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> Make Neglecteds capable of breeding, Like frills, out-of-season holidays
lightningsky
Posted: May 12 2012, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (DarkVioletCloud @ May 12 2012, 11:59 AM)
I think that the GoNs should be a legendary prize to show your efforts of forever summoning, hoping to see the mysterious egg in your cave. (Like you have to hike through the Whirl Islands with your Kanto Bird trio to find Lugia. Catching the legendary is a reward for your efforts of beating all 16 gyms in Johto and Kanto. I'm such a Pokemon nerd.)

you don't need the bird trio in the games to capture lugia; in silver version you can go to the whirl islands when you receive the silver wing (in soulsilver the clear bell also), likewise in gold. in gold though, you receive the silver wing from some man in pewter town, but you don't need all 16 badges. the summoning thing on DC came from the movie 2000...

ANYWAYS, my opinion...neglecteds shouldn't breed; i believe they are too weak and their bad health has rendered them sterile.

for GoNs, i see no problem letting them breed...one can argue the 'god' & 'mortal' thing, but honestly then they should be difficult to breed with other dragons. like more refusals/no egg thing. like turps.

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Posted: May 12 2012, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE (fuzzbucket @ May 12 2012, 07:24 PM)
But they could only ever be in the first gen, so it wouldn't be THAT pretty....

(Yes I know my breeding with gods history, but still. No from me, just the same. Not that I HAVE one - see sig sad.gif)

Well, not really.

You could breed, say for example, CB Gold Male x GoN GoN, you produce a gold egg after a few tries. Next, you can breed that egg with your other GoN, thats a 2nd gen staircase. You could then, say, trade that egg to someone and they will continue the staircase. This type of thing is done with limited holidays, and yes, even if I could only make a 2nd gen, I'd still think it's beautiful. happy.gif
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Posted: May 12 2012, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE (fuzzbucket @ May 12 2012, 12:54 PM)
For what it's worth - not mine. What would be the point ?

Also it feels a bit like trying to breed with some supernatural being, in a way. They are too special for all that stuff.

What's the point of doing anything on DC? To have fun, of course! wink.gif

Yes, for even-generation lineages they'd only ever be able to be in the first generation of lineages, but--so can frills and old pinks nowadays, and that hasn't stopped people from making some very pretty lineages with them.

And as Drawin' has pointed out, staircases would allow them to be used in quite long lineages. :3

As for the supernatural thing, I've pointed out the places where certain breeds already defy logic in their breeding patterns, and other people have pointed out how some celestial beings are fond of flirtin' with mortals, so I still don't think that's a good enough reason to prevent them from breeding.

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Posted: May 12 2012, 01:35 PM
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Oooh, this would make some amazing lineages. Support!
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Posted: May 12 2012, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (Fiona BlueFire @ May 12 2012, 07:53 PM)
Actually, GoN are rather like the "gods" of the dragon world. So, gods don't breed with mortals, right?


... *thinks about Zeus. And most of the rest of the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses... and the Norse gods... and...* um. Well, so anyway, that's the thinking behind them not breeding. Because they're gods.

As for ND's I think the thinking is that they're too weak, and too bad tempered.

I'm not actually opposed to this idea. In fact, I was pretty disappointed that GoN can't breed like out-of-season holiday dragons. Just saying what I know of the thinking behind the way it is now.

Hehe, that's what I always think when I hear "they don't breed because they're god-like". The other thing I've been told is "they don't breed because they're like legendary pokemon", which always reminds me of Manaphy and Zoroark...

Unfortunately, however, the creator of the GoN is against them breeding, so that's not going to happen. And, knowing TJ, he won't agree to make NDs breedable, either. sad.gif

(Although an even-gen checker with neglecteds and something else might be pretty interesting to create, for the die-hard ND fans. For, even if you cannot breed neglected eggs, you could neglect the egg of an ND in the hope of turning it into another ND.)
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Posted: May 12 2012, 02:10 PM
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I support this, it would be really good to see lineages with them. But I do agree with the godly-like problem with a GoN, so perhaps refusals could be quite high with them? And with NDs, the chance of fail quite high? I doubt TJ would allow breeding them though, unfortunately.
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Posted: May 12 2012, 03:23 PM
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I'm rather indifferent about GoNs, but I'd love for NDs to be breedable.

QUOTE (olympe @ May 12 2012, 11:53 AM)
(Although an even-gen checker with neglecteds and something else might be pretty interesting to create, for the die-hard ND fans. For, even if you cannot breed neglected eggs, you could neglect the egg of an ND in the hope of turning it into another ND.)


This is exactly what I'd want to do with them. The challenge of it would be awesome and, like many lineage projects, certainly a good way to keep people connected with the site.

As for them being weak or sick, those two things don't actually preclude breeding. Weak/sick people and animals do have children. But I could see the breeding rate being set very, very rare because of their condition.

Although I can also understand the reasoning that we did actually neglect a dragon and make them weak for life - we got a cool dragon out of it but, really, how much should we be rewarded for something that, from an in-game perspective, isn't ridiculously nice...or even nice at all. lol
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Posted: May 12 2012, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (dragonpuck @ May 12 2012, 01:58 PM)
actually, the "gods" did breed with mortals or we wouldn't have Perseus or Hercules-

Well, that was the point of referencing Zeus, et al. They did have offspring with mortal women. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

Komodo Gallant's vision of them was as "gods" of the dragon world, and as such in her thinking, they would not be breedable. While many of us would be in favor of them being able to breed, I don't know if TJ would be willing to change that.
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Posted: May 12 2012, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE (DarkVioletCloud @ May 12 2012, 01:59 PM)
I don't like this that much, for either dragon. (And not because I don't have either of them! xd.png)
Since the GoN is based off of the Pokemon Lugia, and it can't breed (In the games. Curse you, horrible anime, defying the game rules.), I think that the GoNs should be a legendary prize to show your efforts of forever summoning, hoping to see the mysterious egg in your cave. (Like you have to hike through the Whirl Islands with your Kanto Bird trio to find Lugia. Catching the legendary is a reward for your efforts of beating all 16 gyms in Johto and Kanto. I'm such a Pokemon nerd.)
As for the NDs... I saw someone bring up a good point that they would be too weak to breed. And what would happen with the unknown gender? Not being able to breed?

Then why do Trios breed if they were based off Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno?
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Posted: May 12 2012, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (Fiona BlueFire @ May 13 2012, 03:53 AM)
Actually, GoN are rather like the "gods" of the dragon world. So, gods don't breed with mortals, right?


... *thinks about Zeus. And most of the rest of the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses... and the Norse gods... and...* um. Well, so anyway, that's the thinking behind them not breeding. Because they're gods.

I think the moment I read "gods don't breed with mortals", I immediately began my pathetic ancient Roman/Greek love fueled protest in my head. xD

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As for my stance... though I think it would be really awesome in lineages (marrow x ND? ;o;), I'd still say no. Going by the description of the NDs, I always assumed they were infertile or something because they didn't develop properly while in their egg. The taboo against speaking about ND experiment details here also makes me think. Is it in place because TJ doesn't want to support active experiments that could endanger the lives of our eggs (correct me if I'm wrong)? In that case, if breeding of NDs was implemented, couldn't that increase the likelihood of people experimenting on their eggs?

Actually, the more I read the arguments against GoNs breeding, the more I want it purely because of the whole god/mortal relationship thing. xD To stay consistent though, I'll dismiss my support because I'm only interested in it for a really silly reason. :p As for the whole "we worked hard for GoNs" argument - while it can take ages to get one, it's not like we really invested much effort into it anyway. Every two weeks, press a button and put in your password. That's about the extent of the "work" we went to. :P
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Posted: May 12 2012, 06:58 PM
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Like olympe said, the GoN creator said no to breeding, so unless she comes back and nixes that, GoNs breeding is out.

I don't really want NDs to breed. Kind of takes away from the special-ness of me. This is a dragon anyone can get with some experimentation. They're not like frills or BPs where people can only get them in lineages now. So, while they may make some cool lineages, I'm against it. ^^
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Posted: May 12 2012, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (SockPuppet Strangler @ May 13 2012, 01:58 AM)
Like olympe said, the GoN creator said no to breeding, so unless she comes back and nixes that, GoNs breeding is out.

I don't really want NDs to breed. Kind of takes away from the special-ness of me. This is a dragon anyone can get with some experimentation. They're not like frills or BPs where people can only get them in lineages now. So, while they may make some cool lineages, I'm against it. ^^

That`s exactly what I think, I don`t like it if NDs would breed, I like to see special dragons in the cave.
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Posted: May 12 2012, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE (Varekis @ May 12 2012, 06:55 PM)
As for my stance... though I think it would be really awesome in lineages (marrow x ND? ;o;), I'd still say no. Going by the description of the NDs, I always assumed they were infertile or something because they didn't develop properly while in their egg. The taboo against speaking about ND experiment details here also makes me think. Is it in place because TJ doesn't want to support active experiments that could endanger the lives of our eggs (correct me if I'm wrong)? In that case, if breeding of NDs was implemented, couldn't that increase the likelihood of people experimenting on their eggs?

If TJ didn't want people experimenting to make neglecteds, I think he'd have not let there be neglecteds. tongue.gif

Originally talking about creating neglecteds was banned from the forums because people weren't supposed to say what breeds different eggs were, to preserve the excitement for new players. That rule fell apart a long time ago, and the methods to create neglecteds were briefly allowed to be discussed again. However--a lot of dumb people were suggesting people break the game's rules in order to create neglecteds (such as by creating multiple scrolls), and the mods had to close the threads so often that eventually people were again banned from discussing neglected creation theories and strategies on the forum.

However, while telling people how to create them isn't allowed, creating them sure is--so encouraging neglected lineages would be fine. wink.gif
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Posted: May 12 2012, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (fuzzbucket @ May 12 2012, 02:24 PM)
But they could only ever be in the first gen, so it wouldn't be THAT pretty....

*cough* stairstep *cough*
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Posted: May 14 2012, 01:17 AM
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As I said, even if neglecteds don't breed true (which I support), it's possible to create checkerboard and other lineages with them. All you have to do is to neglect the egg your ND gave you and be lucky.
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Posted: May 14 2012, 01:51 AM
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I really wish people would stop asking for nonbreedable dragons to become breedable. They are rare and special to those who have them because they're not as easy to get as breedables.

That said, from the game side of things (rather than the player side of things), it doesn't make any sense for a dragon with no hope of survival outside the care of the person who found them to be able to breed with more healthy, powerful and dangerous specimens. Ever heard of Osteogenesis imperfecta ('glass bone syndrome', basically)? Imagine a creature with weak bones trying to mate with something that doesn't have that problem.
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Posted: May 14 2012, 02:03 AM
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@Mremaknu (since I can't quote due to lag)

I think one reason why people would like them breedable is so they are more easily obtainable which in a way I do support. It is one of the two dragons I do not have. I tried to experiment once and it failed. Now with the neglected chat being banned and the IRC doesn't have it anymore I have no help or any clue as to how to get one through experimenting.
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Posted: May 14 2012, 02:06 AM
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I kind of think they shouldn't be breedable because I always thought of neglecteds as being hostile and disobedient toward their owners, so they seem unlikely to obey a breed command.

"They are usually rebellious, not obeying their masters, sometimes even attacking them"

Doesn't really sound like a dragon that is going to breed with a dragon that you tell it to breed to :/.
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Yes but even that doesn't mean they wont willingly on there own.
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Well, if the Neglecteds would only produce Eggs of the other kind, then I'd agree to this idea =3
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