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Here's a unique and probably fatally flawed idea: TJ sets up a random thingy that periodically dumps a (or several) CB Prizes to the AP. No raffles, No events, no store. No debates on who or how or codes or emails. Just "POP" - Prize in the AP!

I like that idea. I like it very much. I don't care if would be possible to trade them or not, I just want CBs and, if I was to catch one, I would just keep it.

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How would it even work to try and code it to limit how many you can get from a specific batch? I don't think the site acknowledges any particular dragon as being special. There are breed limits yeah, but again, non-CBs would likely mess those up. Wasn't there a time where you couldn't pick up bred Holidays if you owned CBs?

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I can think of one way to do it, but it would require coding the CBs being dropped in the AP as a separate 'species' that breed normal prizes- kinda like how the Bright Pinks were made to breed the new Pinks.. but imagine that except both 'species' would have the same sprites.

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I don't know that I like the AP idea. It just seems kinda messy and disorganized and inefficient. Now, I'm an avid AP hunter (*shakes fist at Holly Contest*) and usually the vast majority of my dragons except during new releases come from the AP. But generating a bunch of CB prizes to throw them in the AP... well, it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO. I'd rather a more regular, established way of distributing CB prizes.

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I'm not a fan of dropping CBs randomly into the AP. Not everyone wants to or even can spend a lot of time hunting the AP, and it WOULD take a lot of time to have any real chance of hitting that magic time when they drop. Every bred tinsel and shimmer would be frantically picked up and thrown back in disgust for being wrong.

 

It would certainly be a way of getting them out there, but I don't think it's a good way. Not like a system where they can be earned by everyone would be. (that kind of system could be pretty simple, like adding a little bit of code to the holiday events we already do) I even like a new raffle better than sending them to the AP. The raffle at least isn't based on how much disposable time you can spend sitting on a page, refreshing.

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How would it even work to try and code it to limit how many you can get from a specific batch? I don't think the site acknowledges any particular dragon as being special. There are breed limits yeah, but again, non-CBs would likely mess those up. Wasn't there a time where you couldn't pick up bred Holidays if you owned CBs?

Eh, I have absolutely no coding knowledge whatsoever and have no idea how it works. I was just trying to think of a way that would be better than AP grabbing. Reading Sock's and PF13's responses made me look critical at the AP idea and they changed my mind. I was in support, and now I am not. The AP idea isn't really something I would particularly like, even if I hunt the AP constantly and can grab things fast. They're right - we need organized ways of distributing CB Prizes.

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On Facebook, TJ gave away a free 2nd Gen Holly.

I really hate the idea that he gifts things on facebook. I and many others here won't touch the noxious place. It ISN'T part of DC. It's one thing having an FB page; it's quite another having it so that people who avoid it miss out on actual game stuff.

 

I'm going off the AP idea now, too. I'd rather it were something more organised that we could all know about and access.

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Giving things away there wouldn't be so bad if it didn't undercut everyone who's waiting on the thuwed list. I have never seen that list open.

 

But as for the AP idea.. I think the thing is though, it's more appealing than another raffle. AP would definitely not be my first choice, but it's much better than that.

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I really hate the idea that he gifts things on facebook. I and many others here won't touch the noxious place. It ISN'T part of DC. It's one thing having an FB page; it's quite another having it so that people who avoid it miss out on actual game stuff.

 

I'm going off the AP idea now, too. I'd rather it were something more organised that we could all know about and access.

Then don't be part of the giveaway? It's not like you missed an entire dragon breed.

 

 

I'd still prefer the raffle over the AP personally, as AP would just make them the new scripted CB golds and things for people who hunt at 3AM. Same as cave rares. If you haven't hunted for CB golds, they NEVER drop and you basically have no chance unless everyone else is asleep.

 

And yeah, there will be a lot of AP flailing as people pick up bred prizes and throw them around.

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NO - my point is that things actually a part of game play should not happen on unconnected sites.

 

Even if I had wanted to join in - I have no facebook account, so end of. That makes it unfair. A lot of younger players aren't allowed on facebook.

 

And as I have said before - there's nothing that will completely stop scripters - but there really aren't that many of them. Those that there are tend also to be multiscrollers (you might put the effort many of us do into trying to find and report those, BTW...)

 

Make the CBs untradeable - wherever they come from. THAT would at least mean multiscrolling scripters couldn't do that much with them.

 

Oh and don't forget that your 3 am may well be my 8am (didn't look to see where you are.) This is an international site.

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NO - my point is that things actually a part of game play should not happen on unconnected sites.

 

Even if I had wanted to join in - I have no facebook account, so end of. That makes it unfair. A lot of younger players aren't allowed on facebook.

 

And as I have said before - there's nothing that will completely stop scripters - but there really aren't that many of them. Those that there are tend also to be multiscrollers (you might put the effort many of us do into trying to find and report those, BTW...)

 

Make the CBs untradeable - wherever they come from. THAT would at least mean multiscrolling scripters couldn't do that much with them.

 

Oh and don't forget that your 3 am may well be my 8am (didn't look to see where you are.) This is an international site.

TJ giving away an egg isn't really a "huge DC thing" so yes, it seems fine to post it elsewhere. I don't have a facebook either, but i'm not whining because it wasn't on DC. Would you prefer he have not have posted it at all just because you couldn't get it?

 

I'd love to see your proof on "there aren't many of them" as well, since it's not like they actually get IP banned. They just make a new scroll.

 

And 3AM, 8AM, regardless. It still means "most of the US is asleep". The point isn't that it's a specific timezone, the point is that CB golds are nearly impossible to grab due to their rarity, the people hunting them, and yes, the people running bots on the biomes. Prizes would not be any better - and making them untradable just means that anyone who cannot hunt reliably in the AP (due to slow internet, or other reasons) will be unable to ever get a CB prize.

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TJ giving away an egg isn't really a "huge DC thing" so yes, it seems fine to post it elsewhere. I don't have a facebook either, but i'm not whining because it wasn't on DC. Would you prefer he have not have posted it at all just because you couldn't get it?

 

I'd love to see your proof on "there aren't many of them" as well, since it's not like they actually get IP banned. They just make a new scroll.

 

And 3AM, 8AM, regardless. It still means "most of the US is asleep". The point isn't that it's a specific timezone, the point is that CB golds are nearly impossible to grab due to their rarity, the people hunting them, and yes, the people running bots on the biomes. Prizes would not be any better - and making them untradable just means that anyone who cannot hunt reliably in the AP (due to slow internet, or other reasons) will be unable to ever get a CB prize.

No, I would prefer he hadn't posted it because a very large number of players couldn't get it. I probably wouldn't have seen it in IRC or the Thuwed thread either - but at least they are a part of the enterprise.

 

"Most of the US is asleep" - can you show me that MOST of the players here are from the US - and anyway, as you will know,

"Most of the US is asleep" isn't something you can realistically say, given that you have a vast range of time zones.

 

I used to play on very shaky dialup. I got several silver CBs, and saw many golds - though never caught them. This game DOES take patience. I would like that patience to make us all able, with patience and work, to get a CB prize. Of each kind actually. I could live - easily - with a holiday type limit of two for each type. But it should be workable for, not a matter of chance.

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This is getting off topic again, but remember TJ may own the game but he is a player too, if he wants to offer a egg on facebook, he can just like anyone else who plays can.

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No, I would prefer he hadn't posted it because a very large number of players couldn't get it. I probably wouldn't have seen it in IRC or the Thuwed thread either - but at least they are a part of the enterprise.

 

"Most of the US is asleep" - can you show me that MOST of the players here are from the US - and anyway, as you will know,

"Most of the US is asleep" isn't something you can realistically say, given that you have a vast range of time zones.

 

I used to play on very shaky dialup. I got several silver CBs, and saw many golds - though never caught them. This game DOES take patience. I would like that patience to make us all able, with patience and work, to get a CB prize. Of each kind actually. I could live - easily - with a holiday type limit of two for each type. But it should be workable for, not a matter of chance.

Why does it matter? If a Holly owner wants to post their offspring on facebook, twitter, or whatever, it's their choice. It doesn't matter if it's TJ or not. You aren't entitled to say exactly when and where every rare 2G dragon should be posted.

 

 

And yes, a lot of players are from the US is asleep when it's around 3AM in various US timezones. I can realistically say that yes, most people are sleeping at 3AM.

 

 

And patience for you may be hunting the cave - but for others, they literally cannot catch them. Not to mention CB golds and CB silvers are much harder to get than they were originally.

CB Metals in the cave are literally a matter of "chance". It takes reflexes as well, but if you have bad luck, you aren't going to see one at all. It's being in the right place at the right time.

 

 

I'd rather have the Raffle, or an Event holiday, than dropping in the cave or AP.

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I hope for the store. And yes, TJ is a player too; fair cop. It's just that he FEELS like an official part of the game laugh.gif

 

But the fact that a lot of Americans on EST are asleep at 3 am does not mean that most of the players of DC are asleep at that time. A giveaway in the AP (not that I'm saying that's a good idea) at 3 am cave time would find LOADS of people there to catch it !

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Then don't be part of the giveaway? It's not like you missed an entire dragon breed.

 

 

I'd still prefer the raffle over the AP personally, as AP would just make them the new scripted CB golds and things for people who hunt at 3AM. Same as cave rares. If you haven't hunted for CB golds, they NEVER drop and you basically have no chance unless everyone else is asleep.

 

And yeah, there will be a lot of AP flailing as people pick up bred prizes and throw them around.

but fb isnt the official site of dragcave and i think its pretty censorkip.gif** that he gave away a second gen holly a rare and valuable dragon didnt even mention it on the mainsite

Edited by SockPuppet Strangler

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As far as "everyone's asleep" goes, there are *always* tons of users in the New Release threads, no matter what time they go up. Just because you are asleep at midnight or 3am doesn't mean everyone else is.

 

I could get behind the AP drops as long as they *were* tradeable. Some people genuinely don't have the ability to catch eggs that go so fast, whether due to connection speeds or reflexes. I would want to know that I have a tiny little chance of being able to trade for one, instead of relying on my crappy internet and shaky reflexes.

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TJ has given away dragons on Twitter too at one point--I never got any, but I saw that he did. It's his game, he can give them away on whatever medium he wants. (I wish he didn't, but he can.) And he has mentioned in the past that he is trying to make sure that he reaches everyone in all timezones, not just those in the US. Releases at 12 am or 3am aren't the best, but if you want an egg, you do what you can to get it.

 

I probably won't ever catch prizes in the AP, but I could at least have a chance at them on the site. Like many others, I would prefer a more stable method, but I would not be adverse to AP appearances with a 2-egg per appearance limit.

 

PS: I've hunted many times at 3am and it's often just regular commons and uncommons. That's not when all the rares just magically appear in cave after site maintenance.

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but fb isnt the official site of dragcave and i think its pretty censorkip.gif** that he gave away a second gen holly a rare and valuable dragon didnt even mention it on the mainsite

And TJ is a player, too, and him giving away offspring of his own, personal dragons isn't a part of gameplay. TJ is not obligated to offer offspring of his dragon to anyone, whether on the cave (such as the thuwed page), the forums, facebook, or twitter. If he wants to, he can, and that is a generous offer. But his dragon offspring is not some official part of DC play, and he is under no obligation to make sure that every single user can see when he decides to gift a dragon.

 

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That being said, we're getting off-topic here discussing how users believe TJ should play the game. The topic is bring back cb prize dragons, not "what TJ is and isn't allowed to do with his dragons". Let's get back on topic, thank you!

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I think dropping CB prizes in the AP would be fairer if there was a one-per-account and not tradeable, at least at first. Then eventually it would be like the little trees: the people who don't have them can find and catch them even though they're rare because the other people looking at it already have theirs. Once they get decently saturated, TJ could consider increasing the limit (maybe to one per breed/color).

 

I still wouldn't particularly like the idea, but strict limits and them not being tradeable would make it at least something close to fair.

 

(not tradeable so that someone who is confident in their ability to catch more, or a multiaccounter, wouldn't be able to catch them and trade them for stacks of rare stuff)

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As much as I don't like limits, I feel that I have to agree with PF13. I'd rather see a limit like with the leetle trees than an in-cave release of Shimmers and Tinsels without limits.

 

That being said, I still prefer other options. (Shop, holiday event, trophy)

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It seems like the current range of choices for getting CB Prizes back in the game are:

(from most liked in the thread to least liked in the thread)

 

1) The Store/Trader's Canyon

- Which may or may not happen (Currently: no confirmation by TJ)

- If it does happen, it won't be anytime soon and possibly not in the same way that the request is currently designed.

- Loss of "Prize" association

- Places a price tag on dragons that may make it difficult for different players to afford the dragons due to differing play styles

- Current design allows you to buy as many prizes as you can if you have the points for it, but getting points is limited to a weekly cap

--- Points are gained through catching eggs, raising dragons, breeding, and using BSA's

- Allows you to accumulate enough points to buy a Prize Dragon every 4-5 months if you stockpile all your points, consistently max out your weekly cap, and don't spend on anything else

 

2) A Prize for Completing [insert Holiday] Event

- 1 Prize Dragon of the player's choice per event per year (so you can only get a single CB prize a year for completing any one of the holiday events that year)

- Alternative: Chance to win 1 Prize per holiday event (Max of 3 prizes a year)

- Relatively easy way to get CB's; just require event completion

- Number of CB obtainable is limited

- Unable to get CB Prize if miss the event

- Maintains "Prize" association

 

3) A Prize for a specific Mini-Game

- 1 prize of the player's choice per completion of mini-game

- May or may not be tied to specific Dragon Cave Events

- May or may not be able to play multiple times to get more CB Prizes

- May restrict access to CB Prizes for players who can't play [insert mini-game here] well

- Maintains "Prize" association

 

4) Earning a "Prize" for reaching Achievements (ex: raising/breeding/catching [insert number] Dragons)

- Prizes given from bronze to gold as ascending number of achievements are met

- May be unattainable for players with certain play styles

- Possibly tie getting CB Prizes to trophies?

---- (Will people who already have gold trophies get all the Prize dragons or just gold versions or no prizes at all?)

- Alternative: Win prize for [insert time length] of active play

---- (What defines active play?)

- Maintains "Prize" association

 

5) "Summon" a Prize Dragon via a BSA of a Dragon

- Can get Prize eggs via a similar mechanic to Summoning GoN's, with all the pros and cons of the "Summon" BSA

- May force players to collect a dragon they were never intending to collect to get the Prize dragons

- Relies on chance for summoning the Prize

- May take years to get prizes if not enough of [insert Dragon breed]

- Loss of "Prize" association, but maintains reward aspect (reward for successful summon)

 

6) Release in the Cave

- Functions as essentially another shiny rare dragon breed, with all the pros and cons of another shiny rare breed

- Obtainable in the cave to all players

- May be all year round or limited to Holiday Seasons

- No limitations on number or color other than set rarity,

- Biggest influences are outside the game: internet quality, computer age, and the player's physical ability

- May lead to discrepancy in scrolls seen in other CB shiny rares

- May affect trading market similar to other shiny rares

- Good luck finding one

- Good luck catching one

- Loss of "Prize" association, but maintains victory aspect ("You caught a rare!")

- Potential: Much more likeable if the release makes the Prize dragons very common

 

7) Lotteries

- A Raffle like give a way of CB Prizes (See Raffles for more info)

- Similar pros and cons as Raffles: Random chance, small pool of winners, possible warping of trade market; exacerbated effects of loss of CB prizes due to small numbers in circulation

- Not associated with events

- Weekly, Monthly, Quarterly, or other time frames for the lotteries (Just not yearly)

- May lower anxiety and toxic nature of raffles by making them more common and predictable

- Removal of custom codes to make it easier for Prize dragons to be distributed

- Potential: Adds on blacklist for those with bad behavior during lotteries

- Potential: Creates rule to let winners repeat getting a prize every [insert time length]

- Potential: Unclaimed Prizes get dropped in to the AP for people to find. (Imagine finding that.)

- Maintains "Prize" Concept

 

8) Raffles

- Relies solely on chance for players to receive Prize Dragons

- No Longer active at the moment

- Tied to the Winter Holiday Events

- Led to the current situation of a near minuscule amount of players with total control of CB Prize Dragons and low lineage offspring

- Pushed the trading market in the favor of the few players with the CB Dragons

- Loss of breeding CB Prizes from Scroll Burning (multi-scrollers), Frozen Dragons, Released Dragons, Unclaimed Prizes, In-active Players, etc. have an incredible effect on number of CB Prizes and Low gen offspring due to the low number of dragons handed out by this mechanism

- Tends to bring out a toxic atmosphere amongst the playerbase that pits winners against losers

- Maintains "Prize" Concept

- A Very disliked option

- VERY.

 

Honorable Mention

9) Any one of the above

- Players that just want CB Prizes in some way or form and don't care too much about the method.

 

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Anything I am missing? Any suggestions on changing the order?

 

Note: This order is not my personal order, but just from what I got from following the thread.

- Numbers 1 and 2 look most liked to me, while Numbers 6, 7, and 8 look most disliked.

- Numbers 3 through 5 are not nearly as clear as which one is more disliked than the other.

 

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Feel free to update the list. I stopped paying attention to this thread, after awhile.

Just to bring up the options we are arguing over.

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Just to bring up the options we are arguing over.

Celly, maybe you could quote this post in the OP so the options are easily referenceable?

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Celly, maybe you could quote this post in the OP so the options are easily referenceable?

 

 

what page is it on originally so i can quote it?

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