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So now that drakes have an egg size in between pygmies and regular dragons, I'd like to suggest that two-headed dragons get a slightly bigger egg than the default egg. I don't think they need to be huge but just a little larger than now.

 

It would help differentiate them, it would match the other restricted breeding groups having a different egg size, and with two heads I think they could be considered a little larger than average (although I don't know many artist ideas for their 2head sizes).

 

This isn't some big or cool change, but how do you all feel about it? Too silly to consider? Fun to add? Doesn't match the size you think of for 2heads? Don't care either way? Size suggestions?

 

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I think it would be nice to have some differentiation given all the other non-standards have changed egg sprites. I dunno how other people feel, but I'd be tempted to say make the egg silhouette different (such as more spherical/oval) but keep it the same size. Since they are the same size as your 'normal' dragons. I'm not however sure on the aesthetics of that; the current silhouette is pretty nice ratio wise

 

I'm really late to the party, but there is always the option of going for eggs shapes that aren't based on birds.

 

I mean frog and fish eggs are almost spherical. Lizards eggs and Crocodillian eggs tend to be more  ovaloid, and snake eggs can be almost cylindrical at times. Dinosaur egg fossils range between ovaloid and cylindrical. And then, bird eggs, while tending to be more conical shaped, can be more ovaloid as well.

 

People have said from what I've scanned that there is no reason that 2-headed dragons would have larger eggs than other dragon breed eggs, and if current options with similar shape to the original egg are not an option, then maybe a new shape entirely is the way to go. That would give the egg a more distinct outline.

 

Bloodscales are well within the size range for an average standard dragon and Nexus, while larger, are also within average size limits as well. Given the massive range of sizes available to standard dragons and the lack of a reason for two-headed dragons to even lay larger eggs (snake eggs that have identical twin snake babs are generally indistinguishable from the other eggs in the clutch to an untrained eye), I don't know that changing two-headed egg size is really worth it.

 

I don't understand the proposed egg that's in all of the recent posts. The first post talks about "different egg sizes." The pygmy and drake eggs have very distinct silhouettes; they share nothing in common with the base egg. The outline I'm seeing, on the the hand, does not have these qualities. It's identical to the base egg except for being a few pixels wider. That's not really "larger," per se, and it's not different enough to be unambiguous without seeing the two in comparison.

 

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Just in case people were wondering, here are all of the cracking sequences I've made:

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Original, 12, 10, 6, Vix+D, 21 (Reminder: 21 was rejected by TJ)

 

sooo... sth more along these lines?

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or user posted image[link] not to go too far with the 'larger'?

or inbetween?

 

I hope you don't mind, but I made one with a rounder top... user posted image I'm not sure I like it either, but I don't know. The top of your egg looks weird when put on a wider egg.

 

Edit: You don't have to use this, was just testing how it would look.

 

 

 

Older Eggs

 

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6: user posted imageuser posted imageuser posted imageuser posted image

 

Putting them side by side with the other eggs, I think 10 looks better.  At least, 10 is more obvious at a glance that it is different.

 

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I straightened out the crack so that it matches the normal egg's crack. I also moved most of the mini branches off of it so that they match up better. Let me know if I went too overboard with anything or if I need to go further with something.

 

So, it seems like these are the top eggs:

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Here's a chart:

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The top eggs are the normal egg outline. Also, FBF means it's the egg made by Fiona BlueFire.

If there're any questions about what I've done, please ask. I'm happy to help and I'm really enjoying working on these eggs.

 

 

How's this idea: user posted image

 

I widened the image by two pixels but left the height unchanged. Just for funzies I made an indent in the top of the egg. There are two heads inside, right? Nothing says 2-headed egg like a two headed egg, right?

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Bloodscales are well within the size range for an average standard dragon and Nexus, while larger, are also within average size limits as well. Given the massive range of sizes available to standard dragons and the lack of a reason for two-headed dragons to even lay larger eggs (snake eggs that have identical twin snake babs are generally indistinguishable from the other eggs in the clutch to an untrained eye), I don't know that changing two-headed egg size is really worth it.

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Different egg sizes are important for drakes/pygmies because you can't tell at a glance that they're going to be different breeding groups. You can with 2-headeds because, well, they have two heads. So I don't think it's needed.

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I feel like it makes sense for these eggs to be slightly bigger.

 

Even though there's a wide range of size that this dragon group can be, the same is true with the pygmies and the drakes. As far as I can see, there's no real reason why drakes couldn't lay the same sized eggs that normal dragons do; and yet they lay slightly smaller eggs.

 

So why not let the one other breeding group have an egg to match it?

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I think it would be nice to have some differentiation given all the other non-standards have changed egg sprites. I dunno how other people feel, but I'd be tempted to say make the egg silhouette different (such as more spherical/oval) but keep it the same size. Since they are the same size as your 'normal' dragons. I'm not however sure on the aesthetics of that; the current silhouette is pretty nice ratio wise

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I think it would be nice to have some differentiation given all the other non-standards have changed egg sprites. I dunno how other people feel, but I'd be tempted to say make the egg silhouette different (such as more spherical/oval) but keep it the same size. Since they are the same size as your 'normal' dragons. I'm not however sure on the aesthetics of that; the current silhouette is pretty nice ratio wise

Ooooo I like that idea. It's a great way to differentiate the different breed! I may try and come up with a silhouette/outline following your suggestion. (If you don't mind.)

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Ooooo I like that idea. It's a great way to differentiate the different breed! I may try and come up with a silhouette/outline following your suggestion. (If you don't mind.)

Yeah, go for it!

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Different egg sizes are important for drakes/pygmies because you can't tell at a glance that they're going to be different breeding groups. You can with 2-headeds because, well, they have two heads.

I can tell at a glance that pygmies are a different breeding group. Drakes aren't as obvious, but any DR-going member whose read the characteristics or any sharp-eyed observant on the forum could probably tell drakes are going to be a different group, too. ;p

 

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Thanks for sharing the sizes of your dragons, Odeen! Interesting and helpful.

 

I think it would be nice to have some differentiation given all the other non-standards have changed egg sprites. I dunno how other people feel, but I'd be tempted to say make the egg silhouette different (such as more spherical/oval) but keep it the same size. Since they are the same size as your 'normal' dragons. I'm not however sure on the aesthetics of that; the current silhouette is pretty nice ratio wise

 

I like this idea as well. It would also fit in well considering Odeen's post.

Edited by SockPuppet Strangler

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Here's the original outline: user posted image

And here are some rounder versions:

Option 1: user posted image

Option 2: user posted image

Option 3: user posted image

Option 4: user posted image

Option 5: user posted image

Option 6: user posted image

 

This is what I've come up with so far. Each option was me attempting to smooth out problems from the one before it. So, in theory, each one should be better than the last. Let me know what you think and if there're specific parts that need fixing or are really good.

 

EDIT: It might be good to note that I didn't change the dimensions of the egg. I only made it rounder.

EDIT 2: The reason they have a white background is because I made these on my phone and for some reason it doesn't like to export into transparent friendly formats. If one of the outlines is liked enough to be used I'll make sure to remove the background on my computer.

Edited by Vrack

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I have no lengthy explanations to add, would just say I would like a different type egg for two heads. Can be bigger but I personally do no not like round/sphere shape for eggs. I really like the current shape we have for eggs.

Edited by Amaterasu-sama

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So, in theory, each one should be better than the last. Let me know what you think and if there're specific parts that need fixing or are really good.

 

That theory checks out with me because from those options, I prefer 6. ^^

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I think I also enjoy the idea of making the egg shape more oval than the idea of making it larger.

 

And of Vrack's eggs, I prefer 6 the most, though it could likely still use some tweaking.

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Alright, here's 6: user posted image

And here are two ways I tried to improve it:

Option 7: user posted image

Option 8: user posted image

These two are closer to the original than 6 is. Because of that, they're not as round as 6.

 

I'm honestly not sure how to make 6 look more natural. It's already very smooth and the original design isn't even perfectly smooth. So... I'll keep trying, but don't expect anything super amazing.

 

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Option 9: user posted image

Eh? I feel like it's still not as round as 6...

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I rather like 6. I think 7 looks too close to the egg we have now. Not sure the difference would show up once you add the markings on the eggs.

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I like the idea of 2-heads having a different egg, and making it rounder makes sense for the situation. I don't have a strong opinion on which version, although 1-4 look almost a little too squared off, like you're trying to squeeze a rounded thing into a box. (which I suspect Vrack already knew, since they fixed it on the later ones)

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I think it would be nice to have different eggs for Two-Headeds, since the other breeding groups already have some unique egg sizes, but if it's not implemented I won't be sad about it. That said though, I definitely think that if the Two-Headeds get different eggs, since we don't really know if the dragons themselves are bigger or smaller than most average dragons it makes sense to keep the eggs the same size, but simply have the shape be different.

If we're going for rounder options I like version 6 and 8 (the only problem with 8 being that it might be too similar to the original egg shape at a glance). Though, maybe we could try "upside-down" eggs, where they taper at the bottoms instead of the tops? Then again, that's based solely on orientation... maybe tapered both ways? But that might create a slimmer appearance, and a slim egg doesn't really say "bulky, multi-headed dragon" to me... hm... Rounder might be best, but I would like to stay away from anything too round. A particularly round egg makes me think of easterns, since many traditional eastern dragons are depicted holding round objects.

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It surely would be useful ~ now when a new release happens I can easily tell if it will be a Drake or a Pigmy ~ but we can't tell if it's going to be a Two-Headed...

 

I like version 6 ☺

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First of all, I don't really think this idea is a necessary change. However, I don't think it hurts anything if it's added so. It may be true that twinned snake eggs are indistinguishable, but I do know that double yolked chicken eggs tend to be larger. It seems to make sense that double-headed dragon eggs would be a bit larger in some way to accommodate the extra bulk of the second head.

 

However, the outlines you have now don't really portray that well, in my opinion. You need to maintain the egg shape while making it distinct from regular dragon eggs.

 

How's this idea: user posted image

 

I widened the image by two pixels but left the height unchanged. Just for funzies I made an indent in the top of the egg. There are two heads inside, right? Nothing says 2-headed egg like a two headed egg, right?

Edited by Fiona BlueFire

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First of all, I don't really think this idea is a necessary change. However, I don't think it hurts anything if it's added so. It may be true that twinned snake eggs are indistinguishable, but I do know that double yolked chicken eggs tend to be larger. It seems to make sense that double-headed dragon eggs would be a bit larger in some way to accommodate the extra bulk of the second head.

 

However, the outlines you have now don't really portray that well, in my opinion. You need to maintain the egg shape while making it distinct from regular dragon eggs.

 

How's this idea: user posted image

 

I widened the image by two pixels but left the height unchanged. Just for funzies I made an indent in the top of the egg. There's are two heads inside, right? Like a conjoined twin. "Conjoined" eggs then. Except they aren't really since they breed true like that. But whatever.

Looks a little funny to me.

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Why, thank you!

 

My point really is that I think you need to maintain the egg shape, which I don't think you can do without changing the canvas. The original is 26x28. What I changed it to is 28x28. You could also try 27x28.

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i think they just think it looks a little funny because of the indent

 

personally i have no issue with it

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since there is a separate breeding group for 2-headeds, they deserve a custom egg shape or size - they're the only breeding group that doesnt' hava a distinguishable egg sprite right now after the DC drake egg update! (I ignore the unbreedables, they can't breed at all:P)

 

 

Visually I like 6 the most.

 

 

The split egg is what I was thinking about at first BUT the trouble is that DC splits shouldn't be considered conjoined twins at all - if they were, they'd be able to breed with regular 1-headed dragons and also would have 1-headed variants! (that's how it works irl)

Also, in case of eggs, twin eggs look pretty normal outside, these rather have just the yolk doubled but without affecting the egg's shell too much if at all - at least that's what you get in case of chicken eggs. They might be a bit bigger or the like though, I believe.

Well, in reality, if there's a polycephallic animal(a conjoined twin/multi-headed that share the body but not heads), a set like this does not only survive poorly(and e.g. such snakes thend to attack the other head! and a conjoined pig can't even stand properly, and in general the conjoined animals tend to zig-zag if trying to move forward; those poor twins/multis are very disabled beings irl) but if a duo/group like this reaches maturity, it breeds regular 1-headed offspring! But well... DC two-headeds obviously don't work like irl two-headeds - irl a two-headed being means conjoined twins, on DC it doesn't work like conjoined twins at all for they inherit the two-headidnes all the time and can't even breed with non-two headed dragons - unlike irl conjoined twins who mostly breed regular single-being offspring and do it with regular single-being mates.

So, because of DC splits not working like irl conjoined twins, I would definitely avoid treating them as twins... DC splits are very peculiar and unlike anything irl.

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However, the outlines you have now don't really portray that well, in my opinion. You need to maintain the egg shape while making it distinct from regular dragon eggs.

 

How's this idea: user posted image

 

I widened the image by two pixels but left the height unchanged. Just for funzies I made an indent in the top of the egg. There are two heads inside, right? Nothing says 2-headed egg like a two headed egg, right?

I was actually planning on making a wider version of the outlines! When I get the chance I'll draft up a couple different versions.

 

Personally, I think the indent that you've made looks weird. I think it either shouldn't be there, or should be more exaggerated. Do you mind if I edit/work on what you've made?

Edited by Vrack

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