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2012-01-19 - Rule Clarification

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I have a suggestion for the 'no nudity' thing. We could do what DeviantArt does and prohibit nudity in certain instances. Of course, on here we would only be able to link to the picture with a warning.

Their policy about it is here, sorry if I'm not supposed to link this.

If we did that, then artistic nudity would still be allowed to be linked, like the statue of David or certain paintings. And it could be modified to fit the forums, I just thought the general idea was a good one.

 

Blessed Be! ~Rain

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I have a suggestion for the 'no nudity' thing. We could do what DeviantArt does and prohibit nudity in certain instances. Of course, on here we would only be able to link to the picture with a warning.

Their policy about it is here, sorry if I'm not supposed to link this.

If we did that, then artistic nudity would still be allowed to be linked, like the statue of David or certain paintings. And it could be modified to fit the forums, I just thought the general idea was a good one.

 

Blessed Be! ~Rain

Trouble is, a policy is just asking to be challenged...

 

*reads policy*

 

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Especially one like that - which maybe a child whose parents aren't happy with them seeing nudity in museums-type art shouldn't see either. It actually contains material which is against the guidelines here !!!

 

But - why would anyone here EVER need to link to art anyway ? Has anyone ever - except for dragon art ? And - suggesting wiki covers paintings etc.

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But - why would anyone here EVER need to link to art anyway ?

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Maybe, just maybe, there are people who are interested in arts of humans?

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Just for clarification, because I really want to know (as standards in my native Germany are very different from US standards - we don't even forbid nudity, for goodness' sake!):

Adult material (Nudity, pornography, or explicit sexual acts)

Where is the line? Would a piece of art detailing a nude person with the pubic area and (if necessary) nipples hidden be considered acceptable? Is the discussion about having sex all right, or does it count as an explicit sexual act?

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wat

 

 

 

 

Maybe, just maybe, there are people who are interested in arts of humans?

I think what Fuzzbucket is saying is that you don't need to link--all you have to do is provide the name of the piece and the artist, or say "just go to X page on Wikipedia" and anybody who wants to find it can do so without you having to link to it.

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I think what Fuzzbucket is saying is that you don't need to link--all you have to do is provide the name of the piece and the artist, or say "just go to X page on Wikipedia" and anybody who wants to find it can do so without you having to link to it.

Exactly. Thanks, KageSora. You don't need a link if it's famous art.

 

And as I said somewhere further up - if you have to go into HUGE detail about search terms to use on google - it probably isn't' something you should link to xd.png

 

ETA @ olympe - the guidelines say NO LINKS to ANY nudity. Including Michelangelo's David !! But saying look in wiki under Michelangelo is OK biggrin.gif

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I think what Fuzzbucket is saying is that you don't need to link--all you have to do is provide the name of the piece and the artist, or say "just go to X page on Wikipedia" and anybody who wants to find it can do so without you having to link to it.

I just don't see why someone should have to bother. A simple (nudity) tag should suffice, really.

 

It could be obscure and non-famous.

 

You make it sound like the instant and leeway is made for "artistic" nudity we're all going to be posting hardcore stuff. Just ban the people who troll that way. Telling a person to go and google a famous piece will expose them to a lot more than just linking to a single picture, anyways, if that's what you're really concerned about.

 

 

 

Oh censorkip.gif this I give up.

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I just don't see why someone should have to bother. A simple (nudity) tag should suffice, really.

 

It could be obscure and non-famous.

 

You make it sound like the instant and leeway is made for "artistic" nudity we're all going to be posting hardcore stuff. Just ban the people who troll that way. Telling a person to go and google a famous piece will expose them to a lot more than just linking to a single picture, anyways, if that's what you're really concerned about.

 

 

 

Oh censorkip.gif this I give up.

I completely agree with Rhea. If there's a warning and someone who doesn't want to see it clicks on it, that's their own fault.

 

Blessed Be! ~Rain

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I personally agree that it's silly to ban some things, but I can see why.

 

It's just easier for the mods to not have to deal with the people who are trying to push the limit, or who are arguing the "But I think it's artistic nudity!" idea to try and make it okay, even if the mods don't agree.

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I have a suggestion for the 'no nudity' thing. We could do what DeviantArt does and prohibit nudity in certain instances. Of course, on here we would only be able to link to the picture with a warning.

Their policy about it is here, sorry if I'm not supposed to link this.

If we did that, then artistic nudity would still be allowed to be linked, like the statue of David or certain paintings. And it could be modified to fit the forums, I just thought the general idea was a good one.

 

Blessed Be! ~Rain

I honestly think DA does a terrible job at describing what is pornographic. Yes, technically they abide by those rules, but there's still plenty on what would be considered pornographic that is not even listed there. Just making a statement that DA's standards are a bad choice to go by.

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I honestly think  DA does a terrible job at describing what is  pornographic. Yes, technically they abide by those rules, but there's still plenty on what would be considered pornographic that is not even listed there. Just making a statement that DA's standards are a bad choice to go by.

Like I said,

it could be modified to fit the forums, I just thought the general idea was a good one.

 

What would you add to the list of regulations?

 

Blessed Be! ~Rain

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I honestly think DA does a terrible job at describing what is pornographic. Yes, technically they abide by those rules, but there's still plenty on what would be considered pornographic that is not even listed there. Just making a statement that DA's standards are a bad choice to go by.

Psh, they don't even abide by their own rules as long as it's got a hot girl in it (preferably multiple hot girls).

 

 

But I agree, DA is a terrible place to use as an example when it comes to any kind of policy, really. They even leave themselves loopholes so they can have excuses to not remove certain content that one cannot argue isn't meant to be pornographic in nature. (From what I've seen, anyway.)

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I just don't see why someone should have to bother. A simple (nudity) tag should suffice, really.

 

It could be obscure and non-famous.

 

You make it sound like the instant and leeway is made for "artistic" nudity we're all going to be posting hardcore stuff. Just ban the people who troll that way. Telling a person to go and google a famous piece will expose them to a lot more than just linking to a single picture, anyways, if that's what you're really concerned about.

 

 

 

Oh censorkip.gif this I give up.

Having rules like those laid out makes the forum more accessible for some of our younger players - this forum where news, help, trading, etc. for the game are most readily available. That's not necessarily about this site shielding or protecting anyone, as can be about creating policy that provides a large opportunity for access for more players.

 

People are talking as if a lack of direct linking makes these hypothetical conversations impossible. It doesn't. People talked about art long before the internet put everything at their fingertips. And maybe there are worse things to see on Google, but nobody here is responsible for the content there. While the clarification of the rules is a response to requests for more straightforward policy, these rules aren't just about GD. There's an entire forum and a great many players that have to be taken into consideration here. And while I get where you guys are coming from, I'm not sure that it's realistic to want the rules to be crafted around some conversation that someone, someday might want to have here, instead of taking into account the needs of all of the players.

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BTW. stop throwing a fit, guys, he says no nudidity, then it means NO nekkid things, even art <.< xd.png

... So, no questioning any rules ever? =V Don't get me wrong, I agree, we need rules, and these rules are certain better than the last, and I think we can all live with them, but that is just kind of ridiculous. We should all have a right to debate and voice our opinions, since that's... kind of what drives this site, as well as a lot of other things.

 

Thanks so much for the clarification of the rules, TJ. Lot nicer now.

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Just for clarification, because I really want to know (as standards in my native Germany are very different from US standards - we don't even forbid nudity, for goodness' sake!):

 

Where is the line? Would a piece of art detailing a nude person with the pubic area and (if necessary) nipples hidden be considered acceptable? Is the discussion about having sex all right, or does it count as an explicit sexual act?

On the first page, someone asked...

 

Does this include nudity in art? I know no one has posted any yet, but I just want to be sure if posting images drawn in a life drawing class are not okay.

 

To which TJ responded with:

I know nudity has a valid place in art, but for simplicity's sake, I'm going to say "no nudity" means "no nudity," whatsoever.

 

 

Rather simple really.

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Having rules like those laid out makes the forum more accessible for some of our younger players - this forum where news, help, trading, etc. for the game are most readily available. That's not necessarily about this site shielding or protecting anyone, as can be about creating policy that provides a large opportunity for access for more players.

 

People are talking as if a lack of direct linking makes these hypothetical conversations impossible. It doesn't. People talked about art long before the internet put everything at their fingertips. And maybe there are worse things to see on Google, but nobody here is responsible for the content there. While the clarification of the rules is a response to requests for more straightforward policy, these rules aren't just about GD. There's an entire forum and a great many players that have to be taken into consideration here. And while I get where you guys are coming from, I'm not sure that it's realistic to want the rules to be crafted around some conversation that someone, someday might want to have here, instead of taking into account the needs of all of the players.

*applauds*

 

Leaves thread biggrin.gif - you may all now slag me off to kingdom come - but I think these guidelines are very good indeed. And now as I leave - a nude link for you all:

 

Here smile.gif

 

Don't look if you shock easily.... xd.png

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Fuzzbucket, they're not wearing any clothes!

 

 

In all seriousness though--I like to critique the art of users on here and provide them with tools to improve. One of the site that I link to often is a gesture drawing website--this includes reference pictures of people and animals alike.

 

There ARE nude models in the picture bank, but you can choose whether you want to see them or not, and I ALWAYS warn people when I post the link.

 

With all that in mind, does that violate the 'no nudity' policy despite giving visitors the option of not seeing them at all?

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Is writing a dragon cave fan fic that has a war theme and posting it in the forums is considered a violation?

 

sorry if I misread some of the rules, I'm in a hurry right now smile.gif

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Is writing a dragon cave fan fic that has a war theme and posting it in the forums is considered a violation?

 

sorry if I misread some of the rules, I'm in a hurry right now smile.gif

That theme is fine as long as you don't write excessive gore or such into it. :3

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