'm navigating through the site. And I can imagine this being very obnoxious when trying to hunt, since there's no way this wouldn't increase the load time of the page. It might not be much for people with good internet, but there are all too many people who have horrid internet, and every bit matters to them.

This is what I'm worried about.

 

How much text/links do you actually envision on each page? Because *any* added element is going to slow loading time, and even a fraction of a second *counts* when you are hunting eggs.

 

Also, am I understanding correctly that the "don't pass by other users" checkbox would *also* remove these links/tests from all the pages?

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I disagree about the need for extraneous realism and I'll just end by pointing out that I am neither in support of this suggestion or against it.

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This is what I'm worried about.

 

How much text/links do you actually envision on each page? Because *any* added element is going to slow loading time, and even a fraction of a second *counts* when you are hunting eggs.

 

Also, am I understanding correctly that the "don't pass by other users" checkbox would *also* remove these links/tests from all the pages?

You would have a box in your settings that says something along the lines of, "Don't pass by other users?", checking it would remove these messages and make it so others couldn't pass by you.

 

 There would only be one per page, it'd be extremely annoying otherwise. And yes, it would remove the text/link for you, as shown by the "...would remove these messages..." part of the above sentence.

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The overall idea (if not the text/name) would probably be more helpful if it showed people who haven't been on for a few days and have accepting aid on. If someone is currently online then they are already in the position to rescue any ERs that they have with either work or a bit of searching.

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I'd like to say that I REALLY like this idea. smile.gif Perhaps it's just that I like the touch of realistic interaction that it gives.

 

Most people don't seem to understand that and are counting the idea as useless because of it. Well, as an example, the main page of DC contains a map of Valkemare. That is entirely unnecessary, and serves no practical purpose; the links to the biomes are just above, labelled. And again; the biomes have a short description in them, different depending on which one you're in.

These touches are also completely unnecessary. They add nothing to the core game. And yet, every so often I'll look at them and marvel at the depth of the world TJ has created for us. It makes it feel like a real place, and not just a site for clicking on pixels.

 

 

I also really like the actual interaction bit. You could guarantee that I'd add checking out some scrolls to my hunting routine when there's nothing interesting in the caves or AP, and I'd love to see a few extra clicks on my eggs where they came.

 

I want to add my full support for this. It's a brilliant idea. smile.gif

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My thoughts:

1) I really like the idea that the amount of users in a biome would change the flavor text of the page. It kind of makes the site feel like it has some AI.

2) There should be NO distinction between who's who in terms of flavor text. Discluding people who opt out (who thus should not appear), Bronze, Silver, Gold and Mods should have NO distinguishing texts between them. This makes it less likely users would hunt out and maliciously target certain players. In fact I think it'd be best to leave out individual player text and maybe have a list of participating users open in a pop out window when clicking a hyperlink.

3) In regards to the arguments I've heard, I think that having the default for players to not appear on this list would be ideal. That way people who are actually interested in it have to go into their preferences and actively say, "Yeah, I want to be visible to other players".

 

In general, I've always wondered why DC has never had a list of online users. Many other adoptables sites have this and I've always found it as a fun way to see who's out and about on the site.

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I agree. If this is done, it definitely should be opt-in, not opt-out. It might make it a bit frustrating for people who want to do this, since there would be fewer people to look at, but it nicely guarantees that people who don't want to be bothered with it won't be.

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I would like something like this. I don't think there's any need to indicate how many dragons the person has collected, and as far as I know the moderators on the forums and in chat aren't any different from regular users on Dragon Cave proper, so you'd have to deliberately add that in if you wanted to indicate that someone is a mod.

 

I feel like a nice way to do this would be to put it near the "users viewing this page" link at the bottom. It could just show a message like: "Other users viewing this page: username, username, username, username... 34 others." And the list would refresh whenever you refresh the page.

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Okay, as long as we have an opt-out completely (although an opt-IN would be much better) I have no problem with this.

 

 

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I've already changed the suggestion to opt-in, please don't discuss it further unless you have something new to add.

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The only reason I'm against this is that it feels like a repeat of some of the things we already have or can do. As long as you visit the Help page you can find a link to a Hatchery main thread here on the forums, where you can explore the different options for hatching your eggs (even if it is off-site). You can also make a forum account and place your eggs, scroll, or both into your signature and people can visit that way. And if you visit a hatchery, you can always go through and click the growing dragons that are showing up, so that you're contributing both clicks and views to those dragons.

 

Concerning linking people's scrolls, the only thing I'm worried about is that part of the main page would be littered with links. I don't grab eggs often anymore since my collection is almost completely filled out, so I don't know how many users visit each day, but let's say each of the biomes had at least 10 people in each of them at one time; that alone means that there are 60 people on the site. That means there would be 60 links just stuck there on the front page! Granted, people simply visiting the site, searching the AP, etc. will increase the number, and people who have hidden scrolls, have opted out, etc. will decrease the number, but it still feels like a lot of links to me, like it would get cluttered very quickly.

 

With that said, I feel like that all this would add is a sprinkle of personality into the site, because then you feel like other players are more like people and not just "that person on the other side of the screen"; but even then, it's not needed. Concerning how it could help with growing things, the same thing could be accomplished with an on-site hatchery (though I'm recalling something about TJ not wanting to do that... maybe it's too resource-intensive).

I'm not entirely against this idea, but I'm not for it either. It feels like a nice little thing that TJ could implement in his spare time, not necessarily something that should be focused on because of the benefits it provides.

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The only reason I'm against this is that it feels like a repeat of some of the things we already have or can do. As long as you visit the Help page you can find a link to a Hatchery main thread here on the forums, where you can explore the different options for hatching your eggs (even if it is off-site). You can also make a forum account and place your eggs, scroll, or both into your signature and people can visit that way. And if you visit a hatchery, you can always go through and click the growing dragons that are showing up, so that you're contributing both clicks and views to those dragons.

 

Concerning linking people's scrolls, the only thing I'm worried about is that part of the main page would be littered with links. I don't grab eggs often anymore since my collection is almost completely filled out, so I don't know how many users visit each day, but let's say each of the biomes had at least 10 people in each of them at one time; that alone means that there are 60 people on the site. That means there would be 60 links just stuck there on the front page! Granted, people simply visiting the site, searching the AP, etc. will increase the number, and people who have hidden scrolls, have opted out, etc. will decrease the number, but it still feels like a lot of links to me, like it would get cluttered very quickly.

 

With that said, I feel like that all this would add is a sprinkle of personality into the site, because then you feel like other players are more like people and not just "that person on the other side of the screen"; but even then, it's not needed. Concerning how it could help with growing things, the same thing could be accomplished with an on-site hatchery (though I'm recalling something about TJ not wanting to do that... maybe it's too resource-intensive).

I'm not entirely against this idea, but I'm not for it either. It feels like a nice little thing that TJ could implement in his spare time, not necessarily something that should be focused on because of the benefits it provides.

just a note, you can NOT post eggs in forum signatures, at least not on this site.

 

and 10 people in a biome is a slow period between releases. During a release, or worse, a holiday there can be HUNDREDS. yep, too many links, do not want.

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The only selling point for this is adding a bit of "charm" to the game. Many people really don't care who is online and some like to remain anonymous, and as far as views go you can get plenty from hatcheries- sometimes even too many.

 

Add in an option to opt-out so that your name won't show up in the rotation and also don't put it in the biomes; maybe just the main page. Even if it didn't effect loading times people would still blame it for slowing them down when trying to catch rares.

 

I'm pretty neutral, this really wouldn't impact me much if any. Would be cute at first but I would probably end up ignoring it after awhile.

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  Concerning linking people's scrolls, the only thing I'm worried about is that part of the main page would be littered with links. I don't grab eggs often anymore since my collection is almost completely filled out, so I don't know how many users visit each day, but let's say each of the biomes had at least 10 people in each of them at one time; that alone means that there are 60 people on the site. That means there would be 60 links just stuck there on the front page! Granted, people simply visiting the site, searching the AP, etc. will increase the number, and people who have hidden scrolls, have opted out, etc. will decrease the number, but it still feels like a lot of links to me, like it would get cluttered very quickly.

 I believe you misunderstand. There would only be a single link on the page, the user inside would change every time the page is reloaded. There would not be a giant collection of links.

 

Add in an option to opt-out so that your name won't show up in the rotation and also don't put it in the biomes; maybe just the main page. Even if it didn't effect loading times people would still blame it for slowing them down when trying to catch rares.

You would have a box in your settings that says something along the lines of, "Don't pass by other users?", checking it would remove these messages and make it so others couldn't pass by you.

 • The box is automatically checked when you join, you may see, on the main page only, a message that says, "You see many people passing by you, and you wonder if you should greet them. Enable it here."

 

Buddy, try reading. Thank. This is the third time I've had to quote this, and it is in bold.

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This is a cute idea but not sure if I would opt in on it.

 

Also >___< I think a lot of people are mentioning the opt out thing isn't them not reading but rather for people who don't oppose the suggestion but don't care for it either and stating that adding an opt in button is the most logical point to start before they list other suggestions.

 

I know that criticism of a suggestion is hurtful but knowing how many people would rather opt out or are suggesting opt outs is useful data for the viability of a suggestion.

 

Guess what I'm saying is a lot of people would have read it already but people also echo sentiments they agree with.

 

That said I agree with Kovia on their counts. Add the opt in button, put it on the main page only. I don't think we need a randomized user name rotation to be added to our constant refreshing in the different biomes, especially if you refresh every .2563533 seconds like I do whilst staring at the descriptions and praying for a rare.

 

Like I said, however, this is a cute idea but overall a very cosmetic one and that is my biggest criticism of this. It would be neat to see this feature implemented in the future for those who would use it, but if this change was to come I would rather it be bundled with something bigger - TJ, I'm looking at that 8th egg slot - or something like DC currency where if we interacted with users like that and got gold or something off of it - though I think people might not like that either since we like our privacy and I have no clue what the support for currency is like. This is because as a standalone suggestion this doesn't bear enough weight to advance gameplay in a way users want it to advance, it needs something heavier to give it depth.

 

Now you could argue that the encyclopedia is a cosmetic thing that TJ added, but it's a cosmetic thing that everyone wanted because while it didn't advance gameplay, it did advance site lore and it was something else to collect, achieve, and unlock.

 

So unless there is incentive for this suggestion, I feel that reactions to this would be mostly lukewarm "opt out" at best. The idea is nice and if I was new to DC I would find it charming. But as someone who doesn't want their DC moves tracked on the main site so that they can hunt the biomes in peace, this isn't something I'm all in favor for using.

 

 

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"If it can be disabled, who's going to say no to a few people coming onto their scroll and clicking their eggs"

 

Who? I would. I do not in any way shape or form like this idea.

 

1. When I'm on the home page, the biome pages or the AP I'm there for a reason. It's not to find someone else's scroll and give them a view, it's to conduct some part of the game for myself. Therefore I'm not going to be clicking those links, am I? That would just interfere with me doing what I went there to do.

 

2. And thank you very much but I don't need random passers-by to help me raise my dragons. As long as we have the fansites we have I can put them in, take them out, fog them or ER them as suits my preference. I would NOT like my eggs gaining random views just because someone else happened to be on a biome the same time I was.

 

You did say people could opt out by hiding their scrolls, or perhaps the option to opt out altogether. Well, I don't want to have to hide my scroll. I don't have it linked in the forum because my scrollname and forumnames are different and I don't want a bunch of people wandering onto my scroll, perhaps deciding they want to be vicious and attacking my good eggs and hatchlings. Snooping in my business. Deciding I must be a selfish, greedy hoarder because of all the rares I have or whatever.

 

We don't need something like this to raise our eggs and hatchlings as long as the fansites are working and it just means people offering "help" to people who don't need help.

GREAT ! I was collecting quotes to say all the same things as you say here - thanks Fi.

 

We do not NEED extra messages and stuff clogging up the page. When I hunt or whatever, I am there on my own, doing my own thing, and I want it to stay that way. I don't want or need help - but I have help enabled, so that if I am knocked off line (I am one of those with dodgy internet at times) people CAN help me.

 

As you MUST know, Palindrome, you can't see whether a user accepts help without going to an individual egg page (Lord knows many of us have asked for it to show in the main scrollpage, but as yet it doesn't). This not very bright idea will mean people clicking on the scrolls of people who have posted that they don't WANT help, and who don't want to have to hide stuff to avoid getting it willy-nilly.

 

Yes I have read every last post of yours, by the way - given the way that you say "READ MY POSTS" to every one who mentions they don't like that that you can opt out (or opt in, depending) - but if the idea is to help new players - I think it will have the opposite effect.

 

It may surprise you to realise that it tends to be the newest users - who will miss this as an option, just as they miss hide scroll, accept aid and the rest - who will be more harmed than helped by this, as they will be getting views that they never expected, and will be showing up to ask why their stuff got sick. They are the ones who - after they lose eggs from no views, put them on all the hatcheries they can find and....

 

You say they are the ones who would find this most useful - they are probably the ones who won't notice the option, actually.

 

One thing I like about this forum is that you can opt not to be visible while on line. That MUST be the default for the cave/biomes etc.

 

Still an absolute no, thanks. Even if I can opt not to be a part of it. I think it will do for more harm than good. Any "good" would just be social - the number of views and clicks that might result would be MINIMAL.

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As you MUST know, Palindrome, you can't see whether a user accepts help without going to an individual egg page (Lord knows many of us have asked for it to show in the main scrollpage, but as yet it doesn't). This not very bright idea will mean people clicking on the scrolls of people who have posted that they don't WANT help, and who don't want to have to hide stuff to avoid getting it willy-nilly.

 

Yes I have read every last post of yours, by the way - given the way that you say "READ MY POSTS" to every one who mentions they don't like that that you can opt out (or opt in, depending) - but if the idea is to help new players - I think it will have the opposite effect.

 

It may surprise you to realise that it tends to be the newest users - who will miss this as an option, just as they miss hide scroll, accept aid and the rest - who will be more harmed than helped by this, as they will be getting views that they never expected, and will be showing up to ask why their stuff got sick. They are the ones who - after they lose eggs from no views, put them on all the hatcheries they can find and...

Also >___< I think a lot of people are mentioning the opt out thing isn't them not reading but rather for people who don't oppose the suggestion but don't care for it either and stating  that adding an opt in button is the most logical point to start before they list other suggestions.

 First of all, don't call me Palindrome. Second...

You would have a box in your settings that says something along the lines of, "Don't pass by other users?", checking it would remove these messages and make it so others couldn't pass by you.

 • The box is automatically checked when you join, you may see, on the main page only, a message that says, "You see many people passing by you, and you wonder if you should greet them. Enable it here."

 I said read, because you need to read. This is opt-in, but users will have a reminder it's there. I changed it a long time ago and I asked that it wouldn't further be discussed unless you need to make a point because it's extremely annoying to go and look at the discussion here and only see requests for what I've already added.

 

 If I get one more post I can answer with this one quote, which is not only the first thing under Additional Information, and in bold, I'm giving it red text and sizing it up. The amount of people missing it is way too high.

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 First of all, don't call me Palindrome. Second...

 

 I said read, because you need to read. This is opt-in, but users will have a reminder it's there. I changed it a long time ago and I asked that it wouldn't further be discussed unless you need to make a point because it's extremely annoying to go and look at the discussion here and only see requests for what I've already added.

 

 If I get one more post I can answer with this one quote, which is not only the first thing under Additional Information, and in bold, I'm giving it red text and sizing it up. The amount of people missing it is way too high.

I know what you said. It's opt-in. But if this is to help new users - they will miss it. I can guarantee that the kind of person who needs that kind of help WILL miss it. I HAVE read it - every last post you have made - and I think YOU are missing the point that new users routinely miss this stuff. There's someone here just posted that their eggs won't hatch after one day. They could have hit help - and clearly hadn't. They often miss the option to accept help. They often even miss the video tutorial offered when they sign up.

 

The people who will notice this option are the kind of people who do NOT need it.

 

So whether or not it is opt in or opt out makes no difference. It will offer no HELP to anyone; it is just a social thing. And many of us like this game BECAUSE there is no social side to it. You keep flagging this as a HELPING thing. It isn't.

 

Just for the record - it isn't OK in a thread to say what may or may not be discussed. That isn't your decision to make.

 

Sorry my spellchecker knows how to work with your name. But if you didn't like them you wouldn't have used it as a name xd.png

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 First of all, don't call me Palindrome. Second...

 

 I said read, because you need to read. This is opt-in, but users will have a reminder it's there. I changed it a long time ago and I asked that it wouldn't further be discussed unless you need to make a point because it's extremely annoying to go and look at the discussion here and only see requests for what I've already added.

 

 If I get one more post I can answer with this one quote, which is not only the first thing under Additional Information, and in bold, I'm giving it red text and sizing it up. The amount of people missing it is way too high.

Okay it's Opt In, Yes we get it. but that means:

 

New users who don't know about this feature and may need the help will not have it.

 

and

 

older users either will not bother to opt in because they can raise their dragons just fine,

 

or

 

don't want people on their scrolls,

 

or

don't want extra lag won't opt in.

 

And those who do opt in will quickly become so used to seeing it there that they never click on it, because they are busy, the novelty is gone, they forget about it....whatever.

 

So, who, exactly is going to use this, and how is actually helping anyone? Simple, it isn't.

 

I like how you keep telling everyone they need to read your posts, yet when others make the same points you keep saying over and over again that you either don't understand the problem or that you've already answered it. People can and will make the same points as many times as they feel like it, If it is one of the problems they have with the suggestion it is going to be mentioned.

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I don't support it, sorry. It would be simply adding a weight on servers and nobody needs it. In the world of hatcheries and fansites this couple of clicks isn't worth the work of coding, implementing, opting in or out and so on.

 

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I don't support it, sorry. It would be simply adding a weight on servers and nobody needs it. In the world of hatcheries and fansites this couple of clicks isn't worth the work of coding, implementing, opting in or out and so on.

This thread was up for locking before you posted this. Please stop posting, thank you.

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This thread was up for locking before you posted this. Please stop posting, thank you.

If you don't want to be in charge of updating the thread, that's fine. You can abandon it as an OP simply by stopping posting/editing or posting a notice that someone who has the motivation to be the OP can post a new thread when/if they wish.

 

However, we don't lock threads in Suggestions just by user request. Therefore, this suggestion is fine for users to continue discussing until such time as TJ makes a final call on the suggestion. ^^

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