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ANSWERED:Make Neglecteds capable of breeding

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I support this, it would be really good to see lineages with them. But I do agree with the godly-like problem with a GoN, so perhaps refusals could be quite high with them? And with NDs, the chance of fail quite high? I doubt TJ would allow breeding them though, unfortunately.

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I'm rather indifferent about GoNs, but I'd love for NDs to be breedable.

 

(Although an even-gen checker with neglecteds and something else might be pretty interesting to create, for the die-hard ND fans. For, even if you cannot breed neglected eggs, you could neglect the egg of an ND in the hope of turning it into another ND.)

 

This is exactly what I'd want to do with them. The challenge of it would be awesome and, like many lineage projects, certainly a good way to keep people connected with the site.

 

As for them being weak or sick, those two things don't actually preclude breeding. Weak/sick people and animals do have children. But I could see the breeding rate being set very, very rare because of their condition.

 

Although I can also understand the reasoning that we did actually neglect a dragon and make them weak for life - we got a cool dragon out of it but, really, how much should we be rewarded for something that, from an in-game perspective, isn't ridiculously nice...or even nice at all. lol

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actually, the "gods" did breed with mortals or we wouldn't have Perseus or Hercules-

Well, that was the point of referencing Zeus, et al. They did have offspring with mortal women. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

 

Komodo Gallant's vision of them was as "gods" of the dragon world, and as such in her thinking, they would not be breedable. While many of us would be in favor of them being able to breed, I don't know if TJ would be willing to change that.

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I don't like this that much, for either dragon. (And not because I don't have either of them! xd.png)

Since the GoN is based off of the Pokemon Lugia, and it can't breed (In the games. Curse you, horrible anime, defying the game rules.), I think that the GoNs should be a legendary prize to show your efforts of forever summoning, hoping to see the mysterious egg in your cave. (Like you have to hike through the Whirl Islands with your Kanto Bird trio to find Lugia. Catching the legendary is a reward for your efforts of beating all 16 gyms in Johto and Kanto. I'm such a Pokemon nerd.)

As for the NDs... I saw someone bring up a good point that they would be too weak to breed. And what would happen with the unknown gender? Not being able to breed?

Then why do Trios breed if they were based off Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno?

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Actually, GoN are rather like the "gods" of the dragon world. So, gods don't breed with mortals, right?

 

 

... *thinks about Zeus. And most of the rest of the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses... and the Norse gods... and...* um. Well, so anyway, that's the thinking behind them not breeding. Because they're gods.

I think the moment I read "gods don't breed with mortals", I immediately began my pathetic ancient Roman/Greek love fueled protest in my head. XD

 

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As for my stance... though I think it would be really awesome in lineages (marrow x ND? ;o;), I'd still say no. Going by the description of the NDs, I always assumed they were infertile or something because they didn't develop properly while in their egg. The taboo against speaking about ND experiment details here also makes me think. Is it in place because TJ doesn't want to support active experiments that could endanger the lives of our eggs (correct me if I'm wrong)? In that case, if breeding of NDs was implemented, couldn't that increase the likelihood of people experimenting on their eggs?

 

Actually, the more I read the arguments against GoNs breeding, the more I want it purely because of the whole god/mortal relationship thing. XD To stay consistent though, I'll dismiss my support because I'm only interested in it for a really silly reason. :P As for the whole "we worked hard for GoNs" argument - while it can take ages to get one, it's not like we really invested much effort into it anyway. Every two weeks, press a button and put in your password. That's about the extent of the "work" we went to. :P

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Like olympe said, the GoN creator said no to breeding, so unless she comes back and nixes that, GoNs breeding is out.

 

I don't really want NDs to breed. Kind of takes away from the special-ness of me. This is a dragon anyone can get with some experimentation. They're not like frills or BPs where people can only get them in lineages now. So, while they may make some cool lineages, I'm against it. ^^

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Like olympe said, the GoN creator said no to breeding, so unless she comes back and nixes that, GoNs breeding is out.

 

I don't really want NDs to breed. Kind of takes away from the special-ness of me. This is a dragon anyone can get with some experimentation. They're not like frills or BPs where people can only get them in lineages now. So, while they may make some cool lineages, I'm against it. ^^

That`s exactly what I think, I don`t like it if NDs would breed, I like to see special dragons in the cave.

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As for my stance... though I think it would be really awesome in lineages (marrow x ND? ;o;), I'd still say no. Going by the description of the NDs, I always assumed they were infertile or something because they didn't develop properly while in their egg. The taboo against speaking about ND experiment details here also makes me think. Is it in place because TJ doesn't want to support active experiments that could endanger the lives of our eggs (correct me if I'm wrong)? In that case, if breeding of NDs was implemented, couldn't that increase the likelihood of people experimenting on their eggs?

If TJ didn't want people experimenting to make neglecteds, I think he'd have not let there be neglecteds. tongue.gif

 

Originally talking about creating neglecteds was banned from the forums because people weren't supposed to say what breeds different eggs were, to preserve the excitement for new players. That rule fell apart a long time ago, and the methods to create neglecteds were briefly allowed to be discussed again. However--a lot of dumb people were suggesting people break the game's rules in order to create neglecteds (such as by creating multiple scrolls), and the mods had to close the threads so often that eventually people were again banned from discussing neglected creation theories and strategies on the forum.

 

However, while telling people how to create them isn't allowed, creating them sure is--so encouraging neglected lineages would be fine. wink.gif

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But they could only ever be in the first gen, so it wouldn't be THAT pretty....

*cough* stairstep *cough*

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As I said, even if neglecteds don't breed true (which I support), it's possible to create checkerboard and other lineages with them. All you have to do is to neglect the egg your ND gave you and be lucky.

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I really wish people would stop asking for nonbreedable dragons to become breedable. They are rare and special to those who have them because they're not as easy to get as breedables.

 

That said, from the game side of things (rather than the player side of things), it doesn't make any sense for a dragon with no hope of survival outside the care of the person who found them to be able to breed with more healthy, powerful and dangerous specimens. Ever heard of Osteogenesis imperfecta ('glass bone syndrome', basically)? Imagine a creature with weak bones trying to mate with something that doesn't have that problem.

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@Mremaknu (since I can't quote due to lag)

 

I think one reason why people would like them breedable is so they are more easily obtainable which in a way I do support. It is one of the two dragons I do not have. I tried to experiment once and it failed. Now with the neglected chat being banned and the IRC doesn't have it anymore I have no help or any clue as to how to get one through experimenting.

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I kind of think they shouldn't be breedable because I always thought of neglecteds as being hostile and disobedient toward their owners, so they seem unlikely to obey a breed command.

 

"They are usually rebellious, not obeying their masters, sometimes even attacking them"

 

Doesn't really sound like a dragon that is going to breed with a dragon that you tell it to breed to :/.

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I really wish people would stop asking for nonbreedable dragons to become breedable. They are rare and special to those who have them because they're not as easy to get as breedables.

 

That said, from the game side of things (rather than the player side of things), it doesn't make any sense for a dragon with no hope of survival outside the care of the person who found them to be able to breed with more healthy, powerful and dangerous specimens. Ever heard of Osteogenesis imperfecta ('glass bone syndrome', basically)? Imagine a creature with weak bones trying to mate with something that doesn't have that problem.

This.

 

Not every dragon needs to be breedable; even though I do agree that GoNs and NDs are pretty.

 

Logic DOESN'T exist in DC, but NDs are sickly and pretty much resembles a (to me at least) an unhealthy corpse-looking dragon...I don't think it makes any sense for anything BUT another ND to come from an ND, no matter how healthy the other mate is. And since TJ and most of us would never support NDs breeding true......

 

We don't know what Komodo Gallant or Marrionetta means by "crippled" in the ND description, but if something was crippled either way, would a healthy dragon even consider breed with it? Think about it, how in courtship and mating in animals, natural selection makes them want only the best and the healthiest. What dragon would want to breed with a neglected? It's only US that wants to see them in lineages tongue.gif

 

As for your statement about firebreathing dragons mating with deep seas, well, at least both are healthy tongue.gif Not to be on the crude side, but if you've ever seen birds or dogs or other animals, they "do" things with lots of things, not just their own kind. :x They are still, after all, wild things with wild instincts but just cared by us.

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I really wish people would stop asking for nonbreedable dragons to become breedable. They are rare and special to those who have them because they're not as easy to get as breedables.

I have both GoNs and Neglecteds and I find their inability to breed a lot more of an annoyance than something to be proud of. Even if these guys COULD breed, they would never breed their own kind, as I said in my very first post. They would not suddenly become common. They would simply be useable in lineages.

 

Right now, whenever I get something really rare (2nd gen metals, great tinsels, etc) and go to offer it for a Neglected, I always feel a bit uncertain about doing so. Yes, Neglecteds are beautiful and I need them to complete my scroll--but at the same time, once on my scroll they will forever sit around and do nothing for me, whereas metals and tinsels can breed and actually help me out.

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I have both GoNs and Neglecteds and I find their inability to breed a lot more of an annoyance than something to be proud of. Even if these guys COULD breed, they would never breed their own kind, as I said in my very first post. They would not suddenly become common. They would simply be useable in lineages.

 

Right now, whenever I get something really rare (2nd gen metals, great tinsels, etc) and go to offer it for a Neglected, I always feel a bit uncertain about doing so. Yes, Neglecteds are beautiful and I need them to complete my scroll--but at the same time, once on my scroll they will forever sit around and do nothing for me, whereas metals and tinsels can breed and actually help me out.

This. Could make some very nice lineages, especially if you are a god and can continue them.

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It makes little conceptual sense for neglecteds to breed; breeding takes a lot of effort that their frail bodies simply can't sustain.

 

I'm open to the possibility of allowing Legendary dragons to breed, though. I'll think about that for the future.

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