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*coaxes self* George, now is the best time to say it.

 

What?! Oh, alright. " ohmy.gif That witch!"

 

Anyway, Tomato_Juice. Some friends are such. If you feel bad with how she treats you, then address it to her directly. smile.gif I find that this method always work. It becomes clear. If what she says is not enough for you, or if she gives stupid answers, then that would be the best time to cut your ties with her. Yes, there are times when you really have to cut the friendship bond no matter how it hurts within if that relationship became parasitic or one-sided where one abuses the other. A commensalism where one benefits too but the other not being harm would not be bad.

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I'm reading other people's posts and really feel insignificant to all of them, like my problems are way more minor. But it still hurts me sometimes.

 

This thing happened a few months ago, but I'm only writing about it now.

 

So basically last year I was good friends with this girl in my class. Like really really good friends. We spent every recess together and we talked, we gamed, we enjoyed each other's company so much. Being with her made me really happy, and we were very close. I introduced her to Minecraft, and we kind of bonded over it, and it brought us closer. We spent nearly every moment together on our computers playing Minecraft and building this awesome world together. I thought nothing could go wrong.

 

Then early this year, she ditched me for a group of cooler kids.

 

At first I didn't notice. Then it became clear that she was now friends with them. Thinking we were still friends, I would sit with her and her new group of friends for recess. After a few days it became apparent I wasn't welcome there. Then it sunk in that she had dumped me for them.

 

I was very upset. At that time I felt really empty, since my very good friend had now left me. She had ditched me, a normal person, a 'nobody', for the 'somebodies' in class. (In our class, the 'class politics' are very clear.) I guess she didn't have the same interests as me anymore, but that's not a problem, since I'm adaptable and can change to suit other people's needs. Or maybe she just thought I wasn't cool enough for her.

 

She's changed, I can tell. She's now more fashion conscious and concerned about her image, and she dresses and talks like the other girls in the group. She hardly notices me now, and I bet she didn't even realise she had dumped me as a friend. I'm not sad that she now has a group of closer friends. I don't hate them; they're pretty nice people. But I'm just upset, and kind of mad, that she totally doesn't care about me now.

 

Now she hardly speaks to me. The only times she does are to ask to use my phone hotspot when she needs Wifi, and it uses up a lot of my data allowance, but I still do it because I try to me nice to her. I feel like now she's using me for her own advantage. Once we had to pair up for an activity, and she asked to pair with me. At first I was really excited as I thought it was back to the good old days, but no, I realised she had only done so because all the people in her clique had already paired up. So it's kinda like she's using me as her 'back-up friend', and I don't like it.

 

Well, she might have forgotten about me, but deep down I still do care for her, and even hope that we might become close again, like in the past. I know these friendship problems are really common in everyone, but this one hurts me every time I think of it because now she's starting to use me after she's ditched me as a friend. Any advice?

Aww, Tomato_Juice... I'm so sorry that had to happen to you. I understand perfectly. Things like that have happened to me, and it hurts. Big time.

 

I agree with george-- you need to confront her about it and tell her how you feel. That's the only way things will be resolved, one way or another. Either she sees what she's doing and sees her relationship with you as more important... Or she doesn't. Either way, don't let her take advantage of you like that.

 

I wish I could help more... and don't worry. no problem is minor if it hurts you that bad. sad.gif

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Tomato_Juice - As much as it sucks, it's not uncommon for friends to fall into another group and drift away as you grow up. Whatever you do, don't see it as a failing on your part - these things happen, and it isn't by any means an indicator of your worth as a person.

 

I had a very similar experience the summer of my freshman year of high school - my best friend of 6 years fell in with a new group of friends (including her first actual boyfriend), and we went from practically living at each other's houses to me not seeing or hearing from her the entire summer. I keep a naturally-small group of friends, so I really didn't have anyone close to me other than her at the time.

 

That'd have been bad enough by itself, but that was also the summer that my dad was killed in a motorcycle accident. When I needed her, or anyone, the most, I had no friends for support outside of my family. I didn't get one phone call from her, not one visit, and she didn't come to the funeral. I didn't see her until school resumed in the fall. Her excuse? Her new friends wouldn't bring her over to visit. It was no excuse for her not even calling.

 

That was 17 years ago, and it still makes me angry to this day, though at least it doesn't hurt like it did at the time. We did end up resuming our friendship eventually, but it was nowhere near as close as it once was, nor did I want it to be - I refused to allow myself to get close to her again, in case she pulled the same stunt as before. I blame her in part for my abandonment issues, and the mindset I've developed in thinking that any time a friend meets a new friend (or boyfriend/girlfriend) it means that I'll be pushed to the wayside and left behind again. It's mostly not true, but the thought still dogs me.

 

Sorry, got a bit sidetracked there. As for what you might do, I'd say what the others have said. Confront her. Explain to her what you're feeling. It will go one of two ways - either she'll finally realize how crappy of a friend she's being and make an effort to try salvage things, or she'll cut you out entirely.

 

Don't be surprised if the latter happens - if she's gotten in to a group that's more 'popular', then she's likely subscribed to the herd mentality in order to fit in with them, and unfortunately that often involves severing ties with the people who the group as a whole deems 'uncool'. There are some kids who can balance, but if she's still insecure with the position she has within the group, then she's going to do what she has to in order to earn the approval of her new peers.

 

If you don't want to be confrontational, there's another solution you could try. I'm assuming here that your parents pay for your wireless service. Simply tell her that you have to be more careful about the usage of your hotspot because your parents are angry about the overage fees, and will take it away from you if you can't get it under control, and make sure to kindly point up that she uses far more than anyone else outside of yourself and that she is cut off from using it.

 

If she truly is only using you for your hotspot, you'll find that she'll pretty much drop off the face of the earth when it comes to her interactions with you. She'll show you exactly how much value the remnants of your friendship hold for her. If this happens, hold firm! Don't cave! You'll make other friends, and it'll only cause you more pain and heartache to cling to a friendship that essentially no longer exists.

 

Though it doesn't feel like it, you will make other friends, I promise you this. And remember - this in no way makes you a person with less value. It can't be helped that people grow apart, and it really does break down to it being as simple as that.

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Omega Entity, I'm so sorry that happened! It must be terrible!

 

Thanks for all the kind words. I know that all these friendship problems are really common, but this one hurt me the most as she started to use me once we weren't friends anymore. Come to think of it, I don't have to help her. I always try to help people, but if it affects me, actually I don't have to do it. She doesn't even care about me, so why should I help her? But hen again, I really want to salvage this friendship, and sometimes she gets mad if I don't help her, even if I'm not obliged to. Sigh.

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I'm trying to pretend I don't care right now; it's only partially working.

 

It's likely dumb and shouldn't be of concern, but I feel like such a failure because I can't understand a thing in my Physics 351 class (a college course I have to pass in order to enroll in higher courses for my degree). I've tried getting help from my professor but he can't explain things in a different way that I'll understand. I try working with my classmates (I just got back home from a study group) but that doesn't help either. Mostly because I can't get past this mental block that has been created.

 

I feel so ****ing inferior to them all. They debate, they toss ideas or solutions back and fourth, and they seem to understand it all within moments.

 

While I just fall silent and fade into the background. How can I compare?

 

I feel like I don't belong among them because I'm a bumbling idiot that just stumbled into the wrong classroom.

 

And it hurts. A lot. I'm stressed out and an emotional wreck about it. I left the study group early because I was going to cry and I wanted to be home when I did.

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@Narvix: It's alright. smile.gif There is nothing to feel inferior about. Some people have different methods in studying and learning as well as their own pace. There are visual, auditory, and kinetic learners. Simply try some activities under each category and see what works best. That also includes self study and group study.

 

To give an example, I am a visual learner. It took me awhile to realise this. I prefer to stare at my notes rather than listening to audio. I use my teachers' gestures to aid in my learning and memorisation. Also, I find myself unable to study in a group. I prefer solo or one on one. One on one either with my professor or tutor (who is an upperclassman). With memorisation, I hate it. I go to the extent of making a mnemonic if there's none available. Fun and easy to remember mnemonics. Some are silly such as naming organic molecules- methane, ethane, propane and butane. I simply use the intials- MEPB to say that ME (Management Engineering) has peanut butter. Sounds silly but helped me remember.

 

So in short:

1. Find your study method- visual, auditory, kinetic

2. Solo, one-on-one, group

3. Mnemonics

4. Have fun! Connect it to your personal life experience as much as possible

 

@Tomato_Juice and Narvix:

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@EmmaD333: Sometimes, one must learn how to let go. It's very difficult though and may take some time. smile.gif Spend that time you need- on activities that you enjoy, not in sadness.

 

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//Rant, could use a virtual hug. TW for anorexia if it counts

 

So my sis was released from hospital two days ago and she's slipping right back into her censorkip.gif all eating habits. The nurses at the hospital drummed it into our heads that anorexia has the second highest mortality rate behind cancer (20%) and that I, as an older sister, need to set an example for her to follow. Well I've apparently already failed at that after this afternoon I'm in a censorkip.gif state of mind right now, with all those fears of the worst happening flooding back along with feelings of uselessness and guilt.

 

//endrant

 

I know I was warned that this could be a long haul but after the passive-aggressiveness she's been exhibiting thus far it's going to be far longer and far harder than what I feared. My mum's all stressed and upset, worrying both about my sis, and everyone else. And I'm just trying to put my needs to the side so there's less stress on her - hell, if I'm gonna do so much as cry, I try my darnedest to do it privately so she, my sisters, or anyone, don't see just how upset I am. Not that that tactic's had a hundred percent success rate so far.

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//Rant, could use a virtual hug. TW for anorexia if it counts

 

So my sis was released from hospital two days ago and she's slipping right back into her censorkip.gif all eating habits. The nurses at the hospital drummed it into our heads that anorexia has the second highest mortality rate behind cancer (20%) and that I, as an older sister, need to set an example for her to follow. Well I've apparently already failed at that after this afternoon I'm in a censorkip.gif state of mind right now, with all those fears of the worst happening flooding back along with feelings of uselessness and guilt.

 

//endrant

 

I know I was warned that this could be a long haul but after the passive-aggressiveness she's been exhibiting thus far it's going to be far longer and far harder than what I feared. My mum's all stressed and upset, worrying both about my sis, and everyone else. And I'm just trying to put my needs to the side so there's less stress on her - hell, if I'm gonna do so much as cry, I try my darnedest to do it privately so she, my sisters, or anyone, don't see just how upset I am. Not that that tactic's had a hundred percent success rate so far.

"In hope, the soul is in darkness but turns towards a light it does not yet perceive. May you find the light and not lose hope!"

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//Rant, could use a virtual hug. TW for anorexia if it counts

 

So my sis was released from hospital two days ago and she's slipping right back into her censorkip.gif all eating habits. The nurses at the hospital drummed it into our heads that anorexia has the second highest mortality rate behind cancer (20%) and that I, as an older sister, need to set an example for her to follow. Well I've apparently already failed at that after this afternoon I'm in a censorkip.gif state of mind right now, with all those fears of the worst happening flooding back along with feelings of uselessness and guilt.

 

//endrant

 

I know I was warned that this could be a long haul but after the passive-aggressiveness she's been exhibiting thus far it's going to be far longer and far harder than what I feared. My mum's all stressed and upset, worrying both about my sis, and everyone else. And I'm just trying to put my needs to the side so there's less stress on her - hell, if I'm gonna do so much as cry, I try my darnedest to do it privately so she, my sisters, or anyone, don't see just how upset I am. Not that that tactic's had a hundred percent success rate so far.

You are in no way responsible for her starting to apparently relapse, regardless of if you're supposed to 'set a good example'. That's a terrible burden to put on your shoulders. You are not responsible for anyone else's failings, whether anyone makes you feel like you are or not. People are responsible for their own actions.

 

I hope your sister gets better.

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I feel so...so... I don't know. I'm crying now....

 

So recently I had an big exam. My parents arranged a family trip as a treat for me.

 

But today...they started arguing about hotels, prices and idk... and it got really intense.

 

Then... its like everything points to me. They start yelling about not being fit to be a father/mother, stating that Im there and one of them is like I don't care and yada yada.

 

I dont know what to say anymore. They are like arguing about me instead, although I know that its not my fault, it makes me upset. One of them was like "you see? are you just going to argue and yell in front of the child (me)" and the other one is like "Yes I dont care"

 

I just want a hug and some love. I had enough for today

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I feel so...so... I don't know. I'm crying now....

 

So recently I had an big exam. My parents arranged a family trip as a treat for me.

 

But today...they started arguing about hotels, prices and idk... and it got really intense.

 

Then... its like everything points to me. They start yelling about not being fit to be a father/mother, stating that Im there and one of them is like I don't care and yada yada.

 

I dont know what to say anymore. They are like arguing about me instead, although I know that its not my fault, it makes me upset. One of them was like "you see? are you just going to argue and yell in front of the child (me)" and the other one is like "Yes I dont care"

 

I just want a hug and some love. I had enough for today

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I know it's hard. There was a lot of yelling in my family too.

 

I'm out of the house now, and it's amazing. Keep it going, okay?

 

It sounds like they care about you, but sometime people just get really caught up in themselves. They do stupid stuff and say things that they really don't mean. Their selfishness is not because of you.

 

Can you leave the house? Or at least leave their presence?

 

Whenever mine started arguing, I used earbud/headphone and I just played music to drown it all out. Do you have something that helps soothe you and can you do whatever that is? I wish I was there, I would give you lots of hugs and love, but for now, I'll just send a bunch through the screen and hope it reaches you quickly.

 

 

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@ForNarniaMC: evangeline5432 is correct. At some moments, people can do things that are hurtful despite having good intentions and are caring. I'll add that in this case, your parents are concern with you; they just get blinded by other problems such as financials. sad.gif It's always financials. Do not get it personally. Keep calm. smile.gif You also get a hug from me.

 

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Hey guys.

 

I'm going through some pretty rough times right now.

 

I won't go into too much detail, for both the reader's sake and mine, but it's greatly limiting my ability to be active online. Basically, it's causing a ton of social anxiety and stress. Interacting with people is really hard right now. Even posting this is proving to be pretty difficult.

 

If it's at all possible, could I have some hugs from some friends?

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Hey guys.

 

I'm going through some pretty rough times right now.

 

I won't go into too much detail, for both the reader's sake and mine, but it's greatly limiting my ability to be active online. Basically, it's causing a ton of social anxiety and stress. Interacting with people is really hard right now. Even posting this is proving to be pretty difficult.

 

If it's at all possible, could I have some hugs from some friends?

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@Ælex: Loss will never go completely away, but in time, it gets set in the background.

This.

 

Ten years down the line my grandfather still pops into my dreams, about once a week. They almost always involve him dying again, or leaving. Last week I ended up trying to resuscitate him (unsuccessfully) in my dream, and then ended up critcising the nurses who performed Last Officers on him. Was tempted to post about it here at the time just to get it out of my head.

 

The immediate pain does end, eventually. Be it because it dulls, or you dull it down yourself, or it becomes a part of you. But there will always be some ache there.

 

Drinking and smoking is not good for you, but you are a normal person in an abnormal situation and it is therefore normal to have such an extreme reaction. Drink a bit, curse a bit, whatever. You are allowed to do that. Just don't let it become normal in the medium- or long-term.

I'm reading other people's posts and really feel insignificant to all of them, like my problems are way more minor. But it still hurts me sometimes.

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When I was 18yrs, I made a friend in the online e-mail RP circle, and decided to let her in on my 'deepest pains' - my girlfriend slept with someone else. I wrote it out like I felt out; the most painful, darkest, most tormented circumstances I had ever faced. And being a writer I was good at making it sound exactly like that. She replied with kindness, concern and understanding, and in turn divulged her secret; that her child was the result of enforced sexual activity.

 

How the hell did a teenager's cheating pains compare to the hell my Sylph went through?! Let alone reply in such a way that made me feel like my circumstances really were the most terrible thing on the planet to go through, in spite of what she had experienced?

 

Because, as she explained at the time, the hardships we face are real to us, and if they cause us that much pain then they really are that serious, and should be treated as such.

 

You can have your 'insignificant' problems, but if they hurt you then that pain exists. Validate it, accept that your difficulties are difficult, and don't feel like you can't talk about that among those who are discussing things you perceive as much worse. After all, if you need help, then you need it. It is braver and healthier to ask for help then to bury it and think it's not worth voicing.

 

A decade later I still think my g/f cheating on me at the time was probably the hardest time of my life. This is despite having had domestic violence, sexual abusive, untimely deaths and life-threatening surgeries peppering my life and the lives of those closest to me. Pain will always be what we perceive it to be, and others should accept that.

My best friends are leaving church. I don't know when I'm going to see them again, and they're hard to get ahold of.

 

I've spent the last hour weeping, throwing myself into my music, and just generally crying so much, and I feel like a total pushover, then I feel worse about myself. Then I cry more. Repeat last two steps.

People move in and out of life. If you manage to keep even a handful of people in your live for more than a decade you're doing damn fine. Loss is sadly part of the cycle we all experience.

 

Responding to it by crying and listening music is fine. I replace crying with vicious murder of pixels on the PS3. Same difference. But being upset over them leaving does not make you a pushover. We all experience loss and sadness and it may leave a mark on you, but that doesn't make you less of a person for it.

 

Early days though. You may see them again, sooner or later. After eight years my best childhood friend came back and became my girlfriend for five more years (on and off...). While you shouldn't pine for them to return every minute of every day, just remember that they're around. If you live in the same town/area as them you'll probably end up bumping into them in town, or at work, or in further study. Maybe you'll pick up where you left off, maybe it'll be a casual acquaintance. Maybe it'll be something that none of us can foresee.

 

So feel sad, lose yourself in something you love, but don't feel less of a human for feeling that way. To lose is to be human.

//Rant, could use a virtual hug. TW for anorexia if it counts

 

So my sis was released from hospital two days ago and she's slipping right back into her censorkip.gif all eating habits. The nurses at the hospital drummed it into our heads that anorexia has the second highest mortality rate behind cancer (20%) and that I, as an older sister, need to set an example for her to follow. Well I've apparently already failed at that after this afternoon I'm in a censorkip.gif state of mind right now, with all those fears of the worst happening flooding back along with feelings of uselessness and guilt.

 

//endrant

You are not responsible for your sister's state of being, unless you're the one forcibly starving her. I'm sorry if the nurses made it seem like you're the one to set the example and that her choices are your failure - that is the mistake of the nurse, not you.

 

We all have the free will to make our own decisions no matter how unwise they may seem to others. We can support those who wish to change and encourage them, but before they are willing to make that change there is little we can do. Until your sister moves into the stage of change where she is open and receptive to changing, there is little even the most skilled of psychologists could do, let alone you. As older siblings we may want to take responsibility for the failures of our little sisters and protect them from harm, but until they allow us in there's not much we can do except be there to pick up the pieces.

 

If she continues in these habits without wanting or showing a need to change, there isn't much we can do. No point lecturing her since that'll make it worse, no point shocking her. Accept her as a person but acknowledge they are unhealthy habits, and that should she wish to change you will support her.

 

My personal favourite theory of change is Prochaska and DiClemente's; here's some generic advice here. Your sister is likely in the Pre-Contemplative stage (i.e. has not fully grasped or accepted the extent of how unhealthy her habits are in the long run), and it is about helping her to move into the Contemplative stages and beyond. Slow, careful process. http://stepupprogram.org/docs/handouts/STE...s_of_Change.pdf

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I suppose its not a big deal but i lost my phone today. I am annoyed at myself for putting it down or it falling out of a pocket. I suspect someone has a nice free phone :/

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Also, is it an iPhone? If you have location services enabled, you can locate it using your pc. That's how we found out my brother's phone was in a snowdrift somewhere in the parking lot at his work. It probably spent 2 or 3 months out there before he finally found it, lol.

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Okay so, um hi again everyone. warning about self harm mentioned

 

I'm well taking a big step in my road to recovery from everything I've been through. Thinking of admitting myself for a weekend or so

 

The anxiety, the stress, the depression. I'm tired of people saying it's my fault I couldn't focus to drive, my fault i couldn't pass math ( 8 times) I've failed because i have dyslexia in math, dyscaculia or something like that. My fault at everything because I don't try,

 

Now I have a tenant living with me and my mom who thinks he knows everything about what I'm going through. Admitted I was self harming again as well, well i couldn't admit it actually he butted in and told me it was because I wanted attention for admitting anything like cutting ( which I haven't done since june). He picks fights constantly and brings up it's my fault, I'm apparently also spoiled and get everything handed to me.....

 

The worst part, I suffer depression about 90% of the time, unmedicated but really I just want to keep to myself and my pets. I have a uncertified emotional support animal who lives in my room with me when I just don't want to leave it. anyways off track with that. My depression is something I've had since a teenager, 14 to be exact and unable to be treated for long. And being the holidays it's gotten worse because my dad was in and out of hospitals but passed away on vday 2010 ( he deserved to be in a happy place though without pain or suffering)

 

Irl I have no real friends because of the way I've been treated by most people, also have agoraphobia ( fear of people/social/open spaces). really all I want is someone who will stop putting me down all the damn time, my family hates me to the point one aunt told me I'm worthless, usless and better off if I killed myself because I'm a burden on my mother.

 

After all that, I just really want someone to talk to, someone who well knows me. Anyways, sorry on the long post. I just have a lot to get out.

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How about a complete stranger who has been through a lot, and wont judge you for your past? Im always willing to chat, and will flat out tell you if a specific topic is risking triggering me.

 

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Ive been stressing heavily over how many bridges i've burnt in the past two years. I have been trying to apologize where i can, and giving people space where asked. I find myself in a position now though where I have to ask myself "why these people?" Why is it so important to me, to have closure with the people that i feel driven to fix things with.

 

None of them were all that close to me, that im worried about fixing things with. None of them cared about me when i was driving myself into a tailspin of self destruction. Ive lost everyone who i felt were important to me, and i dont understand why.

 

I can only apologize so often. I can only guess what i did wrong, so many times before i give up and decide that it couldnt have been completely my fault, that it had to be something on their end that broke things. Im brutally honest, but not with cruel intentions. Ive explained every decision, bad or good, ive changed everything about who i am, in order to be more like i was before i lost control. I own every mistake, but i can not honestly believe that i am such a horrible person that i cant fix at least some of these bridges.

 

25k in debt, trying to get my mental status back to a steady baseline (averaging $3k/month). Ive done everything i can. Support groups (paid and free), therapy, weekly doc appointments, attempted hospital stays, meds, communication with those i trust... im stable. I will always have good and bad days. I just miss those people that for whatever reason, dont want me in their lives. I know im better off walking away, but I cant stop wondering /why/.

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How about a complete stranger who has been through a lot, and wont judge you for your past? Im always willing to chat, and will flat out tell you if a specific topic is risking triggering me.

 

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I don't mind, and honestly I know how you feel. I'm just now getting to where I'm able to even think about help, before hand i couldn't because of people mainly telling me the negatives about it.

 

As for flat out telling if something triggers or is close to it really nothing serious I suppose, just basically small things equaling one huge issue

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I don't mind, and honestly I know how you feel. I'm just now getting to where I'm able to even think about help, before hand i couldn't because of people mainly telling me the negatives about it.

 

As for flat out telling if something triggers or is close to it really nothing serious I suppose, just basically small things equaling one huge issue

Nah, I'm bipolar, and certain types of topics have a tendency to cause mood shifts, and I have to choose whether to continue or not. Not every time. When i notice patterns that lean toward a shift, I tend to back away. I dont like leaving people hanging without a reason, if i have to walk away from a conversation for a bit smile.gif

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I never really thought somethig like this would be on here to be hinest, But it is nice that it is. I guess I can place what has been happening recently with me.

 

So, a whole group of my friends left me because I became friends wih one of their enemies that had changed and explained why she had been rude before. She had apologized for everything but sadly my ex-friends didn't forgive her and left me with the last words of, after I said I was friends with their enemy, "then we have no reason to be friends with you." That got me so upset and I left the group because that just broke me, after explaining my whole life and sharing my secrets, I should have known I was being used. A few days afterwards, which was actually today, I found out one of my friends committed suicide last week while another one of my friends was literally committing suicide by drinking bleach. He promised he would call 911 and I got his boyfriend to call the police too. I don't know what is goig to happen but I am absolutely scared. Now my panic attacks are happening almost on a daily basis and I can barely get up in the morning without feeling useless. I'm so sorry to have to remove part of your post, but accounts of illegal activities are not allowed per board rules. As well, for more serious topics, we ask that you please take it to a professional or someone who is trained to deal with those topics. You can start with a helpline or help forum if you need to work up to telling an authority figure. <3

 

I should also say that I am not a good speller.

 

Please use the edit button in the upper right corner of your post unless it has been a while or you are doing a lot of coding (such as quoting multiple people).

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