Trade/Gift Adults or Frozen Things

[danicast]

I don't see why being needed is a requirement for ANY suggestion.

 

Just because it's not needed doesn't mean it can't be added at some point. We don't need an encyclopedia, but TJ's putting in the effort to put one it.

 

And it won't screw it up for everyone, as there are those who have said they would use it for certain purposes.

 

This isn't attempting to fix anything, but add to the current trading system.

 

I'm just saying, we really don't know how much it will ruin or make better the trade system. I can still see it helping certain areas and ruining others, but it would really have to be done right to get the most benefit.

I totally agree!! Thank you for put in such a well written way, I'm unable to do this.

[edwardelricfreak]

I do have to say that I seriously doubt it will ever get implemented, because there are valid reasons against it and it could easily be done incorrectly.

[Wolfsong442]

I don't see why being needed is a requirement for ANY suggestion.

 

Just because it's not needed doesn't mean it can't be added at some point. We don't need an encyclopedia, but TJ's putting in the effort to put one it.

 

And it won't screw it up for everyone, as there are those who have said they would use it for certain purposes.

 

This isn't attempting to fix anything, but add to the current trading system.

 

I'm just saying, we really don't know how much it will ruin or make better the trade system. I can still see it helping certain areas and ruining others, but it would really have to be done right to get the most benefit.

I'm sorry ^^

 

I have a tendency to word things poorly. I don't mean to come off as a jerk.

 

I'll roll with whatever happens. My main thing is that it'll make the game FAR too easy and the economy will crash because things get boring for most people and they leave.

 

I hope that's a better argument. ;;

[Vhale]

But people also don't have much option to make planned lineages with dragons like golds and silvers because unless you have cb metals or very low gen prizes you can't trade for cb metals. That's kind of a shame because the metals make gorgeous checkers.

Now that you mention it, if this option was put in it would probably help with that. I've bred metal x whatever a couple times and tried traded for the same lineage and almost never been successful. I guess because they are so hard to breed, they suffer from the situation I was trying to describe earlier. The odds that someone else with a CB metal breeding what I need is almost nil. So a BSA or whatever to trade an adult would let me keep that trade open to hopefully someday get the mate I'm looking for.

[danicast]

Call me cynical, but I do trust the players. To ask for and offer ridiculous things for trade. To work to try to gain the biggest advantage for themselves while giving as little as possible for it. To whine and complain if they can't get what they want. To completely skew the trading market in favor of asking for what is impossible.

 

You came after the prize dragons were in the game, danicast. As much as I love the prizes, I must admit that the impact they've had on trading has been huge, and not particularly for the best. The highest tradeable dragon, realistically, used to be a CB gold. The variety of trades and what was asked for in trade used to be much greater than it is. Now the rare trading and metallic threads are completely dominated by prize dragon trading and cb metals. It's extremely hard to aspire to own cb metals because you almost have to cb prizes or some other super rare to hope to get one in trade.

 

There are niche threads, as I said, where you can offer and ask for particular things. Those work well, and likely wouldn't be very adversely affected by trading adults, because those are threads for people looking for very specific things, like Cinnamon's stripes.

 

But people also don't have much option to make planned lineages with dragons like golds and silvers because unless you have cb metals or very low gen prizes you can't trade for cb metals. That's kind of a shame because the metals make gorgeous checkers.

 

--That issue I outlined with the trade threads? That already happens. "Trusting the players" is only going to result in a more extreme version of the same thing. "Controlling" the players is an important part of any game. There have to be clear rules to make the game balanced and enjoyable for all.

I don't know, Fionna, I never had problems to trade to get my shimmers. I have 6 gold shimmers, 22 silver shimmers and 15 bronze shimmers. Only 2 or 3 of them are low gen (and they were gifted to me) but that never bothered me because I like long gens. I got several as gifts, some at gifting threads (like this one, a Jewel descendant), some from friends and some I traded for. I think who have problems are those who wants a 2nd or 3rd gen but they are not the majority of the players. Most players feels happy with long gens. I'm a member in a forum with several players and we always trade dragons, I got several of my shimmers there, for free. (look at this one, it was a gift from my best friend when shimmers were not so popular as they are now). I have also 6 gold tinsels, 10 silver tinsels and 12 bronze tinsels and got all of them as gifts, like this one.

I think the problem is to think about the dragons like if they were commodities and treat them like that. For those who are just interested in have a beautiful dragon with a beautiful line on their scrolls the market value doesn't matter.

 

I'm pro to create some rules but not excessive rules. The market will accomodate, every market does that. And we should enforce that every single dragon is valuable no matter the kind or the line. It's the concept of rarity, of commodity that created the problem and not the possibility to trade.

[JavaTigress]

I don't know, Fionna, I never had problems to trade to get my shimmers. I have 6 gold shimmers, 22 silver shimmers and 15 bronze shimmers. Only 2 or 3 of them are low gen (and they were gifted to me) but that never bothered me because I like long gens. I got several as gifts, some at gifting threads (like this one, a Jewel descendant), some from friends and some I traded for. I think who have problems are those who wants a 2nd or 3rd gen but they are not the majority of the players. Most players feels happy with long gens. I'm a member in a forum with several players and we always trade dragons, I got several of my shimmers there, for free. (look at  this one, it was a gift from my best friend when shimmers were not so popular as they are now). I have also 6 gold tinsels, 10 silver tinsels and 12 bronze tinsels and got all of them as gifts, like this one.

I think the problem is to think about the dragons like if they were commodities and treat them like that. For those who are just interested in have a beautiful dragon with a beautiful line on their scrolls the market value doesn't matter.

 

I'm pro to create some rules but not excessive rules. The market will accomodate, every market does that. And we should enforce that every single dragon is valuable no matter the kind or the line. It's the concept of rarity, of commodity that created the problem and not the possibility to trade.

There certainly is truth in what you are saying, there, Danicast.

 

For the most part, I would have to agree with you... with a caution. I will say that, for the most part, IF I can have a dragon that I like with a pretty lineage, I am happy, and it doesn't need to be 'low-gen' or CB. You can look at my scroll and find that this is true. I have a collection of shimmers, silvers and golds... no CBs among the metals and not one 2nd gen to be found among my shimmers. That wasn't important at the time and still isn't. My Heartseeker that I caught this last Valentines has a messy Dorkface lineage.... but he is the only one of his breed that I have and he has a place on my scroll none the less. Not that there is anything WRONG with CBs either. ( I like to collect CB pairs of my commons) The real issue is that once you have the idea that something is rare, it can be hard NOT to imagine what you can get for it. This is a trap I ran into myself with the avatars. Fortunately someone talked some sense into me and told me I should keep some pretties for myself and forget about the 'market value' for a while. It can be sort of an insidious thing, unfortunately. That said, it is also true that some people just plain like the idea of having something rare. For people like that, a dragon ONLY has value in so far as the market value of the thing... so they want the rarest of everything the can get, simply because it is hard to obtain. I think THAT is part of the lure with things like Zombies and Neglecteds, honestly.

 

Sad but... that is the way it is, and any possibility of trade has to take that fact into account.

Edited June 14, 2014 by Silverswift

[DarkEternity]

Harrassment: Don't care, it happens anyway. People settle for 2gs and would be more than happy to switch to CBs. It's always the same people asking.

Trade Market: Improved for older players, reduced for newer players with regards to armies of commons and the like.

 

It's probably already that way but the impact's reduced by the low value of 2gs and such.

 

However, the wealth is consumable with regards to old holiday CBs and CB shimmers, etc. The instant someone trades off those dragons they're done. Nothing more for them. It's one use.

 

Besides the problems coming from Prize dragons and the retired likes is just because they're unobtainable. Trading would only add to the problem and is not the cause of the actual problem itself.

 

Multi scrolling: Kind of encouraged for farming.

Implementing: Dunno.

Release dragons: Probably helps.

Edited June 14, 2014 by DarkEternity

[Fuzzbucket]

Call me cynical, but I do trust the players. To ask for and offer ridiculous things for trade. To work to try to gain the biggest advantage for themselves while giving as little as possible for it. To whine and complain if they can't get what they want. To completely skew the trading market in favor of asking for what is impossible.

 

You came after the prize dragons were in the game, danicast. As much as I love the prizes, I must admit that the impact they've had on trading has been huge, and not particularly for the best. The highest tradeable dragon, realistically, used to be a CB gold. The variety of trades and what was asked for in trade used to be much greater than it is. Now the rare trading and metallic threads are completely dominated by prize dragon trading and cb metals. It's extremely hard to aspire to own cb metals because you almost have to cb prizes or some other super rare to hope to get one in trade.

 

There are niche threads, as I said, where you can offer and ask for particular things. Those work well, and likely wouldn't be very adversely affected by trading adults, because those are threads for people looking for very specific things, like Cinnamon's stripes.

 

But people also don't have much option to make planned lineages with dragons like golds and silvers because unless you have cb metals or very low gen prizes you can't trade for cb metals. That's kind of a shame because the metals make gorgeous checkers.

 

--That issue I outlined with the trade threads? That already happens. "Trusting the players" is only going to result in a more extreme version of the same thing. "Controlling" the players is an important part of any game. There have to be clear rules to make the game balanced and enjoyable for all.

I am totally with Fi here. You only need to look at the even gen trading thread (the one I use most) where people USED to be able to trade pretty, common-ish EGs. Now it's all "want low gen shimmer or CB gold".

 

I've not managed to trade even really lovely EG checkers there in months now - it has seriously impacted on my lineage building. And people can AND DO manage to cheat on trades.

 

And many of us DO NOT feel it would be "fun". Just because you do, danicast, doesn't mean it feels the same for everyone. Is it fun for you to go sing Palestrina masses on a Wednesday night ? It is for me !

[lilacamy931]

Morning everyone Just a further two cents from me regarding restrictions and controlling players..we have those already in place on everything (ie: number of GONs or new holiday releases we can have, number of hatchling/eggs we can send via teleports, cooldown periods) so with anything added to DC there is always some sort of restriction in place for everyone whether it be large or small (some you would not even notice).

 

Also that from examples I saw about other games trading adults, those appear to have restrictions too (I think I saw certain types had different grading values). Probably because they thought about the market and sustainability before releasing to players.

 

With people's views on trust. The majority will be fab and trustworthy for the most part, but it can't be 100% since there are those that break the rules all the time. In short multiscrolling (do not wish to harp on this but it is the easiest example of dishonesty), biggest example of this is 3 CB Prize dragons rest on burnt scrolls because of it. Should it stop an idea entirely? No. It should be considered though.

 

I go with changes, some take more getting used to than others, but they need to be well implemented with thought out plans and what the repercussions could be. If we know what we are trying to achieve for players, let's ensure it goes smoothly and what possibilities could occur to limit damage if need be.

 

 

[Fiona]

You only need to look at the even gen trading thread (the one I use most) where people USED to be able to trade pretty, common-ish EGs. Now it's all "want low gen shimmer or CB gold".

To be honest, that thread was never intended as a general trade thread. It's supposed to be a niche thread where people who love even gens can go get help to keep their projects going. Even gens can be a huge commitment in time and dragons because of how the lineages are constructed. I don't know if going in on the project account would help get the thread back on track or not. It's not supposed to be about "I got this rare even gen. Gimme all the rares."

 

However, trading for even gens is the reason this topic is getting any tentative support from me. The whole idea of trading adults makes me nervous and I see it as full of pitfalls.

[Cinnamin Draconna]

I totally agree on needing restrictions. While I feel the majority of the playerbase are good folk, there are always rotten apples in every bunch. Having been the victim of said rotten apples on a few occasions, I have absolutely NO problem with putting restrictions or limits in place to protect everyone.

 

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea that was originally posted by Fiona Bluefire.

I'm uncertain about metals (golds, silvers and the less rare coppers) but I'd say anything that can normally be caught in the cave should be ok. Also, normally bred hybrids. I'm not enthused about Avatars bbeing traded, but definitely no trading GoN (which I'm sure you couldn't anyway.) And no trading Leetle Trees either.

 

However, I think Golds, Silvers, and anthing that actually drops should be allowed along with the breed only color variants like Stripes, ALT Blacks and ALT Vines. But excluding hybrids like the Avatars, Hellhorses, etc.

[KageSora]

Honestly, I still fail to see how this is an "improvement" to the game. To me, it's NOT an improvement.

 

Those in favor of trading adults view it as an improvement, we who are opposed do not. It being an improvement is not fact, it is subjective, and the amount of attempting to claim it's 100% guaranteed to improve the game that I'v seen in this thread is, honestly, rather saddening.

 

You can want something that's not necessarily an improvement overall even if it would boost your personal enjoyment of the game.

 

Something that would boost my personal enjoyment of the game would be if any and all records of parentage were removed from dragons and all dragons were 100% identical. A gold would be a gold would be a gold no matter if it was technically a 3rd gen stair step, a CB, or a 42nd gen inbred mess, since you'd have no way to tell. That would be great for me, since I personally hate how lineages impact trading.

 

However, that would not be an overall improvement to the game--it would be catastrophic for many players. So, while I personally would enjoy such a change it would be utterly ridiculous of me to insist that it would be a 100% positive change to the game that nobody should be against because it's an amazing and wonderful idea.

 

 

To me, the idea of trading adults is a similar thing--you would get your personal enjoyment out of it, but it would change a fundamental part of the game for me, and NOT in a positive way.

 

It would need a large number of restrictions to even be considered passable in my eyes, personally.

[Guillotine]

I'm not sure why bred hybrids would be a problem with adult trading? I mean, I personally count all dragons obtained through the raffle as a non-capitalized prize of sorts (and thus untradeable), and the vast majority of hybrids are, at worst, uncommon. The Avatars are a bit of an issue right now, but they're a very recent release, are spreading quite well (given their rarity) and given a few months the demand will probably become more reasonable.

 

Perhaps a time limit on trade duration would also be worthwhile?

 

Anyway, a list of current proposed restrictions that haven't been retracted by the people who suggested them:

 

- No CB Holidays/raffle prizes/untradeables/discontinueds

- Adults can only be traded for adults

- Numerical limit on amount offered

- Named/described dragons cannot be traded

- Hybrids also cannot be traded

 

I may have missed something; my brain's a bit sluggish right now.

[Dolphinsong]

Why are hybrids not allowed? Some of us limit the number of each breed we collect and some do lifemates with their dragons as well. How are those of us with such self restrictions are to get certain hybrids if we cannot trade for them? I got my Soulpeace dragons through trade, restricting adult hybrid trades is unfair as hatchlings aren't restricted

[edwardelricfreak]

I personally think hybrids and discontinueds fine for trading.

 

Why discontinued dragons? Because that would be the only way to get them at this current point in time, and as it stands, it's highly likely we're going to get Frills back anyway, so only Bright Pinks would be normally unavailable. Prizes (including HMs) would definitely not be tradeable, but bred stuff is fine. CB holidays are meant to be only given out for those holidays, so that's why they wouldn't be able to be traded, but bred ones are fine.

 

But why are hybrids restricted? Unless they're CB HM hybrids, I don't see why they should be limited.

 

I like adults for adults, though. And just like hatchlings can't be traded if names, it makes sense for adults to be the same way. Descriptions make sense, too.

 

If Frills and BPs are restricted, though, I wouldn't mind. I just don't think they should be. I've known several other sites where they have retired/discontinued pets that can still be traded (course usually everything can be traded, but whatever). I just kinda think they should be allowed. It would allow those without them to get them. Because with the other dragons, you can still get them, even if only bred ones. But there's no way to get the retired dragons now except through HM prizes, so I think it would be okay to allow them to be traded. Yes they might be expensive, but personally I would be fine with that.

 

GoNs, of course, would still not be tradeable. c:

[Obscure_Trash]

Hooboy, seven pages while I was away. Lesse how long this reply turns out.

 

I have many thoughts and many things I want to address. First and foremost I will say that I am not really fond of this idea. It just... I feel like it opens a can of worms that I just do not want to deal with. I am having a hard time pinning down why, but I do have some reservations concerning a few things - which I will get to - so I am not going to give this a solid yes or no, but just know that my preference is to not add this to the game.

 

Change

Not supporting because I'm afraid of change? Hm, maybe. But this is something that is on my mind every single suggestion. Humans dislike change. We do. It's scary and most of us have lots of problems with it. In meat space, I do have to really be prepared for big change or I will likely not react well right away. But I don't think that's what it is for this suggestion. People are allowed to dislike suggestions. It doesn't always boil down to just "fear of change". People are allowed to dislike suggestions, even if others like them. =o

So it is possible that some of my reservations come from a hesitancy towards change, but especially after reading some of the arguments for and against this, I do have worries and concerns how this would work.

 

Growing Dragons

Eeh, I'm not sure I'm on the "but the point of this game is to raise dragons" side of the fence, either. I can get incu-hatchable or near-incu-hatchable eggs from the AP. I certainly didn't care for them the full time they were alive. I can get hatchlings from the AP. I certainly didn't care for them the full time they were alive. I can trade for low-time eggs and even hatchlings. I can be gifted these things. People have, when necessary, offered to hatch dragons for me before giving them to me (due to absences or such). I certainly haven't done the majority of work in raising those dragons. If I grab some dragons and realize I'm leaving, I can get a kind scroll-sitter to help add and remove my dragons from fansites. I may or may not be the one putting the work into raising these dragons. There are ways now to "get around" "raising" dragons and we don't call those cheating or unfair. In fact, we enjoy getting these dragons that we have less time to wait until they grow up. So I don't really agree with the reasoning of this argument, personally.

 

Harassment

We cannot possibly know the actual outcome of this unless this actually happens, so any post on this is speculation and I think it is important to keep this in mind.

I personally do not think this would encourage more harassment. We have people now who, even after having it explained to them MULTIPLE times that adult dragons cannot be traded by any means, still harass people for their adult dragons. Even after multiple suspensions, the only thing we can do is either ban them altogether or get TJ to disable their ability to PM others. Harassers are going to harass one way or another. We do our best to discourage this behavior and it absolutely comes with consequences (but you have to report it to us for us to be able to take care of it!). If someone wants a dragon and they don't care about respecting others, they are already going to be harassing users. I do not think this would drastically change much, but I can see the points of those who think it would. However, I don't know that this is a reason to particularly not support this suggestion.

 

Multi-Scrolling

We cannot possibly know the actual outcome of this unless this actually happens, so any post on this is speculation and I think it is important to keep this in mind.

Again, I have to disagree that this would encourage multi-scrolling. I do think it would change things for those that already multi (now if an adult isn't transferred to the account they want it on in time, they can still move it over), but I don't think it would particularly encourage multi'ing to occur more. The problem with multi'ing now is that there are so many multi's and it's all on TJ. And people will do anything to argue for their scrolls back. They can have fifty scrolls that are obvious multis, they can have admitted multi'ing to another user, and still have the gall to PM if their scrolls get burned and complain "me and my 49 cousins are wondering why our scrolls were burned this is clearly a mistake! D:" I think the problem with multi'scrolling is coming up with a better way to handle it, not that this suggestion would encourage it.

 

Mechanics

Limits of how many you can teleport at once: You can only teleport four dragons at once now as it is, so I don't see why this limit wouldn't also apply with adults? You are then limited by how many magi dragons you have.

"Cooldown limit": I'm not even sure what this is applying to/what it means. I did just read through all seven pages, so I'm not even sure where I missed what this means. Could someone explain?

Age limit for how long adults can be teleported: I wouldn't see a point in this. There's no "you can't teleport low time dragons" rule, so why something for adults? If a short limit is put in place, seems to me, it just kinda defeats the purpose of making adults tradeable.

Dragons you can trade: I agree frozen hatchlings make sense to go with adults. I think if a dragon can't be abandoned/killed/released, then it shouldn't be tradeable (ie GoNs and leetle trees). If someone traded a spriter alt, I should think it should turn non-alt on the next scroll. I know there was discussion on it being scroll coded or not and not every (Halloween) dragon on a scroll is an alt, but has anyone traded or abandoned their holiday (perhaps in exchange for lower time ones or if someone offered a cool code or something?). I think it would be too hard to specify +this coded dragon +on this scroll be an alt rather than just "this dragon with this code is an alt".

Only trading adults for other adults: This would be the only restriction I'd agree to, but I'm not sure it's entirely necessary either and not sure what it goes towards preventing/if it would really work for what people want to prevent.

 

Other Games

I really don't care for comparisons to other games. For one, we are not talking about other games. We are talking about DC. What matters is how would this affect DC and do we want or not want this? For two, games are all pretty unique. Other games where you can trade adults are different: some games each breed is effectively "retired" after each month and if you couldn't trade adults, there'd be no other way to get those creatures. Some games have a lot more customization than DC - they offer standard adult creatures but then people can color their own adults, which makes adults unique (in a different way - I know we have unique lineages here). Many other games have a system of currency that you buy with meat space money. They have a totally different set-up and trade market, so they have different considerations in making adults tradeable.

 

Trade Market

We cannot possibly know the actual outcome of this unless this actually happens, so any post on this is speculation and I think it is important to keep this in mind.

 

This is the big one. For me, anyway (and it seems like most everyone agrees this is where the main discussion is at?)

 

Pros:

-You can trade adults if you want.

-Might improve the trade market (see below for expanded discussion on possible changes).

 

Cons:

-People already think the trade market and DC's economy is messed up and needs fixed up and this has potential to negatively impact the market even further. (I personally agree - I can only ever get things if I over offer. I can never get what I think are even trades. I do think a trade is fair if both people are getting what they want, but that doesn't always mean things are even or that you shouldn't have been able to make a different/better trade. I couldn't even get a lineage swap for a second gen gold from tan ridgewing. I kept the egg until it was low time. I think I even ended up influencing and hatching it and offered the hatchling for an egg. I got no bites until the sweetest user gave me a gendered caveborn gold hatchling to trade for and then I finally got an offer for what I was asking. I know people are all working on different lineages, but yeouch. If I hadn't been trading in order to gift that gold to another user, I wouldn't have bothered.)

So what could this do?

Well, it's hard to say.

People are generous now, so no reason to think they wouldn't still be generous with adults. However, just because people are plenty generous doesn't mean that there isn't still a trade market and not just a gifting "market" and we need to keep that in mind.

Discontinueds for one - would they go for a lot? I'm sure, yes. BUT these dragons are limited. How many of their discontinueds are people going to be willing to change since they will not be able to grab more? People cannot trade dragons they do not have.

Are we going to see the trade market flooded with even more shimmers and tinsels and only tinsels and shimmers (as an example)? (I think we're all a little tired of seeing the same things in trade but sometimes you're looking for what you're looking for and that can't be changed.) Or will we see new breeds being offered?

How is this going to change egg and hatchling trades if people only want to ask for adults in return? If they do not get adults in return, will this fix itself? People do not always ask for hatchlings now, so will they even always ask for adults?

Is being able to trade adults going to allow people to actually get what they're looking for? If you can't find it as an egg/hatchling, will it be easier to find as an adult? (I did see some posts about people who knew they were doing the same lineage and could therefore swap refusals and such with each other, but if you're not doing a group lineage or don't know others doing the same lineage, trading may not be any easier. This problem may also be solved by one of the suggestions on how to re-try refused dragons or getting rid of refusals.)

 

tl;dr There's a lot of unknowns in this. I do not do a lot of trading now because it's so hard - even common lineage swaps are near impossible for me and I always have to overoffer to get anything I want - so trading adults may make things a little better, do nothing, or a little worse but I doubt it will make me more interested in trading. I personally do not like this suggestion but due to all the uncertainty I see in this, I am not giving a solid or strong yes or no vote on this.

[edwardelricfreak]

Socky your post basically describes all of my feelings.

[Vankier]

Oh dear, I didn't expect this much to happen.

 

Sockpuppet really summed things up, I respect everyone's opinions however, I do see this as a positive change if it were to happen, I can understand why some would see it as a major game change. I just always thought that if we could trade adults the game would be better. Unfortunately I only recently discovered there was a forum here, so I couldn't voice this sooner.

[lilacamy931]

Sock you have summarised everything really well After all the elaboration my preference would still be not to have this at all. If it ever was made as a change I will simply prepare a "My adult dragons are not tradeable" line in siggy

 

Vankier it is not a bad thing at all, it is a hot topic and as it would make some change to the game - everyone wants some input in it

[Brite]

The only input I can give is, what about abandoned scrolls? What if someone throws their towel in and quits and actually is okay with someone taking their dragons (because you can't have multiple scrolls) so they don't sit on a scroll, especially if they're nice generation dragons and rare dragons, maybe their can be some kind of give away or drawing to others who want them? But that's ONLY if the player truly wants to quit, kind of like signing something so they can't go back on it.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

Eh. While it would make the game easier in some ways (wouldn't have to worry about finding a trade before a rare dragon grew up, could trade rares en mass for better rares), at least to me there's a certain comfort in knowing what's done is done. As disappointing as it is to not find a good trade in time or not win the raffle, at least I can relax and say "oh well, that's that" instead of feeling driven to spend all my time looking to trade those now adults / trade for CB Prizes somehow.

[edwardelricfreak]

It probably wouldn't be too hard to basically raise "junk dragons" that you wouldn't mind exchanging for dragons owned by someone who's wanting to leave. So even if you absolutely have to trade 1:1, it would be easy enough to get some adults you really don't care about losing, I think.

[HeatherMarie]

The only input I can give is, what about abandoned scrolls? What if someone throws their towel in and quits and actually is okay with someone taking their dragons (because you can't have multiple scrolls) so they don't sit on a scroll, especially if they're nice generation dragons and rare dragons, maybe their can be some kind of give away or drawing to others who want them? But that's ONLY if the player truly wants to quit, kind of like signing something so they can't go back on it.

I'm not really sure what the issue is here. Is this a point for or against this suggestion? I'd think that, IF this suggestion was put in place, then someone who wants to abandon their scroll could easily gift away all their adults. Or did someone mention a trading-not-gifting rule that I didn't see? Dummy trades are always a possibility, then.

 

(I've been on the "no" side this entire time until I realized that I could totally trade my CB adults for stuff I actually want, and now I'm... I'm not sure.)

Edited June 19, 2014 by Marie19R

[Brite]

I'm not really sure what the issue is here. Is this a point for or against this suggestion? I'd think that, IF this suggestion was put in place, then someone who wants to abandon their scroll could easily gift away all their adults. Or did someone mention a trading-not-gifting rule that I didn't see? Dummy trades are always a possibility, then.

 

(I've been on the "no" side this entire time until I realized that I could totally trade my CB adults for stuff I actually want, and now I'm... I'm not sure.)

I guess it belongs in an entirely new topic but I personally wouldn't want to trade adults, but this other issue has been in the back of my mind with dragons in abandoned 100% inactive scrolls. There are several CB prizes that are now completely useless in breeding because the owners are gone for good. What if we were to have special gifting threads and post abandoned scrolls and people can enter in a lotto/drawing/random contest for dragons they want.

[Imzadi]

I guess it belongs in an entirely new topic but I personally wouldn't want to trade adults, but this other issue has been in the back of my mind with dragons in abandoned 100% inactive scrolls. There are several CB prizes that are now completely useless in breeding because the owners are gone for good. What if we were to have special gifting threads and post abandoned scrolls and people can enter in a lotto/drawing/random contest for dragons they want.

There are people who quit and come back, even after a couple of years. They would no doubt be displeased to find their dragons gone. And if they are not here, they can't be contacted to ask if they mind having their dragons wander off.

Edited June 20, 2014 by ainisarie