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Almost every release, we get players saying that we need a Completed List release or a release featuring a new artist. This spreadsheet aims to provide a concrete reference point for discussion, instead of relying on people slinging around anecdotal numbers.

 

In response to the "CL Queue" help thread, I put together a table of dragon releases going back to 2013 (in other words, the past 4 years). It lists whether or not a dragon originates from Dragon Requests/Completed Requests, and when new artists were added to the in-cave roster.

 

 

Here it is!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cy8...dit?usp=sharing

 

 

 

Shimmerscales/Prizes and avatars were excluded since their existence was likely pre-mandated by TJ. Holidays, however, are included since they are by submission.

 

All of the information used to make this spreadsheet is public, whether on the wiki or the release thread itself. If there are any mistakes, please inform me in this topic so I can get the data updated.

 

 

 

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CL observations:

 

- Between the Anagallis and the Antarean, we went 11 months (April 2015 - March 2016) without a CL release. However, there were only 7 regular releases within that time period. Between the Antarean and the Glacewing it had been 7 months (March 2016 - November 2016) but 14 regular eggs between them.

 

- 2016 has been the year with the most regular releases (at least in the last 4 years) at 19 -- followed by 17 from 2013. 2015 has the least, at 10, but that was the year the site did sprite updates.

 

- Since the last birthday/May release, there has only been one Completed List dragon, the Azure Glacewing, two if you count the Fire Gems before they were reworked in private (the thread, in 2012, was posted before Process got in-cave). Counting the Fire Gem, that's 2/20, or 1/10.

 

- 61 regular releases since 2013, 15 (+Fire Gem and Falconiform made private) of them from the Completed List. That's about 24%~28%, mostly thanks to 2013, where 8/17 (47%) were from the CL.

 

- If you start counting from 2014, it's 7/44 (16%).

 

 

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In conclusion? My stance is neutral whether the site should introduce more Completed List dragons into the mix since I don't know the staff's side of the argument, but I hope this spreadsheet is helpful for those who were wondering about the statistics.

Edited by TehUltimateMage

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excuse u despise dergun was my first bby pls2not erase my life story kthxbai

 

Joking tone aside, you did miss me as a new artist on the Desipises, and Odeen on the Bloodscales. That's 15 new artists in 4 years, an average of nearly 4 artists a year. That's a pretty good statistic, really, if you ask me--looking at the numbers, I'm not really sure why everyone thinks we need to be adding even more new artists, unless they're just hoping they get added.

 

Also, Pyralspites and Coppers were public/Completed List, and Nhiostrifes were not (hopefully, I didn't miss any other mistakes).

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It does feel there's been a lot of bias. Yah, I get it, some artists are already excellent and signed on and all, but it isn't like there hasn't been a ton of talent floating free in DR, either. Hopefully the new completed list critique process is a sign that TJ's looking to change that, though. If everything that's approved to be there is carefully critiqued to perfection then there's no excuse to not, right? tongue.gif

 

(And this is neither here nor there, but I wish the CL would be given a guaranteed clean out once or twice a year, just so if something still isn't wanted, for whatever reason, the concepters and artists can get their work back rather than having it stuck in perpetual limbo. I know the CL DID get cleaned out a ton even before the full wipe that just happened, so hopefully things are already going this direction. Still wanted to mention it though smile.gif)

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Yah, I get it, some artists are already excellent and signed on and all, but it isn't like there hasn't been a ton of talent floating free in DR, either.

I assume that's why there's an average of almost 4 new artists a year.

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Thanks Piemaster! Made the corrections.

 

Funny how it feels like spriters like you and Odeen and TCA seem to have been with cave artists forever instead of less than four years, haha. Probably why people are asking for new blood all the time when in fact it's not that bad. Though it has slowed down in 2015-2016, unless I'm forgetting people (then again 2015 was entirely in-cave, probably related to all the in-cave updates/sprite revamps that year).

 

Edit: Updated the first post stats as well.

Edited by TehUltimateMage

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I personally wouldn't count myself on the Fire Gems, seeing as all I did was make a base for the S1 hatchling.

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An error: Bleeding Moons WERE on a public CL. I've been stalking the whole process myself.

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Anagallis were also public CL, although they may have been updated a tad privately before release. :3

 

Other than that, some of your commentary is seemingly really random?

Like you mention candelabras were originally a holiday submission (not sure why, though) but not that lunar heralds were originally a prize submission. Why is this an important distinction to make regarding artists, though?

Or "there's only 1 new spriter in the bday release" like this just seems redundant, since you're tracking this over several years anyway? Also, is there a correlation with bdays and new artists? Is there supposed to be?

"would have brought x and y into the cave" Okay, but for valid reasons, this did not happen, so why does it really matter in notes? Unless you're implying it was a personal attack or something?

A bunch of dragons have infoposts, what's special about the xenos that theirs got linked?

It's nice that you credited concept artists for a few concepts, but I'm not sure why this is relevant to the purpose of the sheet? o.o

 

I guess the spreadsheet is just for info purposes, but some of the notes seem to detract from your intended purpose of creating the sheet. o_O

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Most spriters are also listed on the bottom of any released dragon's view page ~ I know only of Soulstones spriter that is anonymous :L

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Huh. I had an itching feeling that Anagalis were CL, but I couldn't find any reference for that. Bleeding Moons I didn't know though, thanks! I've made the corrections. Do you know if there were different concept creators for either of them?

 

@Sock: Thank you for taking the time to go through it! What I had in mind was trying to chart the origin of dragons (concept creators, revamped sprites) and how long it takes to get from concept to creation, but because of lack of information it has been partially scrapped. I've cleaned the notes section up somewhat.

 

Concept creators are still credited, where credit is due. In a lot of Dragon Request threads that I've seen, the concept creator is not the same as the art team.

 

Regarding the February 2017 note, it is relevant to see that TJ would have chosen a new artist, if not for what happened. I'm not looking to rekindle any drama so I have removed their names.

 

@WoLfgIrLyS: There's no list that I know of that shows this information about several dragons all at once. Otherwise you would have to click through each dragon or wiki page to find what you're looking for -- which is exactly what I did.

 

Going to try and compile dragons beyond 2013 when I have time tonight. It would be nice to get some 10-year graphs.

 

 

Edit: first post stats updated.

Edited by TehUltimateMage

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The completed list favorites thread is a great resource. I believe it goes back to 2010. I can't link right now because I'm mobile though.

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