Breeding with wild dragons

[Morell]

While watching wild dragons, I had an idea about breedings dragons with wild ones. It can be quite interesting optinion. I'm interested in your opinions about my idea.

User chooses dragon he wants to breed with wild dragon and system randomly choose compatible dragon from wild ones. There will be probably lesser chance for breeding as human raised dragons smells after humans. :-)

Because of that it can't be told what egg will be laid, if there will be any.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Morell

[RecycledHeart]

I think we already had a suggestion like this and it didn't go very well.

 

My opinion is this. Users have abandon dragons for several reasons, one of those being that they didn't want that dragon to breed ever again. A counterargument to that is it's off your scroll you don't have control anymore.

 

And also wouldn't people just breed to the desirable dragons? Unless there was a separate breeding ratio for this I don't think this could work.

[Jazeki]

RecycledHeart touched on pretty much all of the points that have been brought up in other wild dragon breeding threads.

 

Also, it seems pretty odd to have the option to breed with wild dragons if the system chooses the dragons for you to be able to breed with. It seems like a wasted breeding to me. What constitutes compatibility? Why do we need this implemented? How will it enhance gameplay?

 

 

I'm not for this, but those are just some things to consider.

[Stellaluna22]

Wild dragons are wild; in my opinion, they should not be forced to breed. They're in their own freedom and shouldnt be forced to breed by someone who isn't their owner.

 

My vote is no.

Edited August 24, 2015 by Stellaluna22

[Fuzzbucket]

No thanks. They are wild for a reason - I have released a few there that I would not like to see breed - randomly or otherwise, and there are MANY here who have done the same.

 

There is already at least one thread about this, where it has been shot down in flames.

[xxBurningxx]

Yeah...The only way this makes sense in my head canonically is if one of your dragons decided to run off and have a breeding spree with a random dragon in the wild (and that thought is filling my head with silly mythological stories about Zeus). And I don't think there will ever be a mechanic where one of your dragons could just randomly spit out an egg with some other dragon...

 

So yeah, in general I'm gonna vote against.

 

Too many things would have to be done to perfect this idea and in the end I don't think it's really worth the trouble.

[stagazer_7]

Personally, I'd love an option to breed my dragons with wild ones (I can already see a beautiful wild-dragon based checker or even-gen <3 <3 <3), but with that being said I recognize the concerns and reasoning's of people that are against this.

 

I could maybe see this working if all the already abandoned dragons would not be available as potential mates. This way there'd be no mad 'omg, let's all try to breed with that one CB Holly/Gold/Silver to try to get a rare' dash and it also should not upset players who released their dragons, but would not like them to be used for breeding purposes of random players.

 

If Wilderness breeding would become possible, I'd like to see players being given a chance to decide whether their dragon would be able to breed with others (maybe a simple 'Will your dragon be able to breed after the release? - Yes/No' kind of question just before abadoning). Sure, the number of available wild mates would be low at first, but this way the player base would gradually create a pool of breedable wild dragons.

 

Not too keen on a randomized breeding system, I'd prefer to pick my own mates.

 

As for making sense lore wise, I don't see why a wild, lets say, male Canopy would find a domesticated female dragon repulsive - kind of like wolves and dogs.

 

So a yes to Wilderness breeding, but with some tweaks. (sadly, I don't think it's going to happen as pretty much every previous suggestion of this kind has been shot down ;_; - still, I remain hopeful)

Edited August 24, 2015 by stagazer_7

[xxBurningxx]

Personally, I'd love an option to breed my dragons with wild ones (I can already see a beautiful wild-dragon based checker or even-gen <3 <3 <3), but with that being said I recognize the concerns and reasoning's of people that are against this.

 

I could maybe see this working if all the already abandoned dragons would not be available as potential mates. This way there'd be no mad 'omg, let's all try to breed with that one CB Holly/Gold/Silver to try to get a rare' dash and it also should not upset players who released their dragons, but would not like them to be used for breeding purposes of random players.

 

If Wilderness breeding would become possible, I'd like to see players being given a chance to decide whether their dragon would be able to breed with others (maybe a simple 'Will your dragon be able to breed after the release? - Yes/No' kind of question just before abadoning). Sure, the number of available wild mates would be low at first, but this way the player base would gradually create a pool of breedable wild dragons.

 

As for making sense lore wise, I don't see why a wild, lets say, male Canopy would find a domesticated female dragon repulsive - kind off like wolves and dogs.

 

So a yes to Wilderness breeding, but with some tweaks. (sadly, I don't think it's going to happen as pretty much every previous suggestion of this kind has been shot down ;_; - still, I remain hopeful)

I guess I could maybe see something like that...

 

But what about lore-wise for the option to choose whether they can breed in the wild or not? If you don't want your dragon to breed, are you just like, "Oh hey, you can leave but don't mate with any other dragons!"

 

I guess you could cast a spell on them causing them to be infertile...

[Jazeki]

I guess I could maybe see something like that...

 

But what about lore-wise for the option to choose whether they can breed in the wild or not? If you don't want your dragon to breed, are you just like, "Oh hey, you can leave but don't mate with any other dragons!"

 

I guess you could cast a spell on them causing them to be infertile...

This seems like there would be some sort of scroll-wide option where you would just have a "breed with wild dragon" option that you can ignore rather than having to do anything to your dragons to prevent them from breeding.

[stagazer_7]

I guess I could maybe see something like that...

 

But what about lore-wise for the option to choose whether they can breed in the wild or not? If you don't want your dragon to breed, are you just like, "Oh hey, you can leave but don't mate with any other dragons!"

 

I guess you could cast a spell on them causing them to be infertile...

Heh, being abandoned and spayed/neutered, double trauma. Sorry, sorry, it's super late and it's affecting my sense of humor. >_<

 

The reason I feel players should be able to choose whether to make their dragon available to breed after being released is because in my head it's a part of a dragon's lore its owner came up for it. It doesn't have necessarily to be an infertility spell, it could be that the dragon simply doesn't want to have anything to do with humans and so would find a domesticated dragon who carries their scent unappealing or it would go so far into the Wilderness that any contact with domesticated dragons would be impossible as there simply aren't any around - you can make up any number of reasons really.

Edited August 24, 2015 by stagazer_7

[Fuzzbucket]

To be honest I cannot see ANY reason for this. There are plenty of dragons around without infringing on the rights of the wild

[xxBurningxx]

This seems like there would be some sort of scroll-wide option where you would just have a "breed with wild dragon" option that you can ignore rather than having to do anything to your dragons to prevent them from breeding.

Nahh, I meant for if you wanted to release a dragon but wanted it to be so that other's couldn't breed their dragons with it later, you could cast an infertility spell.

 

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Lore-wise, I can definitely see that.

 

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Overall though, I think I have to agree with fuzzbucket--We do have plenty of dragons for breeding. Not only that, but I think the mechanics themselves would be a lot of work. Coding so people could choose whether their released dragons could breed, the function itself of sorting Wild dragons available for breeding, all of those things seems like a lot of work.

Edit: Although I know nothing about site coding so maybe it's easier than it sounds. -shrugs-

Edited August 24, 2015 by xxBurningxx

[stagazer_7]

To be honest I cannot see ANY reason for this. There are plenty of dragons around without infringing on the rights of the wild

Having more breeding/lineage building options never hurts.

 

To be honest, I have no idea how hard it would be to code something like this - but I do feel having breedable dragons in the Wilderness would add to the biome, not take away from it. Especially if players could decide which of their released dragons would be available to breed, if this was implemented, I really wouldn't see any harm in it.

[NotBambi]

Personally I wouldn't release dragons to the wilderness unless I really really really do not want to breed with them. And I can't imagine why I would be canvassing the wilderness for a mate for any of the dragons in my scroll. That said, I do not care about "pixels eugenics" so anybody would be welcome to breed with one of my "rejects". At the same time, there are so many more interesting suggestions waiting to be implemented that, from my selfish point of view, this one should have very very very low priority. If any.

[xxBurningxx]

Having more breeding/lineage building options never hurts.

 

To be honest, I have no idea how hard it would be to code something like this - but I do feel having breedable dragons in the Wilderness would add to the biome, not take away from it. Especially if players could decide which of their released dragons would be available to breed, if this was implemented, I really wouldn't see any harm in it.

I can see how it would be fun to release a 2G (or any other lineage) dragon and see if anyone else comes along and adds to the lineage. Edit: Although that's very similar to breeding an egg and abandoning it.

 

So yeah, I do agree that I don't think it'd do any harm, as long as people who release their dragons have a say in whether they can breed or not.

Edited August 24, 2015 by xxBurningxx

[HeatherMarie]

I have to play devil's advocate here and say this: If it's not on your scroll, it's not yours. If you released a dragon and then a long time later we get Wilderness Breeding, well that dragon may be bred. And that's the dragon's right, I think, as a Wild Dragon. It can breed or not breed, as it chooses. It has no owner, no one to lay claim to it. I think this would be the same as making your hatchling infertile before you abandon it. Once it leaves your scroll, you don't get to choose what happens to it. It might die, who knows.

 

That being said, it doesn't mean I *like* the idea of Wilderness Breeding. Wild dragons are wild and I can't see them *wanting* to mate with some random domestic dragon.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Marie19R

[Syphoneira]

Personally, apart from the fact that the only dragons I've ever Released were inbreds I didn't want to chance accidentally breeding and would hope would never, ever breed at all, I really, really like the idea of the wilderness dragons being truly free, not for our use, but just 'living' for themselves...

 

That's also one of the things that makes DC unique and gives it depth, even if it's just a little, out-of-the-way thing.

[Obscure_Trash]

No, thanks. I don't this this is necessary or will add anything too great to DC.

[Fiona]

Yeah...The only way this makes sense in my head canonically is if one of your dragons decided to run off and have a breeding spree with a random dragon in the wild

Let me just tell you guys a leetle story...

 

Nike's mother was a beautiful brindle pitbull, pedigreed and show quality. Her owner wanted to breed her to another pedigreed, show quality male pit bull so she wasn't fixed. To keep other dogs away she lived behind a 6 foot tall chain link fence. However, when Nike's mother went into heat a stray from around the neighborhood - we only know he was some kind of rat terrier, managed to leap the 6 foot fence. Thus was Nike born, half pitbull show dog and half... not.

 

Wild/feral/stray animals don't really respect boundaries like fences. I'm not really personally in favor of this suggestion because a lot of the lineages of the wild dragons aren't something I'm interested in, but lore wise it can make perfect sense if you consider that the wild dragon was nearby and spotted your dragon. It would also make more sense if you can't choose which wild dragon wanders by.

[HeatherMarie]

Let me just tell you guys a leetle story...

 

Nike's mother was a beautiful brindle pitbull, pedigreed and show quality. Her owner wanted to breed her to another pedigreed, show quality male pit bull so she wasn't fixed. To keep other dogs away she lived behind a 6 foot tall chain link fence. However, when Nike's mother went into heat a stray from around the neighborhood - we only know he was some kind of rat terrier, managed to leap the 6 foot fence. Thus was Nike born, half pitbull show dog and half... not.

 

Wild/feral/stray animals don't really respect boundaries like fences. I'm not really personally in favor of this suggestion because a lot of the lineages of the wild dragons aren't something I'm interested in, but lore wise it can make perfect sense if you consider that the wild dragon was nearby and spotted your dragon. It would also make more sense if you can't choose which wild dragon wanders by.

In that scenario, yeah, we shouldn't be able to choose. If dragons wanna mate they are gonna mate. Especially wilds. That is the *only* way I can see this logically working, is if it's some random wild dragon wandering about and we don't choose which dragon. .... Which is probably exactly what people in favor of Wilderness Breeding *don't* want.

[Morell]

I'm glad that I've read so many answers.

 

Programing here shouldn't be that hard, I believe.

 

My thoughts also are that once set free, the dragon belongs to his owner no more, no matter if the ex-owner wants the drgon to breed more, or not. The same it is with abandoned eggs/hatchlings and you can know the same from real life too, or not?

 

Idea of ranodm dragon was to ensure that you cannot just simply breed with the dragons you wants, it is bit like lotery. You may win, you may loose. I thought that the percentage of success would be lower, that is to make wild dragon, who hapens to see your mating dragon, to decide, if wants to breed or not. That would possibly make the breeding with wild dragons less common, as... I don't know, if it succed only once in three times, and you can be wery sad for the mate which choosed to breed with your dragon. Rare dragons are rare even within the wildness, I believe.

 

I thought that chances could be:

50% - No dragon was interested

30% - Dragon came (shows dragon), but appears to have no interest

19,8% - brreding to one egg

0,2% - multiple eggs (should/shouldn't be? I'm open here.)

(I have to look for the canges in normal breeding, here they sould be lower.)

 

Infertility... I do not think that dragons are dogs or cats, which we infertilises so we can have them at home without any taking care of their children. I'm not against, but I'm not sure that I would like that. But if you really, really want, it can be so.

 

Also... what use can be done of wild dragons? I found only that we can observe them. Is that seriously everything, that can be done with them? Their number grows in time, so I believe that the possibility that one wild dragon will have a lot children with tamed ones will keep decarasing or remain still. Don't really believe that it would rise too much.

 

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Sorry, I looked at the suggestions and didn't find anything like this, that is why I suggested it. If it is already here, I'm sorry.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Morell

[VixenDra]

I'm against:

 

my own dragons having their monogamous relationships broken because some random wild breeding hit one of my dragons. (this is against any possible random breeding to owned dragons that was mentioned inthe thread)

 

my released couples(reason of release: bad lineages to be replaced with better ones), that were monogamous and whose offspring was named 'Draffectionborn'(=bred from Draffectionates; Draffectionate=strictly monogamous individual in love with another strictly monogamous individual) to become non-Draffectionates and destroying all Draffectionborns into non-Draffectionborns... How would I possibly tell(and make) everyone having their offspring that they should not keep the 'Draffectionborn' part in the name as it is no longer true because the previously monogamous couple got randomly bred (and not even out of human mistake) and is no longer Draffective?

 

No. The idea is destructive to owned dragons. Be it just some percentage of them, but if any percentage is badly influenced, then it shouldn't be implemented...

Let's not try to introduce sth that would be destructive to some already existing and ongoing gameplays, please...

 

 

I like how it is now, we no longer command the wild dragons but they also do not destroy any projects via having some random behaviour coded. They're just there, not deceased.

 

 

 

 

The only way I can see wild breeding is so it doesn't affect anyone negatively.

All wilds being available for breeding would be destructive.

We would really need to have some controll to if the released dragon is fertile or not. If you want a logic explaination, then simply let's have a 'make infertile' option, animals can be made infertile and released. Just all already wild dragons would have to be made infertile(because noone had the power to infertilize them so far and making the fertile would be destructive) by the system and wild breeding would have to be restricted to dragons released AFTER the wild breeding was implemented only.

 

So if all you wanted is to breed with a Frill or Pink(to get lineage with them) or the sort, sorry, you can't because if you were allowed to, this could destroy some things on other people's scrolls.

 

 

 

I'm much more for iterscroll breeding if both parties agree for the breeding (I wouldn't use it but I can see nothing destructive in that as long as I wouldn't be forced to have my dragons bred with some others out of my controll). Let's leave released dragons unavailable.

 

Actually, I bet that the main reasons there are released dragons is that it is a much better sollution to get rid of a dragon than killing it and destroying lineages involving it. I'm afraid that introducing wild breeding would highly increase the percentage of kills if one wanted to prevent the repulsed dragon from being used. Another destructive consequence of wild breeding the way it is suggested now...

 

 

 

ANOTHER SUGGESTION:

Perhaps it would be better if there was a new area added, like breeding stables or sth where you can give your dragon to where it is available for breeding - the only purpose of that place. It's like releasing your dragon to the breeding stables(allows further breeding) instead of releasing it to the wilderness(further breeding impossible), which is also there to choose. This way the wilderness would stay as it is plus it would be possible to breed with some repulsed dragons their past owners were fine with breeding further - dragons in the breedng stables.

There would be a dragon breeder(just in theory ofc) managing this area and he would be the one to choose the mate for your dragon that you'd bring to him. To make the idea anyhow not a breeding waste and a bit less random, the breeder would bring 3 mates for your dragon and you'd pick one of these 3 or refuse breeding this time. If you refuse, the stable-breeding would be unavailable for another week or sth (prevent abuse) but the dragon wouldn't loose its breeding to your own dragons then.

Edited August 25, 2015 by VixenDra

[KuroYukia]

I'm against the idea

 

I along with others have let our dragons go so they wouldn't be bred anymore. Plus this is about the 6th time I've seen this idea in about 3 years, it gets shot down every time since they have more against then for the idea.

[JavaTigress]

Personally, I'd love an option to breed my dragons with wild ones (I can already see a beautiful wild-dragon based checker or even-gen <3 <3 <3), but with that being said I recognize the concerns and reasoning's of people that are against this.

 

I could maybe see this working if all the already abandoned dragons would not be available as potential mates. This way there'd be no mad 'omg, let's all try to breed with that one CB Holly/Gold/Silver to try to get a rare' dash and it also should not upset players who released their dragons, but would not like them to be used for breeding purposes of random players.

 

If Wilderness breeding would become possible, I'd like to see players being given a chance to decide whether their dragon would be able to breed with others (maybe a simple 'Will your dragon be able to breed after the release? - Yes/No' kind of question just before abadoning). Sure, the number of available wild mates would be low at first, but this way the player base would gradually create a pool of breedable wild dragons.

 

Not too keen on a randomized breeding system, I'd prefer to pick my own mates.

 

As for making sense lore wise, I don't see why a wild, lets say, male Canopy would find a domesticated female dragon repulsive - kind of like wolves and dogs.

 

So a yes to Wilderness breeding, but with some tweaks. (sadly, I don't think it's going to happen as pretty much every previous suggestion of this kind has been shot down ;_; - still, I remain hopeful)

I am sort of on the fence as far as this question.

 

It would be an interesting option, BUT I know some people have released dragons that they would HATE to see breed.

 

Asfar as the lore..> maybe not REPULSIVE per se, but a wild dragon certainly might think one that hangs around with a human is weak. Whether or not that is actually true. ( I am basing this off of the Inheritance series where it was mentioned that for a rider's dragon to mate with a wild,unbonded dragon was considered unusual...)

 

[Tigerkralle]

*removes the dust* *wilding a protest sign* PROTECT THE WILDERNESS!

 

NO, i released my dragons in the wilderness for really good reasons or in one case a hatchling as an accident but now this hatchling has eternal youth and is free and will get all the love it needs from wild dragons.

 

As Silverswift mentioned some users would HATE to see more offsprings or an offspring at all on a dragon that once belonged to them. Count me to these users.

 

I rather kill my dragons then releasing them if they are breedable with dragons on a scroll.

 

And so many Wild Dragons have sooooooooo messy lineages that is horrible.