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Am I the only person who really doesn't like the new layout that is rolling out at the moment? (no !)

 

There were a number of posts in Cave Feedback, and in TLQ, but it still rolls relentlessly on.

 

Can I ask why the new layout is needed at all ? It seems to be glitchy - at least in the past; it has non-medieval looking cogs on it which presumably go to the same pages as they used to when they were just words, and - well what's the point ? I happen to find it very ugly, but that aside - what is the reason for it ? The old one isn't broken at all.

 

Others feel the same way: there are posts here and onwards, and also in TLQ. One major issue is the colouring in other skins - there are reports that the text is illegible.

 

Is there ANY chance that it can at least be a choice, as skins are ?

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I personally love the new layout. It feels clean and organized to me. It's easy to find the information I might be looking for.

 

And that is why things get rolled out slowly - to fix any potential bugs. I haven't had any issues with it for quite some time now.

 

I'm also sorry to say that I think this is definitely one of those things that "not everything needs to be optional" applies to. >.>

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The HUGE text at the top ? WHY ?

 

The cog and the link - for what ? Why not just links ? (I shall block them anyway - but the text links are all that's needed....) It's just messy with those there.

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Tbh, I always missed names of dragons on the old layout. Now they're easy to find, and fittingly an attention grabber.

 

As for the cog, it helps separate out links, which are now handily at the top of the page rather than hidden in a column.

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I'm going to chime in and say I agree. I'm also using the Portal 2 skin, FYI.

 

When the main site skin was changed, I didn't like it, but it didn't annoy me as much because I could just block the background image that was bothering me and I mostly use Portal 2 anyway, since it's easier on my eyes when I'm on the computer at night.

 

But this change seems really visually unappealing and there's no way to work around it. All the nice, neat little columns are skewed now, and for what purpose? I also don't know why the "owner" info switched sides, but that's not as big a deal. Not a huge fan of the big text/code up at the top either, but my biggest issue is the columns and the actions/code options up at the top. Maybe they could be put down at the bottom, after the egg/dragon description? I think that would help.

 

I know that this might seem like a relatively minor complaint, but it affects everyone. I'm also of the opinion "if it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it".

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Tbh, I always missed names of dragons on the old layout. Now they're easy to find, and fittingly an attention grabber.

 

As for the cog, it helps separate out links, which are now handily at the top of the page rather than hidden in a column.

They are at the top of the page now - so why the extra graphics, which aren't links or anything, just clutter. I don't particularly mind the new arrangement of text - it's the massive dragon name now it's at top centre (and I'd prefer top left, but I can live with centre) - why so huge ? and those silly little images which do nothing - and actually leave it LESS "clean" than it was. Someone said they are out of place and if we are to have them, a nice little celtic cross or something would be more in keeping. Have to agree there, too.

 

I agree that the 'cogs' are out of place theme-wise.. AND they are totally unnecessary too. If you have to have a graphic, why not a simple Celtic cross?

They could easily be separated by a bigger SPACE, too.

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I personally love the new layout. It feels clean and organized to me. It's easy to find the information I might be looking for.

Except that the latest screenshot we got from it in TLQ does *not* feel clean and organized at all.

 

Current:

user posted image

 

First sight of the new layout:

user posted image

 

Recent sight of a newer new layout:

user posted image

 

I kind of prefer the columns in the 2nd image, not that mashup in the 3rd one. blink.gif

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If I were to hazard a guess I would say the appearance in the last image is a formatting bug, not a new layout feature, and panicking over it is at least slightly premature?

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Except that the latest screenshot we got from it in TLQ does *not* feel clean and organized at all.

Thank you, I was just taking some screenshots to illustrate this fact, but you beat me to it.

 

Before, everything was neat and organized. Now, not so much.

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If I were to hazard a guess I would say the appearance in the last image is a formatting bug, not a new layout feature, and panicking over it is at least slightly premature?

Well, thank you for labelling my concerns over layout issues as "panicking" and taking me seriously. mad.gif

 

I prefer to point out issues with something new *early on* while things are still in the works anyway instead of waiting for everything to be declared finished and *then* raising my voice.

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Am I the only person who really doesn't like the new layout that is rolling out at the moment? (no !)

 

There were a number of posts in Cave Feedback, and in TLQ, but it still rolls relentlessly on.

 

Can I ask why the new layout is needed at all ? It seems to be glitchy - at least in the past; it has non-medieval looking cogs on it which presumably go to the same pages as they used to when they were just words, and - well what's the point ? I happen to find it very ugly, but that aside - what is the reason for it ? The old one isn't broken at all.

 

Others feel the same way: there are posts here and onwards, and also in TLQ. One major issue is the colouring in other skins - there are reports that the text is illegible.

 

Is there ANY chance that it can at least be a choice, as skins are ?

No, you're not. After seeing a screenshot in TLQ, I felt that for once I didn't mind TJ's threat that those who remained on dinocave and blackout wouldn't get updates. But alas, the new layout has reached my scroll despite me being on dinocave. sad.gif

The old layout looked like a neatly organised scroll, column on the left, column on the right, plenty of free space to relax your eyes on, everything tidy.

Now it looks like someone scattered text all over the page, all the writing is jumping at you and vying for your attention. It makes me feel harassed in exactly the same way excess advertising does, and there is no way I can admire a dragon on a page like that - my eyes feel like they have to spread all across the page and take it in at the same time.

 

In short, the old one is more relaxing and neat.

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Well, thank you for labelling my concerns over layout issues as "panicking" and taking me seriously. mad.gif

 

I prefer to point out issues with something new *early on* while things are still in the works anyway instead of waiting for everything to be declared finished and *then* raising my voice.

I'm sorry you think that my post is meant to invalidate your concerns. I am merely correctly pointing out that the posts thus far in this thread criticizing a "new" view layout which is pretty obviously not displaying as intended are very much in the panicky "why do you keep changing things" tone and very much not in the constructive "I think I'm experiencing a formatting error" tone.

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If I were to hazard a guess I would say the appearance in the last image is a formatting bug, not a new layout feature, and panicking over it is at least slightly premature?

I just came over to the forums to find out about 'the glitch' I thought I had on my scroll!

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aside from the title and containing text having kind of a weirdly big gap between them (which doesnt even bug me that much tbh) i dont really mind the new layout. i find the font a lot easier to read especially with the different coloring of the title part. i found the old layout difficult to comprehend since everything was kinda mashed close together in a big ol block. i like the cog and chain icons as well, i mean, they're pretty harmless. they separate the links. they certainly do their job.

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Except that the latest screenshot we got from it in TLQ does *not* feel clean and organized at all.

 

Current:

user posted image

 

First sight of the new layout:

user posted image

 

Recent sight of a newer new layout:

user posted image

 

I kind of prefer the columns in the 2nd image, not that mashup in the 3rd one. blink.gif

omg bad:(

 

 

1st one is good, I never felt lost in it, maybe just the "TEXT:" part could be of a slightly different color than what's after ":"

 

when I look at 2nd I'm NOPE:( I had difficulties finding where lineage is... and really those icons next to Actions and Html are a NO sad.gif They don't fit... meh

 

and I sometimes see the 3rd and I've always thought my page simply didn't load properly - because that's how it looks like, a broken page - loaded wrong.

 

 

And the heading looks horrible:/ and it's way too close to the sprite! it's also an unnecessary info, which is repeated a bit below...

 

 

So I'd stay with the 1st and simply change the colors of the text before ":" (e.g. into what's in the screen 2) or bold... but the additional space in the 2nd screen introduces mess to me, especially as each text before ":" is of different length and in many places the spase is too large....

 

So I'd stay with 1st but just change the colors like in 2nd, for me 2nd has nothing else to offer than just the color change and the additional 'Enter' between sme sections. But the columns and the 2icons and that large headign with 'viewing name' are a big NO to me.

 

Idk, but the spacing between before ":" and after it is way too large... I feel lost.

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I can understand most of the changes, however, the thing that jumps out to me most is the enormous text at the top. It really seems unnecessary to me, and it doesn't seem like it is a formatting glitch. I understand the need for more visible text of the name of the dragon- but at its current stage, it drowns out the image of the dragon itself, which kind of defeats the point of the dragon's sprite. I would suggest that the font be not much bigger than the info font is, in the same place as it is now. Otherwise it looks very lopsided and overdone.

 

Alternative options would be to center it so that it lines up with the sprite, or remove the bold from the font. Either way, I really feel like the title is not well done at this point.

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I can live with the second one in the image, but I hate hate hate the action/link thing being at the top. Pictures don't fit the theme of dragcave, it seems very unbalanced and clunky and visually unappealing. Disrupts the flow of the page BIG time. Whoever's helping out, please try to remove the graphics and place those links where they were before. I like to scan for parents and lineage when breeding, and there is no reason to change it to something that is worse and unappealing. Try putting it back (and the link link as well) please.

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if the new layout is made optional both ways i suppose everyone would be happy, because i heavily prefer the new look. i dont exactly want to be forced to go back to black-block-o-text myself. especially since how good either layout looks/works for someone really depends on the individual and their preferences, for some people the new layout is incomprehensibly bad and for some it's a welcome update, so i feel like making it optional is a safe bet, if that's possible. otherwise i dont think there's a way to make both sides happy tbh.

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No, you're not. After seeing a screenshot in TLQ, I felt that for once I didn't mind TJ's threat that those who remained on dinocave and blackout wouldn't get updates. But alas, the new layout has reached my scroll despite me being on dinocave. sad.gif

NOOO! Say it isnt so. *Runs off to log in*

 

*whew* It is not showing up on my Dino Cave at least currently. I can only see it switching to default skin. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let it remain this way.

 

So how come Dino and Blackout which were not supposed to get updates is getting this UI update simply for aesthetic reasons (which I am sure it will eventually since others have already seen it there at some point), when the much more informative and useful update of the clock at top has not been added to any other skins?

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It takes time for people to adjust to any change. Personally, I tend to ignore people who haven't *used* a new layout for at least 3 months. Humans being humans, there tends to be a strong negative reaction to most changes from the majority, but given time the human creature is adaptable.

 

I've only been using the new layout continuously for a few days, and the only issue I've had with it is the placement of the Actions link: I keep going to the left justified position it used to hold. I suspect I'll adjust just fine. In a couple of months I'll let you know if having it in the center is still an irritant. tongue.gif

 

Otherwise, I like it just fine. It looks better than the old one, and the note about the "User Description" I hope is a hint of a change in descriptions that is on the horizon. Pax Diaboli models it, for those with the new layout:

http://dragcave.net/view/kaayF

 

I can't screen-shot right now, so if someone else who has the new layout wants to, feel free!

 

Cheers!

C4.

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I've only been using the new layout continuously for a few days, and the only issue I've had with it is the placement of the Actions link: I keep going to the left justified position it used to hold. I suspect I'll adjust just fine. In a couple of months I'll let you know if having it in the center is still an irritant. tongue.gif

 

Otherwise, I like it just fine. It looks better than the old one, and the note about the "User Description" I hope is a hint of a change in descriptions that is on the horizon. Pax Diaboli models it, for those with the new layout:

http://dragcave.net/view/kaayF

 

I can't screen-shot right now, so if someone else who has the new layout wants to, feel free!

 

Cheers!

C4.

You like the cog and the link ? And the HUGE text at the top ?

 

Your link shows the old style layout - not sure what it was supposed to show....? what "note about the user description" ?

 

ETA Oh, wait - I can see it when logged out. That IS a good change, yes. Suggests auto-approve is on the way.

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C4, it appears that those of us who don't yet have the new layout just see your link in the old layout, so it is not helping.

 

Edit: Thanks Fuzz for the screenie.

 

I do like the user description label and hope it is an indication that auto-approve is on the way.

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You like the cog and the link ? And the HUGE text at the top ?

 

Your link shows the old style layout - not sure what it was supposed to show....? what "note about the user description" ?

 

ETA Oh, wait - I can see it when logged out. That IS a good change, yes. Suggests auto-approve is on the way.

Thanks, Fuzz, for the image!

 

The Cogs don't bother me much, actually they act to grab your attention from the words.

 

As for the big letters at the top.... I thought I would mind them, but there is one thing ALL of the screen shots lack: the black header just above those big letters. Those big letters vanish into the header 99% of the time and you just don't notice them. I know its an optical illusion, but there it is. At this point a couple days into its use, I just don't see those big letters anymore unless I want to look for them. Mind, I think we could do without Viewing Dragon: , and I think we should always have the code (wWNOf) after the name, but.... that's just me.

 

From your comments, its clear that neither of you have the new layout yet. My advice is to *wait*, its not nearly as bad to use as it looks in screen shots.

 

Cheers!

C4.

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Thanks, Fuzz, for the image!

 

The Cogs don't bother me much, actually they act to grab your attention from the words.

 

As for the big letters at the top.... I thought I would mind them, but there is one thing ALL of the screen shots lack: the black header just above those big letters. Those big letters vanish into the header 99% of the time and you just don't notice them. I know its an optical illusion, but there it is. At this point a couple days into its use, I just don't see those big letters anymore unless I want to look for them. Mind, I think we could do without Viewing Dragon: , and I think we should always have the code (wWNOf) after the name, but.... that's just me.

 

From your comments, its clear that neither of you have the new layout yet. My advice is to *wait*, its not nearly as bad to use as it looks in screen shots.

 

Cheers!

C4.

It has cogs. I shall block them. and as I cannot use the default skin, nothing is going to disappear into the whatever, for me.

 

I am hoping it manages to miss me biggrin.gif

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