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Sooo true! xd.png That would really help. A lot. Then again, such a "help tool" would hint that this kind of breeding is wrong for some reason. Which, within the game, it is not. *sigh* It would still be handy to have.

As I mentioned in my reply to Fuzzbucket, I still think a simple "inbreeding does not have negative effects" explanation next to it would clear up the only real problem, which is the chance of misleading newbies who aren't sure about things yet. For anyone who's been playing the game a while or visited the forums extensively it's pretty obvious that inbreeding is just a trait some dislike as opposed to a real harmful thing, so I still think it would be a useful tool. What, are people who like inbreeding dragons going to get offended and cry because other people have a choice to screen their dragons for inbreeding?

 

Personally I try to give all my dragons descriptions (and thus personalities) so pixels or not I dislike inbreeding them. It feels like I'm making my original characters inbred, ickkk <XD;;

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How about this as a compromise: When choosing a dragon as a mate for your breeding attempt, you have two options now: breed and preview progeny lineage. If you choose preview progeny lineage, you can then either choose to proceed with breeding or to choose a different mate or - if TJ is so inclined to code it, to abort breeding.

 

 

This would not give you any warning about inbreeding unless you check for it manually - which, in many cases, will be easy to spot as you'd be about to breed closely related dragons or dragons that are inbred in the first place. (It's obviously your own responsibility to somehow mark your inbreds, or know their names by heart or whatever.) It would also help with accidentally clicking the terribly inbred 25th gen black instead of the CB black you wanted to mate your (holiday?) dragon to. However, it does not imply that inbreeding is wrong. If you want to create a beautiful inbred lineage, and you use the preview feature, you'll just see your beautiful inbred lineage as some sort of confirmation that you got the correct mate.

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I would like this. More than once whilst mobile I've clicked the wrong mate. What's worse is that they produced.

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I'm kind of on the fence with this one. I guess I'm just wondering how often misbreeding happens that we would need to add another set of confirmations to go through every week. Don't get me wrong, I've misbred before, but the amount of times compared to the amount of breeding I've done is incredibly miniscule. Is this something that's really happening to people with enough frequency that it merits this kind of double checking from the site?

 

To be honest, I think I'd rather misbreed 1 in 500 times rather than have to do the confirmation thing 500 times. I'd actually be against the suggestion because of that, except for the idea put forth that it could possibly be made optional.

 

You're acting like providing an inbred-checker option is some type of real-life stereotyping or something. Even if in-game there is nothing wrong with it, the fact is that there are players (and a fair number of players) who don't want to inbreed dragons. Accordingly it'd be nice if those players had a way to check faster than by having to pull up individual lineage pages or use an off-site checker.

 

If someone wants to inbreed dragons, they're going to do so whether or not there's a built in checker for them. And if someone is so impressionable that they will be eternally put off from breeding inbreds because the presence of an inbred-checker suggests it's undesirable, well then uh, those people are silly and I really don't care. If they want to be bossed around by the subtle implications of a simple in-game tool, than that's their problem.

 

And as mentioned, it would be a choosable option, so it wouldn't in any way slow down people running inbred lineages.

Except that it becomes everyone's problem when the site has to go through the lineages of all the dragons bred to check if there will be inbreeding. Especially with so many people having hundreds of dragons and so many dragons have longer lineages.

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Except that it becomes everyone's problem when the site has to go through the lineages of all the dragons bred to check if there will be inbreeding. Especially with so many people having hundreds of dragons and so many dragons have longer lineages.

I really don't think it would be a big deal. Coding already instantly knows that male dragons can only breed with females and vice-versa; perhaps inbreds could have some type of invisible coding "tag" that would set off an alarm if you have the inbred check selected and try to breed with them. That'd prevent the cave having to run through the entire lineage more than once.

 

Or, y'know, I'd even be happy if there was just some type of tag text you could add to dragons that only you could see, that would be visible when you go to breed. Little markers like "CB" or "inbred" or "3rd gen stair w/marrows" would make breeding immensely easier to sort through.

 

 

 

 

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How about this as a compromise: When choosing a dragon as a mate for your breeding attempt, you have two options now: breed and preview progeny lineage. If you choose preview progeny lineage, you can then either choose to proceed with breeding or to choose a different mate or - if TJ is so inclined to code it, to abort breeding.

 

 

This would not give you any warning about inbreeding unless you check for it manually - which, in many cases, will be easy to spot as you'd be about to breed closely related dragons or dragons that are inbred in the first place. (It's obviously your own responsibility to somehow mark your inbreds, or know their names by heart or whatever.) It would also help with accidentally clicking the terribly inbred 25th gen black instead of the CB black you wanted to mate your (holiday?) dragon to. However, it does not imply that inbreeding is wrong. If you want to create a beautiful inbred lineage, and you use the preview feature, you'll just see your beautiful inbred lineage as some sort of confirmation that you got the correct mate.

I like this suggestion. It would make it a lot easier to check lineages and as a breeding double check. To the people who say it takes too much time, think about how often you incubate, teleport, influence, abandon etc. No one ever suggested taking that away and if it's optional then it won't affect you if you don't want it to and the people who want it can have it.

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I don't support, sorry. It would just be annoying. I understand pop-ups for bigger things like killing or abandoning, where you could loose an egg forever, but not for something that's only consequence is a week cool-down.

 

However, I would support it if it was optional, seeing as many users do support it.

 

How about this as a compromise: When choosing a dragon as a mate for your breeding attempt, you have two options now: breed and preview progeny lineage. If you choose preview progeny lineage, you can then either choose to proceed with breeding or to choose a different mate or - if TJ is so inclined to code it, to abort breeding.

 

 

This would not give you any warning about inbreeding unless you check for it manually - which, in many cases, will be easy to spot as you'd be about to breed closely related dragons or dragons that are inbred in the first place. (It's obviously your own responsibility to somehow mark your inbreds, or know their names by heart or whatever.) It would also help with accidentally clicking the terribly inbred 25th gen black instead of the CB black you wanted to mate your (holiday?) dragon to. However, it does not imply that inbreeding is wrong. If you want to create a beautiful inbred lineage, and you use the preview feature, you'll just see your beautiful inbred lineage as some sort of confirmation that you got the correct mate.

 

I would really like this though.

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NO WARNINGS about inbreeding.

 

There is nothing WRONG with it.

This. We said a while back in another topic the only way to make this fair is to also include a warning for if two dragons will not be inbred.

 

But this topic isn't for inbred discussion, so please bring it to one of this topics:

Inbreeding Prevention Idea: http://forums.dragcave.net/index.php?showtopic=103211

Or any other topic on marking bred dragons in some way. ^^

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As I mentioned in my reply to Fuzzbucket, I still think a simple "inbreeding does not have negative effects" explanation next to it would clear up the only real problem, which is the chance of misleading newbies who aren't sure about things yet. For anyone who's been playing the game a while or visited the forums extensively it's pretty obvious that inbreeding is just a trait some dislike as opposed to a real harmful thing, so I still think it would be a useful tool. What, are people who like inbreeding dragons going to get offended and cry because other people have a choice to screen their dragons for inbreeding?

 

Personally I try to give all my dragons descriptions (and thus personalities) so pixels or not I dislike inbreeding them. It feels like I'm making my original characters inbred, ickkk <XD;;

I do know what you MEAN - but the fact that it is a WARNING gives the suggestion that there is something WRONG with inbreeding - which - as that long thread pointed out in spades - is not true.

 

You don't "warn" about something that is perfectly OK. That's kind of like "Warning: No potholes ahead"....

 

I don't care for myself, as I know there is nothing wrong with it - but you have only to look at the number of new players who ASK if there is.... not to mention some of the stunning inbred lineages.

 

I suppose something along the lines of "these dragons share some ancestors" doesn't carry the same implication... But I think serious breeders do KNOW which of their dragons are inbred anyway.

 

As Socky has just agreed with me, I see - sorry; must have jumped a page....

 

But my issue would not be so much with the "are you sure it's the right dragon" as the fact that I did on one absent minded occasion breed when I only meant to find a dragon. That is why I'd like it. Too many tabs open; I was on my way to CHECK the dragon to see if it was the right linage and instead of clicking on the link to its own page, I clicked on the breed link with the one I was going to breed with the dragon I was looking for if it was the one I meant. WHICH, of course, it wasn't. MY FAULT entirely.

 

Like yesterday when I almost abandoned a valuable hatchie I was planning to name. WHEW and that ! - but that's why I'd like a warning. To make sure I don't simply do an action I didn't intend.

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No.

Unless there's an option to turn it off globally, for my scroll.

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Absolutely not.

 

Unless I can turn the feature off.

 

I mass-breed Metallics weekly and do not want to put my password in EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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Like I said in my first post, I'd like this option if it was an option and one that people could turn off if they don't want it. But I'm 100% against using it as a way to stop inbreeding. There's nothing wrong with it. Some people might not like inbreeding, but that's their choice. Other people do and that's completely for them to decide if they want to do it.

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I like this suggestion. It would make it a lot easier to check lineages and as a breeding double check. To the people who say it takes too much time, think about how often you incubate, teleport, influence, abandon etc. No one ever suggested taking that away and if it's optional then it won't affect you if you don't want it to and the people who want it can have it.

But those things you mention do permanent things to your dragons, whereas a breeding mistake just means waiting another week and trying again. Also, those are things you do with eggs you actually have. You can do tons of breedings for a relatively small amount of eggs, so it's like taking all of those other varifications and then multiplying them by 2 oir 3.

 

The thing is that the point of the game is to accumulate dragons, and the more you get the more of a time consumer this would be. What's negligible with 100 dragons isn't as easy with 1,500. That's one of the reasons that people with large amounts of dragons are always asking for sorting tweaks.

 

And while it is true that it won't necessarily be an issue if it's optional, I think you'll find that most people will continue to debate it because there's no guarantee that it would be optional, so they want to make sure to hit all the pros and cons of this. After all, there are a lot of people who would like to turn off verifications all together, but that's not optional (although, despite my frustration with them at times, I do see the point in them not being an opt in/out thing).

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dido on the if it's default off.

 

I only check my scroll once a week for GoN tries (this one worked woo!)

And snagging pygmies (neglected to grab any when they released)

 

The time for a misbreed doesn't do much.

 

and if it bothers you THAT much,

just hide it until it dies. Do a custom sort order that places the egg at the very back of your scroll and forget about it.

 

 

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Why not just name the dragons? I have whatever their name is with CB after it, or 2G or 3G, then I know if I am breeding this CB, I can choose another CB, or continue a stair or whatever...if you don't want CB in your names, do complementary names or words or something.

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Why not just name the dragons? I have whatever their name is with CB after it, or 2G or 3G, then I know if I am breeding this CB, I can choose another CB, or continue a stair or whatever...if you don't want CB in your names, do complementary names or words or something.

I absolutely hate having to put markers in the names themselves, or having to stuff even just an extra "complementary" name or whatever on to the end. I find simple, majestic names a lot nicer than ones with a lot of clutter in them, whether they be my own dragons or ones I'm trading for. Nothing ruins a sick name like "Marrow" or "Silimander" or whatever the case may be like having someone tack on a goofy CB tag behind it. :'c

 

 

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or having to stuff even just an extra "complementary" name or whatever on to the end.

I was thinking more like naming one salt, and one pepper, or anything that goes well in pairs. Left and right, Anti and social, so on and so forth.

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Please add this! I misclick stuff all the time, I don't want it happening for breeding!

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dido on the if it's default off.

 

I only check my scroll once a week for GoN tries (this one worked woo!)

And snagging pygmies (neglected to grab any when they released)

 

The time for a misbreed doesn't do much.

 

and if it bothers you THAT much,

just hide it until it dies. Do a custom sort order that places the egg at the very back of your scroll and forget about it.

It's not the egg that bothers me, I can abandon it if I don't want it. The part that annoys me is having finally found the perfect mate, finished the cool-down from last week, and then clicking on a 4G geode instead of the 2G golden wvyren. And if you don't want to enter your password in, what if it was like the description rating pop-up? A little bubble pops up you click yes or no and you're done. It might not be as effective as the password, but it may be a good middle-ground.

 

EDIT: Typos much?

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Yes, I am one of the anti-nanny-state folks.

 

The only way I support yet more confirmation pop-ups is if I have the option of turning it off.

 

I'd love to have the option of turning off ALL the confirmations - entering passwords, retyping action names, incessant click this, click that.

 

It's one of the most annoying thing about Windows (especially when you've got the option to restore things from your Recycle Bin) and programs that take after Windows.

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How about this as a compromise: When choosing a dragon as a mate for your breeding attempt, you have two options now: breed and preview progeny lineage. If you choose preview progeny lineage, you can then either choose to proceed with breeding or to choose a different mate or - if TJ is so inclined to code it, to abort breeding.

 

 

This would not give you any warning about inbreeding unless you check for it manually - which, in many cases, will be easy to spot as you'd be about to breed closely related dragons or dragons that are inbred in the first place. (It's obviously your own responsibility to somehow mark your inbreds, or know their names by heart or whatever.) It would also help with accidentally clicking the terribly inbred 25th gen black instead of the CB black you wanted to mate your (holiday?) dragon to. However, it does not imply that inbreeding is wrong. If you want to create a beautiful inbred lineage, and you use the preview feature, you'll just see your beautiful inbred lineage as some sort of confirmation that you got the correct mate.

^ This is a good suggestion.

 

 

I very strongly disagree on the thread suggestion, however. This amount of padding and precautionary hubbub is not only unnecessary but also extremely cumbersome and adds bandwidth to one of the most-used functions of the entire game. No, I don't even want the option to turn it on and off. I don't want it period. Too many on/off switches is itself a major problem. It leads to decision fatigue, which is Very Bad. Too much choice and people tend to go NOPE and leave everything on default. And then they have trouble finding the option to turn off something they run into later that they happen to hate, because the settings screen is a wall of text.

 

If you breed the wrong pair by mistake and they pop an unwanted egg, kill it and take your 24-hour penalty, 7-day cooldowns and fortnight of shell shame like a responsible adult. You made the mistake. You have to take the consequences. This isn't like when we had multiclutches and a misclick could have netted you something you couldn't even negate by killing.

 

Honestly if I was the admin I wouldn't have implemented confirmation screens at all. Users are people capable of independent thought, they don't need to have their hands held like sheltered infants. When it comes to games there's nothing I hate more than having the game itself treat me like I'm stupid.

 

I hate excessive handholding more than I hate Zubats.

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I'm also not a fan of having to confirm every action. I find that if I have to confirm a lot, confirming itself becomes an automatic action, which means it's worth nothing because if I misclicked I will most likely confirm anyway because it's not something I think about anymore.

 

I do like Olympe's suggestion, though. By having the two options there it means people who don't want extra clicks can still perform the action just like they used to and people who feel the need for some confirmation can go to the preview first to make sure if what they are going to do is actually what they intended to do, with the added bonus of being a nice tool to look at what the offspring's lineage is going to look like (for whatever reason).

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Absolute no.

Keeping track and monitoring your dragons' family trees is part of the game, and making it "easier" is just ruining the game ._.

No, no no no, NO, no no, NO NO NO.

No.

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I'm actually glad that breeding does NOT have to be verified by password. I find it annoying to type always your password in.

 

No for me.

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