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2014-04-05 - Monthly Release Notice

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The new time means eggs will be dropping at 6pm for me. MUCH better than 5am, when drops used to take place. biggrin.gif

 

It would have been nice to have some advance notice, so I didn't have to set the alarm to get up at 4.50 am this morning. It's always been hard to get up at that time. But I just went back to bed for a few hours.

 

Thanks TJ biggrin.gif

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I wish people would not characterize all the posts by those who are unhappy with the change as "whining." The posters are expressing their opinions, and telling how the change affects them. The vast majority are doing so in a respectful way. Everyone should have a right to say how they feel, even if those feelings are negative.

Thank you for pointing that out. This is one of the things that I truly hate about this site. If anyone dares to post an objection to anything at all, their opinion/concern is immediately devalued and see as childlsh. To me, the ones who label legitimate complaints as 'whining' are the ones being the children, because they can't accept that people will have different opinions so they wish to suppress them.

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It won't be just after a maintenance, rather about 10 hours later. Doubt it will have much effect on the lag, etc. that people are worried about.

 

People aren't concerned they may have to wait a few hours to get an egg, people are worried that due to other commitments they may not be able to even get online for 10-12 hours or more. For those of us with slow connections that can mean not being able to get rare eggs for months, not just a few hours or days.

of course there will be lag...

pay a second to how many people are actually online at the moment the release pops up..

even if you do it straight after the maintenance there'll be lag if only for the sole fact that it'll shoot up from like 200 people online to 600 people online (tho it's easier hitting up more cause I think we've seen it be 800 something once already)

 

and if you have a slow connection or other obligations on that day, would it really matter that much if you have it a few hours earlier? I mean, get up an hour earlier the next day.. problem solved... you won't hear me complain, by the time the release hits cave I'll be OMW home and then I need to go to bed cause I have to get up at 5.30am to go to work only to get home at 5.15pm meaning I'm about 100% sure to miss the release... will I hate it? no cause people will breed the eggs and I'll just grab one from the abandoned pile so the cave won't get blocked PLUS those poor babies don't need to die smile.gif

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I think it would be beneficial if we rotated the times throughout each release. Clearly it would benefit some people at midnight and others at another time.

Well, the point of a set time for each new release was to allow people to be able to know for sure when there would be a new release and avoid confusion (which, admittedly, has been a hit and miss thing). The only way I can think of that it wouldn't be hugely confusing to change up release times would be to either go simple and split it in two: do it on noon cavetime on month and then midnight cave time the next. Or to try to accommodate a much broader group: have the hour of the release correspond to the month - so a January release would happen at 1pm cavetime, a February release would happen at 2pm, etc, all the way until December/midnight.

 

Either way, if the release times end up being varied, then I think we'd need an in-cave clock (one with just the hour and AM/PM, because I get why one with minutes and seconds would be problematic).

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It would have been nice to have some advance notice,

 

This! This so much. smile.gif

 

Normally, I try to stay up until the 'drop' - that's six in the morning for me. I'm very nocturnal so that's my usual modus operandi on release weekends, since it's easier to stay up three more hours than I otherwise would than it is to try and get up early, but it's still far from a piece of cake.

 

But! Last night I was so exhausted that I decided I'd just skip over the first drop and hope they're not extinct after a few hours, so I got lucky with this announcement. happy.gif Still, that's what it is - lucky. I can see there are others who've set alarms, for example.

 

A bit more notice could make all the difference for the mood, I think. Even make it just half a day, not a full 24 hours, and I think you'd reach a lot of your most dedicated users around the globe in time to prevent frustrations. smile.gif

 

With all that said: I'm curious how the experiment will work out! It's certainly interesting to shake things up a little.

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Thank you for pointing that out. This is one of the things that I truly hate about this site. If anyone dares to post an objection to anything at all, their opinion/concern is immediately devalued and see as childlsh. To me, the ones who label legitimate complaints as 'whining' are the ones being the children, because they can't accept that people will have different opinions so they wish to suppress them.

Exactly.

 

So it will be like 7 p.m. for me and millions of users online and trying to get the eggs. Great! mad.gif I can forget about the new release. Getting up at 6 a.m. was a pain but at least I could get the new eggs.

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All I'm hoping right now is that the release will be like the last one where the new eggs was all you could see in the cave for a while. Otherwise this might be a little troublesome.

 

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Well, the point of a set time for each new release was to allow people to be able to know for sure when there would be a new release and avoid confusion (which, admittedly, has been a hit and miss thing). The only way I can think of that it wouldn't be hugely confusing to change up release times would be to either go simple and split it in two: do it on noon cavetime on month and then midnight cave time the next. Or to try to accommodate a much broader group: have the hour of the release correspond to the month - so a January release would happen at 1pm cavetime, a February release would happen at 2pm, etc, all the way until December/midnight.

 

Either way, if the release times end up being varied, then I think we'd need an in-cave clock (one with just the hour and AM/PM, because I get why one with minutes and seconds would be problematic).

I had both of those options in mind. smile.gif

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Well, instead of catching new eggs I spent the time scheduled for that reading through 15 pages of feedback.

Positive thing: Most people didn't just "whine" or rant, they actually gave their opinion. I have seen many a news thread that went a lot worse.

Now on to my personal comment...

 

Time of Announcement:

Whatever may or may not be a good time for a release - it would really be better to get announcements like this more ahead of time. A few days at least. (And even if that doesn't work, just have the mercy to post early enough on the day before so that people in timezones +x are still there to read it before going to bed).

Of course this point is moot when the thing in question happens too spontaneaoulsy for that. In that case please just say so - it might not make people happier about what's happening, but it won't add the unhappiness about being treated without consideration.

 

Time of Release:

 

- If all realeases are going to work like the last one (at least 24 hours of unmixed drops for every breed) - just set any release time you like ! (Because whatever the time is, there will always be people who can't be there for the initial drop. But at least everyone can be sure to get an egg.)

 

- The situation is a different one if drops go back to the older pattern, where after about 6 to 12 hours the chances of getting a new egg are slim to none. (And I won't elaborate on drops like the darned Blusangs, that were gone after a few hours, and didn't show up in any frequency worth mentioning ever after... They'll stay the negative exception, I hope.)

As some people explained above, moving the realease to Sunday afternoon cavetime will push a good deal of those first 12 hours into the late evening/night before monday for many users (rendering it useless). And will greatly highten the competition for the first hours of the window. That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

 

And my personal point of view (not that relevant, but it wants out wink.gif :

 

Midnight was perfect for me. I don't even want to compete in the initial drop (have no fun clicking on a hundred eggs, just to see I didn't get them). So when I get up here in Europe after sleeping in a little on a Sunday, the drop has been going on for about 3 to 4 hours. The craziness of the start has ebbed a little, but the eggs are still dropping quite steadily (if they aren't, well, Blusangs). I can catch for an hour or two, usually get my eggs before noon, and have the rest of the day to do real life stuff.

With the new time I have to plan all my activities so they end around 7 pm, then throw myself into a fight that will get worse rather than better during the first hours (because people in the US are getting in after lunch instead of getting off to go to bed), and if I don't get the eggs in a reasonable amount of time will have to give up and go to bed (because I have to work the next day). Knowing that after 7 more hours in which I slept, the steady drop window will be closed for good.

Or I don't do all that (except the sleeping thing), and don't even try for the new dragons at all.

 

Of course, as someome else said, there are a lot of things more important in life. And I won't feel unhappy and cheated and whatnot all day because I didn't get some pixel dragons. But I like playing DC. And getting new dragons is part of the game. And if you like a thing, it will influence your mood if it doesn't go as you'd like it to. I think that's a completely normal human reaction, as long as it doesn't get blown out of proportion. So - in the context of playing DC, I will be less happy with the change of release time than I would be without it.

 

That said:

 

TJ is the Grinch of dragon releases. The last release was so smooth and easy, and everyone was so happy about it and praised TJ - he just couldn't stand it ! So he threw this, just to rile us up and enjoy watching us struggle and rant about him !

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- If all realeases are going to work like the last one (at least 24 hours of unmixed drops for every breed) - just set any release time you like ! (Because whatever the time is, there will always be people who can't be there for the initial drop. But at least everyone can be sure to get an egg.)

I'd rather not that.

 

I liked the "midnight cave time" because that allowed for the greatest chance to get a "Day 1" dated egg. Which, to some of us, are more valuable than an egg picked up sometime after the first day.

 

If the initial release is later in the day, it results in more people competing for less possible chances at a "Day 1" egg.

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AGUHHHHH!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

OH nooooooooooo! :'(

I'm gonna be totally busy tomorrow to be checking so early. Darn! ... I have no clue what time It'll be for me now... *shrugs* It's already 2--gonna be 3am for me and I hafta sleep.... I'm so lost on what it'll be DC time now...

*sigh*

What a drag.......

 

but I guess.... thanks for the new release anyways, Tj.......

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I had both of those options in mind. smile.gif

Well then, we're either birds of a feather flocking together or great minds thinking alike. I vote for the "great minds" theory! smile.gif

 

We could actually probably vary the times with a good deal of success if we had an in-cave clock that had some kind of countdown under it to new releases. True, that would mean more people would show up for the start of them, but since that's the point of this time change made today, it seems like that would be in keeping with that intention.

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I'd rather not that.

 

I liked the "midnight cave time" because that allowed for the greatest chance to get a "Day 1" dated egg.  Which, to some of us, are more valuable than an egg picked up sometime after the first day.

 

If the initial release is later in the day, it results in more people competing for less possible chances at a "Day 1" egg.

Hm, I see your point, there.

But I think (although I confess it's more like guessing) that the knowledge of a guaranteed 24 hour pure drop would remove enough competition on "day 1", because many people are only that anxious to grab eggs in the first few hours because they dread to come up empty handed later.

Depends, of course, on how many people really value the date... But I wouldn't expect it to be so many that it couldn't be balanced by the other thing.

 

Edit to add: And technically, all eggs with a date from both "release days" should still be more valuable than eggs picked up sometime later, if you differ by "came with the release" and "spawned in the cave later". So I'd expect the "real" collectors wanting an egg from each day of the release... wink.gif

Edited by Lantean_Pegasus

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I usually missed the new releases and have been online when everything was almost over, when the drops of new eggs started to come rarely, mingling with the 'old' eggs, which meant it was almost impossible for me to get new eggs. To me new releases were frustrating and took a whole lot of fun from playing the game (and I've been here since 2009). If it hadn't been for a friend of mine to catch some new eggs from past releases for me I wouldn't have had any.

 

The best solution for releases would be - in my opinion - to have a mass or at least a continuing drop throughout the whole day, so that everyone has a chance to get his or her share of eggs no matter in which time zone he or she lives. Like it was last time. I liked that. I missed the release again but it didn't matter cos in the biome the eggs where dropped there were lots. I collected my share - and here it was me catching them rather than my friend doing it for me - and was happy. For the first time in a whole lot of releases.

 

If I like the change in time for the upcoming release, I'm not sure. I'll find out and will voice my conclusion later.

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Let's make a difference on whining and not-whining:

 

Whining: hey, there is a GP F1 in Bahrain I want to watch and release will start in just the middle of it! That's not fair!

 

Not Whining: hey, the release will start just on the middle of my bedtime, I have to work on Monday!

 

I think the difference is quite clear.

 

Having this clear, there is a GP F1 in Bahrain... tongue.gif

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...Having this clear, there is a GP F1 in Bahrain... tongue.gif

which I will be watching even if the release is at the same time biggrin.gif

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if ur in the UK like me it actually works out alot.png better as i've always had to wait until I get home from work. But as they always drop for 24 hours it shouldn't make a difference to anyone. You don't gain anything by getting them early it just means you can avoid the rush biggrin.gif surely half the fun is trying to catch them (unless it is too hard), and if we just drop loads of them all day, for me takes away some of the point.

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This is also going to be problematic to those who like to catch during the afternoon of a release to avoid the insanity that always occurs at the start. I know many wait so they don't have to fight for their eggs. Now those poor folks are going to be caught up in the storm or they will have to shift their play style to later in the night. That might not be a big problem for some, but since it's pushing the release into Monday (school and work day), it could for many others.

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But as they always drop for 24 hours it shouldn't make a difference to anyone. You don't gain anything by getting them early it just means you can avoid the rush biggrin.gif

The problem is that some of the drops that dropped fairly recently mixed within a couple of hours, to the point that if you didn't get them immediately, you had to hunt weeks or months.

 

If I trusted that they will drop pure for 24 hours, then I couldn't care less when the drop started. As it is, I try and grab as many as possible straight off because otherwise I don't know if I'll get them at all.

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The problem is that some of the drops that dropped fairly recently mixed within a couple of hours, to the point that if you didn't get them immediately, you had to hunt weeks or months.

 

If I trusted that they will drop pure for 24 hours, then I couldn't care less when the drop started. As it is, I try and grab as many as possible straight off because otherwise I don't know if I'll get them at all.

From what I have read, I believe a lot of people feel this way.

 

If we knew we would have 24 hours without any other eggs dropping I really believe fewer people would be unhappy.

 

As I've said I don't like the change for various reasons, but if I knew that I could get up tomorrow morning and still have a good chance of getting new eggs because there were no non-new eggs dropping, I'd be more resigned to the change.

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Well, I've been reading through a lot of posts since my earlier post, but my opinion hasn't really changed since. Although the delayed drop means I'll have to do some egg catching around dinnertime here in the Netherlands, I'm inclined to think positive.

With the last release I remember we had a 24-hour drop with ONLY Fever Wyverns and Brutes. I think the drop was even longer than 24 hours, but I'm not too sure about that. I remember seeing completely empy biomes for hours and hours besides the drop of the new dragons.

Granted, a 24-hour (or longer) drop won't guarantee anything, but I can imagine TJ might up the drop (drop more dragons at once so that more people can get them) since he's doing a release on a time when the cave is busier than around midnight cavetime. But hey, that's just my imagination smile.gif

 

Last time I was able to catch a full round of the wyverns and the Brutes and then some more when my first batch had hatched. And it was very easy to catch them. Granted, I have no idea how it'll be if this new release would be a rare release, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

However it turns out, so far I'm positive.

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The problem is that some of the drops that dropped fairly recently mixed within a couple of hours, to the point that if you didn't get them immediately, you had to hunt weeks or months.

 

If I trusted that they will drop pure for 24 hours, then I couldn't care less when the drop started. As it is, I try and grab as many as possible straight off because otherwise I don't know if I'll get them at all.

Which has been my problem for the past releases except the last. When I got online they had already started to mix. If the new releases would drop longer on the very first day then there would be no need in changing the starting time for a new release.

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Went back to bed, now up lovely coffee. Told myself don't go catching, end up with a reddish gleam rolleyes.gif

 

Having had a rethink and reading of the rest of thread, a lot of us are creatures of habit and think it boils down to something like this:

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I had been thinking also maybe TJ is sick of staying up so late/RL and maybe also trying a change is the only way to see if the old way is the correct one to stick to. Hopefully *fingers crossed* it will be 24 hour release no mixers so whilst there is the initial rush on release it will quieten and everyone will get a chance.

 

I also have faith in the community, everyone always pulls through for each other and always see hard to get eggs being offered to those that can not catch them.

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Which has been my problem for the past releases except the last. When I got online they had already started to mix. If the new releases would drop longer on the very first day then there would be no need in changing the starting time for a new release.

Problem is for many people there was no need in the first place.

 

For me the time now is worse. Much worse. And what's even more worse is that there was no announcement in any way shape or form to prepare for this sudden change.

 

IF (and this is a big IF) there were 100% new egg drops during the first 24 hours everyone would have a fair chance regardless where they live and what school/work hours they may have.

 

People will be locked if they max out on eggs so I don't see any problem with some people hogging the new releases as everyone can only get 7 eggs at maximum ( and many even less than 7).

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