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Make CB Golds **slighty** less rare

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CB golds seem to be rarer than neglecteds and 2G prizes at the moment!

 

Could the rarity of CB golds be reduced a little bit so a few more get into circulation? I'm not saying make them common or even uncommon, just a little less rare.

 

I understand that scripting will naturally be a part of this conversation, but I do not want to see this dicussion focused on scripting. Let TJ worry about what's possible to catch scripting-wise and about if a suggestion will benefit scripters so much it wouldn't be worth it to implement the suggestion. If there's something that needs considered, he'll post about it. ^^
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The rarity of Golds and Silvers has always fluctuated from time to time. If they are exceedingly rare right now they will cycle back eventually, I believe.

 

Not that it makes any difference to me as I have never been able to catch a CB Gold, ever. The two I have were very generous gifts!

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Do not support. Golds are meant to be rare, and some people are just really good at catching them which makes them go that much more quickly. Hang in there and keep hunting. =3

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I haven't seen this to be true. NDs and 2g Prizes are both capable of netting multiple CB Golds atm (when NDs and CB Golds used to be about 1:1). I have seen a few less of them lately, true, but I've also seen a lot more Silvers around. Like Purplehaze said, things will probably adjust eventually.

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No. I don't think that anything needs to be tinkered with as far as true rares are concerned. I have yet to catch my own CB gold in all the years I've been here (my one was a gift), but asking for ratio/rarity adjustments is likely to cause problems in the long run.

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No support. Nowadays, CB Golds are the only breed that still keeps some value when NDs and Prizes are traded. To decrease the rarity would mean that those wouldn't be achievable at all.

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For what it's worth, I think the ratios are in some flux at the moment - Neglecteds are extremely hard to get right now as well (my last four runs were 0/5, 0/5, 5/6, and 1/6). Usually things swing back over a course of weeks or months, and both NDs and golds should eventually become more common again. Therefore, no support here either; I think things are just taking their normal course.

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I find it very hard to comment on any suggestions like this purely because we don't know the ratios.

 

A lot of times, I find that when I'm specifically looking for something, it's harder to find, but when I'm looking for something for someone else, I run across tons. So this could be a case of that. It could also be people breeding their golds more and doing lineage swaps, so you're not seeing them so much in specific trades. And, as mentioned, due to activity and other such things, ratios seem to fluctuation sometimes.

 

All in all, unless golds completely disappear from the caves, I'm not too worried that they're not working as they should be, and I'm therefore okay with how things are. xP

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I'm sure I don't spend as much time as others in the biomes, but.. I've never, ever seen a gold (or silver/copper). I don't know ping times for my internet but I've never felt it was particularly slow.

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I think if there were going to be changes to rare ratios they would need to be for Almandines and Spessartines, which aren't supposed to be rare let alone super rare.

 

I've seen about 3 Golds in the biomes ever, never caught one, but that's sort of the point of them being the ultimate rare :3

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Do not support. Golds are meant to be rare, and some people are just really good at catching them which makes them go that much more quickly. Hang in there and keep hunting. =3

This. All mine were gifts. (And I have ached for a fourth to make 2 pairs for ages. Like maybe 3 years. I've seen about one a month.) There are people using scripts to catch, too, which doesn't help. sad.gif

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I'm sure I don't spend as much time as others in the biomes, but.. I've never, ever seen a gold (or silver/copper). I don't know ping times for my internet but I've never felt it was particularly slow.

Don't feel bad, I spend a lot of time in the biomes and I can count on one hand how many I've seen in all the years I've been here. (I joined just in time for the famous Lagmonster attack) Three Silver, 2 copper, and a whole four gold. and didn't catch any of them.

 

I do not want the ratio's changed, who knows what else it would mess up. Also, pretty sure that the cave calculates all generated eggs the same, so bred golds affect the ratio of what appears in the cave and vice-versa. So, to see more Caveborns, less would need to be bred, and good luck convincing anyone to not breed their gold dragons. (though could be wrong on that, I'm only human)

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In my 5 years of playing I have never seen more than 5 CB Golds. I'm not a dedicated hunter.

 

I think the rarity is fine as it is. They are being sighted, which is enough for me. It means Golds are circulating regularly enough. Rarities do cycle, extremely, and while Golds will never be common they will differ in dropping rate eventually.

 

I wouldn't throw a fit if they became easier to get, but I have no problem with the way things are now.

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This. All mine were gifts. (And I have ached for a fourth to make 2 pairs for ages. Like maybe 3 years. I've seen about one a month.) There are people using scripts to catch, too, which doesn't help. sad.gif

Well, if you know someone who does, report them. :/ Every honest player will thank you for it.

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Well, if you know someone who does, report them. :/ Every honest player will thank you for it.

I have no idea who - if I did, I would. But - well, there is no other explanation for some of the stuff that happens...

 

ETA if you google - there are at times links to forums where people boast about it, and there are links to actual scripts you can use - I have no idea HOW to use such a thing, but I have seen it all typed out in what to me is gobbledegook.

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Maybe you could report the links? I'm not sure if TJ can do anything about them, but it couldn't hurt.

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There is no real point in reporting the link. If users are under a different name on a forum there is no way of knowing what scroll they use for said script so it would be pointless. On too of that one would have to have that solid proof like "I'm xxx on DC and I use a script to get rares [insert rest of comment here]" So yeah.

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There is no real point in reporting the link. If users are under a different name on a forum there is no way of knowing what scroll they use for said script so it would be pointless. On too of that one would have to have that solid proof like "I'm xxx on DC and I use a script to get rares [insert rest of comment here]" So yeah.

 

 

 

 

Well, TJ should certainly know about cheaters who are spoiling the game for members and see all available evidence, whether he can do anything about it or not.

 

 

My personal view is that, considering the type of family site this is, the number of the main base who can afford only older computers/slower connections and the number of people here who simply want various dragons in order to be getting on with lineages and what-not, I don't think extreme rares which many can't even ever see in the Cave are appropriate.

 

When I first joined, by staying up all night for months and refreshing until my fingers almost fell off, even on an antique computer, I was able to catch several each of the CB Golds and Silvers myself.

 

That was a challenge and a personal heart-attack-level triumph every time I caught one.

 

Not even ever seeing metallics or the Pink/Orange Pyralspites is neither.

 

A challenge is something people CAN accomplish, with reasonable time and effort - a virtual impossibility for possibly most players is not.

 

 

Edit: that said, if some way of identifying/preventing scripts from functioning was possible and if the untaken blockers were sent directly off to the AP at every shuffle to be raised toward the ratios as lower-time eggs, over time, the improved ratios and increased biome movement would result in more of such dragons appearing in the Cave.

 

Extreme rarity simply makes cheating worth-while, so the cycle worsens...

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Agreed with Syphoneira.

 

I've said this before. I know nothing about ratios. I know nothing about how the page is scripted, so my opinion is purely based on my personal observations. I don't have a terrible computer, although my connection is an entirely different matter. Anyways, that's not the main issue here, I think.

What I mostly see is several common breeds are way too common. It is not rare to see a biome completely blocked by the same three eggs, and sometimes the shuffle does little to fix that as other cave blockers are prone to occupy that space. Rares are very rare in comparison. I can count with a single hand the times I've seen a silver go past, and a gold only once since 2009. I admit I'm not a dedicated hunter. I don't spend every day logged into DC trying to hunt, and I'm deffinitely not expecting things handed on a silver platter to me just because I'm not willing to stay overnight trying to hunt.

 

However, I do believe the difference in rarity between commons and rares is way too huge. As I said in another post, if you go to a certain part of my country, you will easily see cattle (which are common), deer (which are slightly more uncommon) and if you're patient enough, you'll see wolves (which are rare). The problem I see is golds and silver are not rare as the wolves in this part of Spain, but rare as in unicorn standards. I think they could do with a little tweak in rarity to make them a little bit more avaliable. I know they are supposed to be rare, but in my opinion, they are WAY too rare when compared to how common other dragons are.

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I think if there were going to be changes to rare ratios they would need to be for Almandines and Spessartines, which aren't supposed to be rare let alone super rare.

 

I've seen about 3 Golds in the biomes ever, never caught one, but that's sort of the point of them being the ultimate rare :3

Concurred about the Almandines and Spessartines.

 

That being said, I have my fill of CB golds (2013 was a good year for medium-good catchers to get metallics, and I'm in that niche), and I nonetheless think their rarity is a little bit over the top. The way the CB metallics dropped mid-2013 was good, I felt. We're still not back down to the pre-2013 level of CB metallic drops (thankfully!), but that's also nothing I'd ever want to see returning.

 

That being said, I do think the way they drop now is acceptable. I just also think the situation could be better.

 

(I don't think they're rarer than Neglecteds or 2G prizes, but I still concur with rendragyn that they could be made very slightly less rare to no ill effect.)

 

When the gold and silver ratios started popping out a bunch of CB golds and silvers near the start of 2013, the people who had been able to catch CB metallics before the time spent time in the glut amassing metallics, of course (around that time, even though they were dropping more, I couldn't catch any myself), but that eventually saturated to a point where the playing field was open to the less expert catchers. And I think that was a pretty good time (I managed to catch enough to gift some CB metallics to others).

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Concurred about the Almandines and Spessartines.

 

That being said, I have my fill of CB golds (2013 was a good year for medium-good catchers to get metallics, and I'm in that niche), and I nonetheless think their rarity is a little bit over the top. The way the CB metallics dropped mid-2013 was good, I felt. We're still not back down to the pre-2013 level of CB metallic drops (thankfully!), but that's also nothing I'd ever want to see returning.

 

That being said, I do think the way they drop now is acceptable. I just also think the situation could be better.

 

(I don't think they're rarer than Neglecteds or 2G prizes, but I still concur with rendragyn that they could be made very slightly less rare to no ill effect.)

 

When the gold and silver ratios started popping out a bunch of CB golds and silvers near the start of 2013, the people who had been able to catch CB metallics before the time spent time in the glut amassing metallics, of course (around that time, even though they were dropping more, I couldn't catch any myself), but that eventually saturated to a point where the playing field was open to the less expert catchers. And I think that was a pretty good time (I managed to catch enough to gift some CB metallics to others).

I was under the impression that what happened at the beginning of 2013 had something to do with balancing the ratios, at the time that the cave and breeding rations were still linked. Did I misunderstood?

Wasn't that the time when people were offering handfuls of CB metals for not-so-low gen Prizes?

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I'd actually be okay with a slight tweak to their rarity. CB Gold and Silver rarities are a teensy bit absurd. There's rare, and then there's nigh-unobtainable. I wouldn't mind if nothing happens, though, so consider me neutral to this.

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I was under the impression that what happened at the beginning of 2013 had something to do with balancing the ratios, at the time that the cave and breeding rations were still linked. Did I misunderstood?

There's never been an official statement about it, but the going theory on the RTC forum was that the breeding and cave ratios were decoupled, resulting in oft-bred species dropping en masse to make up for the lack of caveborns of that species (golds, silvers, blacks, stripes, ...). But it's only a theory. That I happen to consider a fact in my private thoughts, but I digress.

 

But yes, it was a one-time glut of metallics. By mid- to late 2013, things had calmed down a little bit, but they were still significantly easier to get than before. I think that lasted until about mid-ish 2014? And has been mostly steady since then (but I might be very mistaken about that, since I stopped being able to see or catch them around then, except when the planets aligned biggrin.gif so I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between "autumn 2014 rarity" and "basically extinct").

 

[ Edit: Also, disclaimer: I am slightly famous for getting my dates confused really badly. So I might be off by a few months in any direction. ]

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There's never been an official statement about it, but the going theory on the RTC forum was that the breeding and cave ratios were decoupled, resulting in oft-bred species dropping en masse to make up for the lack of caveborns of that species (golds, silvers, blacks, stripes, ...). But it's only a theory. That I happen to consider a fact in my private thoughts, but I digress.

 

But yes, it was a one-time glut of metallics. By mid- to late 2013, things had calmed down a little bit, but they were still significantly easier to get than before. I think that lasted until about mid-ish 2014? And has been mostly steady since then (but I might be very mistaken about that, since I stopped being able to see or catch them around then, except when the planets aligned biggrin.gif so I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between "autumn 2014 rarity" and "basically extinct").

 

[ Edit: Also, disclaimer: I am slightly famous for getting my dates confused really badly. So I might be off by a few months in any direction. ]

I have old chatlogs suggesting late February-early April 2012 was a burst of metals after a long, long drought of them. Both bred and CB metals got relatively common, and there was a period where metals were easier to get than seasonals. There were two theories around the burst: mass-release of dragons off burned scrolls (leading to a sudden lack of metallics in the ratios) and general ratio insanity. Ratio insanity was probably the better explanation, as there are several mentions of "ultra-commons" (whiptails etc.) being harder to find than metals.

 

Unfortunately I wasn't playing in 2013 or early-mid 2014 so I don't know if we're talking about the same thing. There could very well have been another burst of metals for all I know. ^^;

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Was it 2013 that TJ started resetting ratios so that dragons which had been on scrolls over a year no longer counted?

 

Or am I talking through my hat again?

 

 

Edit: I don't need no stinkin' punctuation... except maybe here and there...

 

 

Re-edit: thanks, Fiona!

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