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However, the point remains: Why does one group of people apparently DESERVE an APOLOGY GIFT while all others who have lost stuff due to problems with the site don't?

I believe the reason was, unlike other dragons, the sweetling caveborns were irreplaceable because by the time the glitch was caught, they weren't dropping anymore. (Or the site still thought they had there two/something that prevented them from getting new eggs on their own....I don't remember why anymore, only that they could not do so)

 

The point being, I/you/other people that lost things can go get another cb gold or neglected, other always available dragon. The users effected by the sweetling glitch, could not.

 

 

Personally, I'd be okay with alt owners being able to collect the regular pink ones. but the black should remain exclusive to them. Otherwise it cheapens the gift, which they were. Also, I have Pinks, so I'm not a "selfish elitist that won't share". Not that I don't love the alt sprite, I do. A lot. but it isn't mine, and I can live with that just as I don't have a fogball or a stack of pancakes, and never will.

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Personally, as a Pink owner, I'm in favour of having Alts remain exclusive but Alt owners have Pinks available.

But I'm also in favour of putting the choice of alt exclusivity in the hands of alt owners themselves.

Thank you for proposing more solutions that create an elite. *sarcasm*

 

Either things stay as they are, or Pink owners can get blacks and blacks can get Pinks. That is the ONLY way to make it fair. Giving one set access to one but not the other and the other set access to both is extreme favoritism. Everyone needs to be treated as equally as can be, and giving one set of users an exclusive sprite that the others can't obtain makes the situation we have far worse.

 

Either BOTH sets of users have access to BOTH sprites, or each set has one sprite they can't access. Take your pick.

 

C4.

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I don't want to have to give out warnings of close the thread. Up until now, the discussion was going smoothly.

 

Everyone is allowed an opinion. Whether that opinion is "alts were a gift and are therefore off limits" or "we've lived this long without being able to get this sprite so no" or "I just don't care either way" or "I want the other color available to me" or "both colors being available to everyone is just what's fair", your opinion is valid and allowed. It's 100% okay to disagree with someone's opinion, but please disagree without sniping at each other or insulting each other.

 

Sometimes there isn't a compromise between opinions. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree and realize that TJ is going to weigh all the options and discuss with anyone who needs to weigh in before making any decisions.

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Alright, I've been sitting on this for a while and thinking about. So if it's cool with alt sweet owners (and I actually think their say should trump spriter say, as the spriters have their own pretty special sprites - of course the difficulty here is that we only hear from a small group of forum-going, suggestions-visiting, alt-sweet-owners here, so we don't have a very comprehensive overview of how they feel), here's what I would suggest:

 

Pink and black sweets both have a chance of breeding either pink or black sweets. If your scroll is originally coded for black sweets, you have a higher chance of sweets hatching black. If your scroll is originally coded for pink sweets, you have a higher chance of sweets hatching pink. However, both types of scrolls still have some chance of hatching the other color - just one will be less common for them. Once hatched, the hatchling's color is set.

 

This would not be as limited as what we have now or what is suggested in the OP. This would allow for users to get both sweet colors. This would allow lineages of alternating and otherwise mismatching sweet colors. The biggest con, of course, would be that you couldn't 100% control what color a sweet hatched and since sweets can only breed true once a year, this could make lineages more difficult/frustrating.

I am going to speak up as an alt sweet owner and say that I am opposed to them being distributed. It was done as an apology because I lost my eggs for some unforeseen reason.

 

retired stuff should not have to be redistributed to the masses.

 

Your idea is doable - and if it is done, the chance of an alt pink/black (depending on scroll) MUST be extremely rare (perhaps moreso than alt greens and blacks). But to be honest, I don't want an egg that I chose because of its lineage to suddenly go pink on me. (I do not desire Pink Sweetlings)

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I like the OP's idea, both Pink and Black Sweetling owners would have a chance to collect both sprites, which is always a good thing. CB's value wouldn't be lost, because they're still CB's after all, so I really don't see how they could be any less special if others could only have higher gens. The only difference is that people who love Black Sweetlings would have a chance to also create pretty projects with them (and vice versa) - I always drop or trade Blacks's young, because alternating lines just don't look all that nice to me, but if I had a chance to keep the colours of the 1st gen's I'd surely try to continue the line.

 

I'm sure that at least some of the Black Sweets wouln't mind having some Pink ones on their scrolls either. ;-)

 

But I do agree with the poster above that differently coloured eggs should be more scarce then the parent's colours - to put it simply, Pinks produce more Pinks and Blacks more Blacks. I don't think this should be extremely rare, but small enough of a chance so folks who want their Sweets to breed true would not be left dissapointed.

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Thank you for proposing more solutions that create an elite. *sarcasm*

 

Either things stay as they are, or Pink owners can get blacks and blacks can get Pinks. That is the ONLY way to make it fair. Giving one set access to one but not the other and the other set access to both is extreme favoritism. Everyone needs to be treated as equally as can be, and giving one set of users an exclusive sprite that the others can't obtain makes the situation we have far worse.

 

Either BOTH sets of users have access to BOTH sprites, or each set has one sprite they can't access. Take your pick.

 

C4.

My intention was more to suggest a workable solution that could be malleable to whatever decision was reached than to create an elite. Placing the decision in the hands of the people who are most likely to be affected by the decision seems like the fairest way to make it to me, but if you have a different solution, please suggest it so we can all talk it over.

 

 

As it is, I'd rather like to see a poll added. Now, I know there is some dislike towards this forum's polls, but hear me out. These are the choices I propose:

 

- I own Alt Sweetlings and I want both sprites available to everyone.

- I own Alt Sweetlings and would like pinks, but blacks should remain as they are.

- I own Alt Sweetlings and would like pinks, but I'm not sure about blacks.

- I own Alt Sweetlings and I think things should remain as they are.

- I own Alt Sweetlings and I have a different opinion. (please comment.)

- I own Pink Sweetlings and I want both sprites available to everyone.

- I own Pink Sweetlings and I think Alt owners should have both, but blacks should remain as they are.

- I own Pink Sweetlings and I think Alt owners should have both, but I'm not sure about blacks.

- I own Pink Sweetlings and I think things should remain as they are.

- I own Pink Sweetlings and I have a different opinion. (please comment.)

 

I think that covers everything. In my opinion, if it came down to a flat vote, Alt owners should have a vote weighted towards them, but since (I think?) Pink owners are more numerous, it should even out between us.

 

Personally, I own Pinks and I think Pinks should be available to everyone, but I'm not sure where I stand on Blacks.

On the one hand, they were an exclusive gift, and that should be respected since the giver of the gift doesn't want them to change.

But on the other hand, the gift has been given to the Alt owners, and surely once a gift has been given, it belongs to whoever recieved it? That's why I think that Alt owners should be the ones who ultimately decide what happens.

And then again, as has been said before, what's the point of a collecting game if you can't collect everything? Even if you have to trade with others, that's part of the charm.

 

Spriters' alts are special, as they're a 'thank you' to the spriters who work so hard, but Alt Sweetlings were given for recieving a glitch, which is not the same level of hard work as creating a beautiful sprite, and yet they get a special dragon that breeds true while the spriters have only the single sprite? Let them keep their CBs; they still have bred dragons with special dates between when they were released and whenever, if they ever, get released to everyone else; it would be an amazing thing to see the beautiful sprites avaiable for everyone to share, and Alt owners would have no less because of it.

 

Since even I'm tired of my rambling, I'll get to the point:

 

If the OP isn't around any more, or doesn't want to add the poll, how would people feel about me (or anyone else) adding the above poll to a new thread? Either we could keep it locked to simply be a poll, or we could start fresh with hopefully a little less of the hostility that has been growing between us through the later part of this thread.

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I support making the Pink variant available to everyone. The Black variant was a gift, what is so hard to understand? If you got a gift and someone would come and ask if they can have it, would you give it? If you wished for them you shoul've played when they dropped xd.png

 

On a more serious note, stop complaining. Kila could've gave one of the unused alts but she gave her chosen one instead. Alt owners should be allowed to have the Pink variant. The non-alt owners should not because they were not part of their release and the glitch. If you're going to respond with "not fair only Alt owners get Pink variants", then please keep this oppinion to yourself smile.gif

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As it is, I'd rather like to see a poll added. Now, I know there is some dislike towards this forum's polls, but hear me out.

Suggestions CANNOT have polls any more. TJ disabled them, as they really show nothing except that a few people had a strong opinion at some point - when did any poll here get the thousands of votes that would mean it represented anything ? Also we can't change our votes when the discussion results in a change of mind.

 

These are the choices I propose:

- I own Pink Sweetlings and I think things should remain as they are.

I would run with this IF I were voting. It all happened for a reason. I might JUST be OK with everyone being able to have pinks - but how on earth would that work for breeding ?

 

 

 

 

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Suggestions CANNOT have polls any more. TJ disabled them, as they really show nothing except that a few people had a strong opinion at some point - when did any poll here get the thousands of votes that would mean it represented anything ? Also we can't change our votes when the discussion results in a change of mind.

 

 

I would run with this IF I were voting. It all happened for a reason. I might JUST be OK with everyone being able to have pinks - but how on earth would that work for breeding ?

I don't know if possible but I must say it. tongue.gif

 

Eggs bred from Black Sweetlings would have higher chances of hatching black on alt owner scrolls and eggs from Pink Sweetlings would have a higher chance of hatching pink.

 

OR

 

the Sweetling could get a BSA (not sure if this can be added only for Black Sweetlings) which will automatically make an egg hatch in a black hatchling. If a Pink owner would use it it would have no effect though. This would have no cooldown so Alt owners' eggs would all hatch Pink if they won't use BSA.

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I don't think anyone here is trying to be an elitist. The alt Sweets were a gift from Kila. The users affected by the gltch could have received normal Sweetlings, but she wanted to give them something special instead as a real apology. It wasn't a reward and no one deserved them.

 

However, I agree that it's not a good idea to give only the alt owners access to both sprites. They have their own pairs already, just as the non-alt owners do. All giving them both sets will do is create more drama, which DC already has enough of.

 

I think that the alts/non-alts breeding true on all scrolls would be a nice option. The original alts will still be CB and have special dates; distributing their eggs wouldn't make them "unspecial" in any way, just like the CB Prizes and CB Hollies. For example, a CB Pink Sweetling owner breeds a clutch of 2Gs and they go to the AP. An alt owner picks up one of the eggs and it hatches pink, just like the CB it was bred from. The same would work for CB alt Sweets. This way, the collectors can collect and there's no need to argue about who should get what and when. But I know nothing about coding, so I'm not sure how it would work out. I would be fine with things staying the way they are as well, as I don't have CBs anyway.

 

Also, I would just like to say that laughing at others' opinions, name calling, and telling people to "keep it to yourself" because they don't share your views is just childish.

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I feel that the Sweetlings shouldn't be changed. The black ones were given as a gift, and it would cheapen that gift if everyone was allowed that gift. I know this is a collecting game, but I don't think it's unfair, more that's just how it is.

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Just to note, here's a list of suggestions that several people seem to very much NOT want:

 

- Anything random. We only get one chance at a Sweetling pairing a YEAR, and we want to know what we're getting.

- Breeding true. It'd ruin all of the beautiful alternating lineages!

- A BSA that has to be used to keep Alts black. If Pinks gained the BSA to Pinkify when on Alt scrolls, that could work.

- everything else

- each other

 

Just a few points to note from what I've seen in the thread.

The easiest solution I can think of so far would be a BSA on the dragon your scroll doesn't own to turn an egg its colour.

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Unless everyone was getting CB alt Sweetlings, I don't think it's accurate to say that everyone would be getting the gift that was originally given. I still support Sweetlings following the scroll they hatch on, and being tradeable from there--it'd make bred Sweetlings a lot more enjoyable for a lot of people, and still give a degree of uniqueness to alt-owners, as they'd be the only ones able to hatch alts.

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Unless everyone was getting CB alt Sweetlings, I don't think it's accurate to say that everyone would be getting the gift that was originally given. I still support Sweetlings following the scroll they hatch on, and being tradeable from there--it'd make bred Sweetlings a lot more enjoyable for a lot of people, and still give a degree of uniqueness to alt-owners, as they'd be the only ones able to hatch alts.
(emphasis mine)

 

I agree, and it seems like the easiest and fairest way to give access to both sprites to everyone. (the same mechanic could be applied to Snow Angels...... just saying)

 

As a side note, I would also really like for the Black Sweetlings to be added to the Encyclopedia, especially if ways to get the other variant are veto'ed. Then we could at least look at them (without having to dig through lineages). sleep.gif

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Unless everyone was getting CB alt Sweetlings, I don't think it's accurate to say that everyone would be getting the gift that was originally given. I still support Sweetlings following the scroll they hatch on, and being tradeable from there--it'd make bred Sweetlings a lot more enjoyable for a lot of people, and still give a degree of uniqueness to alt-owners, as they'd be the only ones able to hatch alts.

I like this version. Right now I don't collect Sweetling lineages because having a licorice Sweetling turn pink on my scroll ruins it for me and I'm not as fond of the pinks. My scroll is pink coded, as most are. If I could trade for licorice babies I'd probably do so.

 

And the idea that Snow Angels could be handled the same way is appealing. I also don't collect Snow Angel lineages for the same reason. My scroll is coded for the white winged ones, which is my least favorite color. If I could trade for multi-colored or gold winged lineages I probably would. Having them turn white winged on my scroll spoils them.

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