Unfreezing

[angelicdragonpuppy]

@bbik: maybe things could just be frozen again? It sounds silly, but in practice it'd be useful for those cases and really couldn't do any harm.

[HeatherMarie]

There are a vast number of restrictions already suggested, and it seems to me that a limitation to hatchies Frozen over a year previous and a maximum of one dispelling a month per scroll ought to be sufficient in this area...

Very very very much agree with this.

 

I see no need to make things even more complicated with even more restrictions or possibility of dead hatchlings etc etc. There are already MORE then enough limits and restrictions on this suggestion to satisfy pretty much any possible opposition, if people would really try to understand what we are saying and the multitude of limits imposed and how that would effect and negate any possible abuse.

[edwardelricfreak]

Hi, edwardelricfreak,

 

regarding '...  To be fair, you could use the same exploitative technique of freezing before death to wait until a month passes and get a free adult... ...'

 

just to mention, the general trend seems to be more toward a requirement of 6 months to a year in a Frozen state prior to unfreezing a hatchy, at a rate not exceeding one dispelling per scroll per month.

 

 

Also, with reference to: .'...Perhaps the hatchling has to have enough views for it to be able to grow, and if it doesn't, the unfreezing fails and it dies? ...'

 

people, especially those with a large number of Frozens, accumulated possibly over a period of ?6? years? (not sure when Freezing became available) may not remember that, in example, a beautifully lineaged hatchy, which they particularly wanted to unFreeze because they'd just acquired the perfect mate, had been Frozen because they'd snagged it off the AP minutes before death.

 

This just seems cruel, lol.

 

I'm also not sure why there's so much focus on killing hatchies, when the possibility of losing a dragon, either to death or to abandonment, would render the dispelling as useless to many as is Earthquake, because of the risk involved.

 

There are a vast number of restrictions already suggested, and it seems to me that a limitation to hatchies Frozen over a year previous and a maximum of one dispelling a month per scroll ought to be sufficient in this area...

I'm actually not against this suggestion. I WANT to be able to unfreeze some hatchlings if the need occurs. Just clarifying, as I don't want it to be assumed that I'm against the idea.

 

I was simply bringing up some complications with it. YES I know there were longer time period restraints mentioned. Personally, I think an entire year is WAY too long. I wouldn't go beyond six months. A year is kind of ridiculous imo. But nothing shorter than one month.

 

I don't WANT hatchlings to die. I offered the idea as one of the ways to possibly prevent the mechanic from being abused and exploited, especially if the time wasn't as long as an entire year. Besides, it COULD be a smaller chance of death, not something near as high as Bite or Earthquake.

 

One dispelling per month is fine, but an entire year of having a hatchling just doesn't seem necessary. Besides, the system could STILL be abused with that time limit if the person froze the hatchling to keep it from dying. Not exactly profitable, but they could if they wanted.

 

It's possible to be FOR a suggestion and still worry about potential problems, even with suggested restrictions...

Edited January 9, 2014 by edwardelricfreak

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I was simply bringing up some complications with it. YES I know there were longer time period restraints mentioned. Personally, I think an entire year is WAY too long. I wouldn't go beyond six months. A year is kind of ridiculous imo. But nothing shorter than one month.

I think one of the biggest points in favor of a year (or 13 months) is that someone could, in theory, stash up on Christmas / Halloween / Valentines dragons, freeze them, and then unfreeze them again in time for next year's breeding. It wouldn't be the most horrible thing in the world if they could--after all, they'd still have to raise them to hatchlings to begin with, which aren't as limiting as eggs, and they'd only be able to get as many as they could freeze--but it's still something to consider. Making the cool down just long enough that they'd have to wait two whole years to use those Holiday dragons, though, would probably be enough to keep most people from trying to use it for Holiday hoarding.

[edwardelricfreak]

But I don't really think that matters. I guess it's fine to have a year. I'd still say have any hatchlings that became adults have that "last bred" thing like holidays born and grown during the same year. If that's the case, you wouldn't necessarily need 13 months, because THAT breeding "cooldown" would be long enough.

[DarkEternity]

I think one of the biggest points in favor of a year (or 13 months) is that someone could, in theory, stash up on Christmas / Halloween / Valentines dragons, freeze them, and then unfreeze them again in time for next year's breeding. It wouldn't be the most horrible thing in the world if they could--after all, they'd still have to raise them to hatchlings to begin with, which aren't as limiting as eggs, and they'd only be able to get as many as they could freeze--but it's still something to consider. Making the cool down just long enough that they'd have to wait two whole years to use those Holiday dragons, though, would probably be enough to keep most people from trying to use it for Holiday hoarding.

Well at least it doesn't make it useless for folks like me who are also long term players.

//senses some utility in mass freezing for storage. owo

 

If we didn't have anything to unfreeze already, it would be feasible to keep an extra 12 frozen holidays on top of the 50 something it is possible to trade/catch and then unfreeze one per month.

[KageSora]

You're making the claim that these are all related cases, when they're actually separate. It's important to figure out which goals are important, because they determine how things behave.

 

If people want to be able to undo accidentally-frozen hatchlings, then something that only works when the hatchling would still have time left solves that, but it doesn't deal with dragons from long ago.

 

On the other hand, solutions for hatchlings frozen way back would either need to grow up instantly or have time added back to them as hatchlings, which wouldn't work for recent freezes (if you don't want to open exploits).

 

If you did both based on when it was frozen, now it behaves inconsistently.

I think the idea of "must be frozen X amount of time before being able to be unfrozen" works in all cases, though. It is a single solution that won't require multiple means to implement, and covers the range of people. I, personally, would rather have to wait an extended period of time to reverse a mistake than to be prevented from ever fixing it.

 

Perhaps the hatchling has to have enough views for it to be able to grow, and if it doesn't, the unfreezing fails and it dies?

Absolutely not. Not unless we can start getting views for frozen dragons again.

 

Ugh, I have a massive headache so hard to phrase my thoughts, but that isn't really what I'm getting at.

I guess I'm curious as to what would you consider some compelling reasons for unfreezing other than "now I can breed that unfrozen holiday (since now more people can collect them)" Since the reason for unfreezing that I keep seeing mentioned over and over again is the 'change in circumstances' ie lifting holiday limits. Or is that the main reason for most people?

Personally, as I'v said multiple times before, I want this so I can have my second adult with the "caught on" date matching the initial release period. That's something I really like having.

 

Being able to further breed eggs to dump into the AP/give to others is a bonus.

 

Not to mentions that the idea of "second chances don't exist" isn't usually something I enjoy in a game. If second chances can exist in reality, why not in a game? (Unless, of course, it would open the gates for potentially game-breaking abuse--but we're more than willing to work on restrictions to prevent that kind of thing)

[Fuzzbucket]

I think one of the biggest points in favor of a year (or 13 months) is that someone could, in theory, stash up on Christmas / Halloween / Valentines dragons, freeze them, and then unfreeze them again in time for next year's breeding. It wouldn't be the most horrible thing in the world if they could--after all, they'd still have to raise them to hatchlings to begin with, which aren't as limiting as eggs, and they'd only be able to get as many as they could freeze--but it's still something to consider. Making the cool down just long enough that they'd have to wait two whole years to use those Holiday dragons, though, would probably be enough to keep most people from trying to use it for Holiday hoarding.

Holiday hoarding. WELL - it won't work on the new holidays ever year, so is it that big an issue ?

 

I am in favour of 13 months; I'm just curious.

 

I would say ABSOLUTELY NO to refreezing an unfrozen, though. That is several steps too far. (and if we are talking FAIRNESS - if that is allowed so as to let an ungendered gender - I want the one that DID gender after it was frozen put back to S1, which was what I intended... If YOU can do that to get an S2 that you intended, why can't I... ?)

 

There are a vast number of restrictions already suggested, and it seems to me that a limitation to hatchies Frozen over a year previous and a maximum of one dispelling a month per scroll ought to be sufficient in this area...

 

Very very very much agree with this.

 

I see no need to make things even more complicated with even more restrictions or possibility of dead hatchlings etc etc. There are already MORE then enough limits and restrictions on this suggestion to satisfy pretty much any possible opposition, if people would really try to understand what we are saying and the multitude of limits imposed and how that would effect and negate any possible abuse.

 

I couldn't agree more. This is all getting so complicated that it risks being shot down ! (and as it doesn't affect me, I don't particularly mind, but to those who do mind... not good !)

[Guillotine]

This doesn't affect me either (I'm not unfreezing the average common when I can just grab another), and tbh the dragon needing to be frozen a year+one unfreeze every month+insta-adult is quite enough as limitations go.

 

(I'm against the 7-day untradable hatchling thing because of the fact that growing things can't have descriptions, and a lot of people describe their frozens in ways that only tangentially mention their frozen status.)

[LibbyLishly]

This doesn't affect me either (I'm not unfreezing the average common when I can just grab another), and tbh the dragon needing to be frozen a year+one unfreeze every month+insta-adult is quite enough as limitations go.

 

(I'm against the 7-day untradable hatchling thing because of the fact that growing things can't have descriptions, and a lot of people describe their frozens in ways that only tangentially mention their frozen status.)

THERE'S someone other than me bringing up that question! Guillotine, this exchange happened very briefly on page 12. Would either of the solutions presented dispel your concerns, or do you contend that insta-adult still would be the simplest based on this potential issue?

 

Everyone else please feel free to weigh in.

 

I'd like to bring up another potential sticky wicket that, surprisingly, hasn't come up yet: descriptions.

 

Since a growing hatchling cannot be described, if an 'unfreeze' action were to be used on a described hatchling who was then able to grow up, I can see some concern that the description might be erased.

 

The solution should be simple enough: the hatchling would retain its description, but the description could not be edited while the hatchling was in its locked-to-the-scroll growing time. Once it became an adult, the description could be edited as usual.

 

Thoughts?

I don't really see that as much of an issue at all. Frozen dragons can be described. But most of their descriptions will include something about their "eternal youth" state. So it makes sense that when they are unfrozen, that description disappears (maybe with a note telling the user that will happen), and then when the hatchling grows up you can just redo the description as you want.

 

Your suggestion would work fine too, I just don't see why a growing hatchling would have a frozen-related description.

Meh. It mostly matters if there's information that's not related to the frozen state. I can just see a lot of rage along the lines of "All my description said was that she's the assistant interpreter to my clan's primary mage and a ton of stuff about her personality". I don't think it would hurt for the description to have short-term inaccuracy instead of potentially wiping someone's hard work at character- and universe-building.

 

As long as there was a warning, I don't think it would be the end of the world to wipe descriptions; I just hate to see already-approved and processed hard work go completely to waste.

 

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I'm updating the top post with bbik's (admittedly complicated) suggestion on unfreezing by stages, just because it's another solution proposed. I haven't updated the top post for the last couple of pages because I haven't seen anything new - just round and round about concerns and proposed solutions that are already in the top post. Still here and watching for new thoughts.

[Tawanda001]

I'm updating the top post with bbik's (admittedly complicated) suggestion on unfreezing by stages, just because it's another solution proposed. I haven't updated the top post for the last couple of pages because I haven't seen anything new - just round and round about concerns and proposed solutions that are already in the top post. Still here and watching for new thoughts.

What about the possibility of using freezing on a sick hatchie to prevent it dying, that was mentioned up thread? How is it handled when unfreezing, instacure?

[LibbyLishly]

What about the possibility of using freezing on a sick hatchie to prevent it dying, that was mentioned up thread? How is it handled when unfreezing, instacure?

Don't people already do this? What people actually use freezing for won't change, and the year+-long wait, I would think, would negate it being an 'instacure' - that's a much longer healing time than any player I know would want to deal with. But I can add it to the top post if you think it's a major concern.

[RainDear]

What about the possibility of using freezing on a sick hatchie to prevent it dying, that was mentioned up thread? How is it handled when unfreezing, instacure?

This is my opinion, just my opinion. I do not presume to speak for anyone else.

 

@ Tawanda001, So far as I know, sick hatchlings that mature to adulthood are never sick, so I would think frozen hatchlings that mature to adulthood will never be sick either.

 

@ general audience, Since this action would change the present numbers of breedable dragons in unforeseeable ways, the resulting eggs would affect the ratios, the AP, new and old members whether they unfreeze or not. It does affect even those who will not use it or who oppose it. Only TJ knows or can discover how many frozen dragons are out there and maybe what breeds they are, but even knowing these things will not really give us a clue how many of these are likely to be entered into the breeding pool.

 

Perhaps most unfrozen dragons will be holidays, but we have no way of knowing that. I went on a short freezing spree and froze a couple of dragons I hadn't intended to. If this happens, I will likely unfreeze those, but I do not know how "normal" my activities in cave are. I don't breed unless by request or to get something like a hybrid for my own scroll. The dragons I unfreeze are no more likely to be bred than any other dragon on my scroll, and I don't breed often or many. I know some others breed weekly and many more dragons than I do. I have no way of knowing which is more "normal" or how many dragons are actually bred on a regular schedule.

 

I have had the notice that I breed previous holidays on request in my sig for quite a long time and this is the first year that I had requests for dragons from most of my Christmas dragons. I also had some requests for Halloween and still have a few for Valentine's, but I usually only have a very few requests for any of my holiday's offspring, so I don't usually breed them at all.

[Tawanda001]

Hmmm...well I don't recall having a sick egg or hatchie die on me so I'm not entirely sure how it all works. But it did make me wonder if you had a hatchie that was sick enough to die and you froze it, what happened when you unfroze it? Would it die anyway or would the instant adulthood prevent that from happening?

Not really a big concern for me, more just wondering out loud.

[olympe]

I guess that it doesn't matter all that much. Besides, if you put a dragon baby in "stasis" for a year, that would be like, I dunno, an induced coma? Which doctors in RL use to help people fight certain injuries or diseases. So, why not?

[cyradis4]

You're making the claim that these are all related cases, when they're actually separate. It's important to figure out which goals are important, because they determine how things behave.

 

If people want to be able to undo accidentally-frozen hatchlings, then something that only works when the hatchling would still have time left solves that, but it doesn't deal with dragons from long ago.

 

On the other hand, solutions for hatchlings frozen way back would either need to grow up instantly or have time added back to them as hatchlings, which wouldn't work for recent freezes (if you don't want to open exploits).

 

If you did both based on when it was frozen, now it behaves inconsistently.

Hahahaha TJ I'm feeling special, that's several times I managed to draw fire from you. Bring it on!

 

Actually, I wasn't making a claim at all, just giving several different possible reasons someone might want to unfreeze. The thread has been focusing on the Holiday reasons, and the person I was replying to was wondering what other reasons there were.

 

Given that the "best" solutions to each of those reasons are, as you say, not the most comparable... I think you can say that there are 3 basic reasons to want to unfreeze:

- Accidents: such as a jumping screen, having two of the same dragon species on your scroll and freezing the wrong one, and the like. If its easy to replace, you'll be irritated with yourself but its easy to replace, so the extra time to raise another is just annoying. If its hard to replace, then you'll probably be content with any way you can get to undo the problem and have a usable adult. Not saying that you wouldn't be happier to be able to immediately unfreeze it, but at least you can do something.

- Changing Goals: You froze something that you later wished you hadn't, like a 10th even gen Pink you lucked into a mate for. It takes a huge amount of time to get a 10th gen dragon starting from the CBs, and add in pure bred or any other criteria, and you could well have frozen something in the expectation that you'd never find a suitable mate. Now you lucked into one, and are regretting freezing it. Again, you'd probably be satisfied with any way to unfreeze. This scenario holds for anyone who froze something they though they could never get a mate for. Such as say.... You had two siblings, froze one, then had its sibling refuse a mate, and now you want to unfreeze the other.

- Changing Game Rules: You froze a Holiday thinking you'd only ever get two, and now you can have more and wish you hadn't frozen one. Or a sprite retires, or something. Again, you'll probably be satisfied by any way you can get to unfreeze it and use it.

 

So, if the limits are as such:

31 day scroll wide cooldown

- just like with freezing itself, you can only unfreeze so many. In this case, 1 ever 31 days seems to be a good number to address concerns of abuse. It will also make you think hard about undoing the freezing. Theoretically.

- I think if the below limit is implemented, that a more reasonable cooldown could be accepted. The idea is to prevent abuse, by people freezing to get around the hatchie limits then unfreezing for an instant adult.

- RP reason: It takes really powerful magic to un-spell a hatchie, so you need to wait a while to recover before trying it again.

 

365 day wait to unfreeze a hatchie (countdown starts from either the day it was frozen or whatever time you'd like best)

- So people can't get around the scroll limits at Holiday time, by freeze a hoard of hatchies, then unfreezing them before the next Christmas and breeding them immediately. If you have to wait 365 days till you can even unfreeze it, then you can only unfreeze one... really doesn't do you any good. Even if you can unfreeze more, if it was a hatchie or a "just bred" adult you couldn't breed it that Holiday season. This seems to be a biggie for most people, the thought that you can freeze hatchies and get more Holidays then unfreeze them before breeding the following year.

- RP reason: Freezing is a powerful spell, and it takes a full year for the hatchlings biology to settle out enough that you can safely unfreeze. Or, maybe right after you cast the spell its much stronger than it needs to be, so it takes time for it to loose a bit of its power, so you can unfreeze it.

 

Insta adult with a "just bred" date or untradeable hatchie

- I prefer insta-adult, but then it doesn't take up a hatchie spot. Lots of others seem to prefer an untradeable hatchie.

- The insta-adult with a breeding cooldown: You don't have to add any growing timers or trade conditions or worry about ratios, and the breeding cooldown and the year wait prevents people from unfreezing and immediately breeding. Basically, keeps people from taking advantage of freezing a Holiday one year to save a hatchie spot then unfreezing and breeding the next. They could still do it, but they'd miss a full year of breeding with that dragon.

- RP wise, the breeding cooldown: the dragon just underwent an incredible change to its body, and it needs time to recover before its interested in breeding.

- The untradeable hatchie idea: You wait the 365 days, and unfreeze it, then you have to spend 7 days raising it again. The idea is to again, prevent abuse, by just deferring the time it takes to raise the hatchie to the next year. And you can't trade it, to prevent people from unfreezing old Pinks and Frills and then trading them when they are retired. Same with old Holidays or other breed that is going through a period of extreme rarity (like what happened with Blacks and Stripes).

- Don't know how you'd handle the unfrozen hatchie, ratio wise.

- RP wise, the untradeablility is because the hatchie is weak from the spell, and stays very close to you until it grows up.

 

 

Cheers!

C4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Syphoneira]

 

 

Just like to bring up a couple of points which have already been made along the thread.

 

 

As proposed, a maximum of one hatchy could be unFrozen per month; using a required period of 31 days between dispellings after having been Frozen for a full year or more, 11 per year.

 

While there's a great deal of variation in the number of dragons which people can, or potentially can, raise during any such specific time period, the average, not overly fast person with a Gold Trophy, between insta/Incuhatchable dragons on the AP and full-time Incubated eggs bred or obtained from the Cave, can easily raise 20 dragons a week and 80 dragons a month.

 

How much difference is the potential reproduction rate of one unFrozen dragon a month going to make to the ratios in this scenario?

 

 

Some people, like myself and other proponents, have no dragons to unFreeze, others have one or two, some would like to dispell one each of every Frozen Holiday only, others may have some CB/nicely bred discontinued dragons to unFreeze and a few have accidentally Frozen the wrong dragon, which may be a pretty-lineaged common, an uncommon, or a rare, while a few, who may otherwise have few or no CB metallics, would like to unFreeze one (possibly frozen by accident when a page jumped,) and freeze a messy instead.

 

Most of the people with Frozen armies - often forming a scroll goal - are fond of them and are proud of what they've accumulated over the years, and I'd suspect that the bulk of them would like to retain them, especially as so many have elaborate naming schemes, often involving song lyrics, poetry or quotes/references, etc.

 

And many of these armies consist of messy-lineaged hatchies salvaged from the AP which their owners prefer as they are.

 

Yes, probably a lot of people would initially use an opportunity to dispell certain hatchies, but after about 6-8 months, the bulk of them would, I suspect, have completed their goals in this area, and there would then be more CB Holidays available to breed among a variety of other dragons, some discontinued, some pretty-lineaged/CB commons/uncommons and some metallics, at a maximum rate of 5-7 per scroll over this 6-8 month period, among the hundreds of other dragons likely accumulated on each such scroll during this time.

 

How much difference would 1 more prospective breeder already existing on someone's scroll being put into production attempts make among perhaps 80 others accumulated per month, as well as potentially thousands of pre-existing adults?

 

 

 

Since the likely dispelling of some Frozen CB metallics seems to be an object of concern for some, I'd like to point out that the breeding input from these dispelled dragons will be controlled both by the number of times the owners bred them and by the ratios.

 

The commons are the only ones likely to be prolific, and while success rates of metallic breedings seem to vary somewhat from scroll to scroll and time to time, individually, they typically tend to not produce very well for many of us.

 

 

These Frozen dragons have already been existing on scrolls, possibly for several years or more, and the situation may be considered akin to one where people have had dragons simply not bred, whether because breeding in general is not an interest of theirs, perhaps only breeding metallics for rare trades, but wanting only one of each sprite and typically being able to catch their own, or for any number of other reasons, ranging from bad trading experiences to not wanting more themselves, not generally having room with continual lineage breeding and metallic breeding being a low priority for them.

 

And even continual breeding of metallics does not guarantee regular - or any - production of metallics, lol.

 

Some people have armies of CB metallics they breed regularly, others have none, a few, or any range in between.

 

If these people who have such armies go on hiatus/lose internet, or simply don't breed them for whatever reason, (such as having no room because of incoming multi-CB metallic Shimmer trades, lol) these dragons are not bred for that period of time, and when bred then affect the ratios to the extent of metallic production.

 

If people with armies of CB metallics lose interest and quit or have their scrolls burnt, these dragons are not being, and will never again again be, bred by people and this affects the ratios in the other direction.

 

 

There is a great degree of potential variation among the produce of the dragons owned by thousands of active players.

 

How much effect would the addition to the breeding pool of metallics by the dispelling of the odd Frozen metallic by people - likely with only one or a few CB metallics to make this a priority for them - actually have, comparatively speaking?

 

 

No idea if this is phrased clearly or not, but out of time just now, lol.

[Wookieinmashoo]

The one thing i really think should be universal for any method offered is that unfreezing shouldn't be common. I'd rather see it be once a year or once every six months. This makes people be more careful with their choices but still have a chance to "undo" something they didn't like before.

[angelicdragonpuppy]

I'm starting to lean towards the "unfrozens grow up instantly" thing again, for a number of reasons.

 

First, they're hardly instant adults--the only things that can be frozen are hatchlings, after all, so the hardest part of raising them was already done, and having to wait a year to get that frozen as an adult is hardly instant either. Last but not least--who here, aside from the very newest of players, has all that much trouble rearing dragons anyway? I'd say very few--so I doubt unfreezing would be exploited just to skip the work of raising them.

 

My main reasons for changing my mind is that it seems simpler that way; you don't have to explain why they can't be traded, and confused players won't be coming in wondering why there's, say, a Winter or Halloween hatchling in the hatcheries in the middle of June.

Edited January 9, 2014 by angelicdragonpuppy

[Syphoneira]

I'm starting to lean towards the "unfrozens grow up instantly" thing again, for a number of reasons.

 

First, they're hardly instant adults--the only things that can be frozen are hatchlings, after all, so the hardest part of raising them was already done, and having to wait a year to get that frozen as an adult is hardly instant either. Last but not least--who here, aside from the very newest of players, has all that much trouble rearing dragons anyway? I'd say very few--so I doubt unfreezing would be exploited just to skip the work of raising them.

 

My main reasons for changing my mind is that it seems simpler that way; you don't have to explain why they can't be traded, and confused players won't be coming in wondering why there's, say, a Winter or Halloween hatchling in the hatcheries in the middle of June.

 

 

Good points.

 

Also, may I point out that they'd have a spell of eternal childhood removed to allow them to grow up - why wouldn't this be the immediate effect?

[cyradis4]

 

Good points.

 

Also, may I point out that they'd have a spell of eternal childhood removed to allow them to grow up - why wouldn't this be the immediate effect?

And for people concerned with the breeding week at the time of the Holidays, why not give the unfrozen dragons a week cooldown? Ie, a "last bred" date on the day they were un-frozen.

 

That takes you out of the Holiday breeding week, and RP wise it does make sense (the dragon just had a major spell performed on it, I'm sure its exhausted!).

 

Cheers!

C4.

[DragonLady86]

I'm starting to lean towards the "unfrozens grow up instantly" thing again, for a number of reasons.

 

First, they're hardly instant adults--the only things that can be frozen are hatchlings, after all, so the hardest part of raising them was already done, and having to wait a year to get that frozen as an adult is hardly instant either. Last but not least--who here, aside from the very newest of players, has all that much trouble rearing dragons anyway? I'd say very few--so I doubt unfreezing would be exploited just to skip the work of raising them.

 

My main reasons for changing my mind is that it seems simpler that way; you don't have to explain why they can't be traded, and confused players won't be coming in wondering why there's, say, a Winter or Halloween hatchling in the hatcheries in the middle of June.

I was just about to add this point. lol

 

The confusion on "why can't I trade my hatchlings" would likely be immense. That question still pops up in Help quite frequently over named hatchlings.

[LibbyLishly]

I'm starting to lean towards the "unfrozens grow up instantly" thing again, for a number of reasons.

 

First, they're hardly instant adults--the only things that can be frozen are hatchlings, after all, so the hardest part of raising them was already done, and having to wait a year to get that frozen as an adult is hardly instant either. Last but not least--who here, aside from the very newest of players, has all that much trouble rearing dragons anyway? I'd say very few--so I doubt unfreezing would be exploited just to skip the work of raising them.

 

My main reasons for changing my mind is that it seems simpler that way; you don't have to explain why they can't be traded, and confused players won't be coming in wondering why there's, say, a Winter or Halloween hatchling in the hatcheries in the middle of June.

Fantastic points, ADP.

 

@cyradis4 - I used to have the breeding cooldown idea somewhere in the top post, but it looks like I deleted it during one of the updates. Hmm. Need to do some reconfiguration to get the specifics of the ideas in here... I may just grab your lengthy post on this page and copy-paste it in.

[olympe]

And for people concerned with the breeding week at the time of the Holidays, why not give the unfrozen dragons a week cooldown? Ie, a "last bred" date on the day they were un-frozen.

 

That takes you out of the Holiday breeding week, and RP wise it does make sense (the dragon just had a major spell performed on it, I'm sure its exhausted!).

 

Cheers!

C4.

Sounds like a very fair compromise. And, with a limit of about 1 unfreezing per month, there isn't much space for abuse. Compared to what we can raise (using incubate, but not expressly hunting for low-time eggs or hatchlings), 11 to 12 dragons per year really isn't much. (With a gold trophy, we can raise what, 7 dragons every other day? That adds up to 365/2 * 7 = 182.5 * 7 = 1277.5 dragons per year. What's 12 more or less than that, really?)

[Syphoneira]

Sounds like a very fair compromise. And, with a limit of about 1 unfreezing per month, there isn't much space for abuse. Compared to what we can raise (using incubate, but not expressly hunting for low-time eggs or hatchlings), 11 to 12 dragons per year really isn't much. (With a gold trophy, we can raise what, 7 dragons every other day? That adds up to 365/2 * 7 = 182.5 * 7 = 1277.5 dragons per year. What's 12 more or less than that, really?)

 

 

 

Thank you yet again, olympe! (And a lengthy list of others, lol.)

 

Why those relatively few dragons dispelled and potentially entering the breeding pool should be thought to form a ratio problem among so many other dragons is a mystery to me...